which tank bag?

[PauL M. Bober]

At the last benefit ride that the dealership sponsored, I was the only Jap bike. I've taught almost 40 Rider's Edge classes and a boatload of MSF classes. People were talking to me prior to the ride. As the bikes left the parking lot, I had a clear space of a couple of hundred feet between me and the other bikes in the ride. Does make my pretty A9 stand out. Just so I fit in, I put a few extra spacers in my Supercrapp. It was loud as heck. I still couldn't hear my KLR over the 'rumble' of the open piped HDs. Lucky for me I have earplugs. PauL M. Bober -----Original Message----- From: ron criswell [mailto:ron.criswell@...] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:00 AM To: PauL M. Bober Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ I'd like to see a KLR rally at that Harley dealership. Hundreds of dirty, muddy KLR's with all their homemade accessories in the parking lot screwing up sales of those .......... ah .......... cult machines. Criswell KLR (the antiHarley) "PauL M. Bober" wrote:

> I teach for Rider's Edge, the Harley Davidson Rider Course. I parked my A9 > outside the Harley / Buell dealership in the bike parking area. When I

came

> out after teaching on a Sat. afternoon, my KLR was on it's side (the side > stand side) and there is a foot print / heel kick mark in the fuel tank.

The

> gauges were damaged, the 10" windshield was damaged and the handlebars

were

> bent from the fall onto the concrete. > > None of the damage prevented me from riding it home. I registered a > complaint with the storeowner. I was told sorry, but bikes do fall over. I > still teach there, at the dealership, as I need the money. I did pay or

the

> repairs myself as it was below my deductible. I don't bring my KLR to

that

> dealership to teach anymore. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: cdnabn49 [mailto:cdnabn49@...] > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:42 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > true... had it vandalized at work... then had an incident and > smashed my gauges right off the bike, then this... man if i didn't > have bad luck i'd have no luck at all! > > ~cdnabn49~ > > "Keith Saltzer" wrote: > I'm sorry to hear your bad luck story. I can feel your pain in your > post. I'm afraid to say that I would probably be in jail right now > if I were in your shoes. (emotions running amuck, watching a moron > do moron things, costing me alot of non-riding days) > When you do get it fixed, consider how I think, and what I do. > > I go to the mall, I park next to the friggin front door. I go to my > in-laws or friends, it's on the front lawn, or in the shade beside > the house. I go out to eat, it's on the side walk, or parked right > on the other side of the window where I will be sitting down > eating, > watching it almost every second. > > It's narrow, got a big 21 inch front wheel to roll over almost > anything, light for a bike, dual purpose tires, and lots of > suspension travel. It will go there, so I put it there, where cars > can't, or won't go. Out of the way, out of sight sometimes, and > away from swinging doors, backing up cars, kids touching it, drunks > falling into it and just plain further away from idiots and morons. > Yes, something could still happen to it, but it's a whole lot less > likely. > > MrMoose > A8 (Barbie and Ken special) > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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[ron criswell]

That I would like to see. I am always arguing with a friend that owns a Low Rider about the benefits of owning a KLR over a Hog or any other 500 lb plus machine. He claims any motorcycle will go where any KLR will go. People have ridden all over the world on all sorts of bikes according to him. They probably have. I try to tell him all bikes have limitations but a KLR is very versatile. Frustrated by his not listening, I then tell him to take one of his 500 to 600 to 700 lb sleds through 10 miles of of mud or deep gravel or deep sand and then ride a bike more suited for it (preferably a real dirt bike but a KLR will do) and then imagine doing that same ride for 400 miles. I just wish he would try and ride that Low Rider in mud with street tires ........... alone. Criswell Thomas J Komjathy wrote:

> They get pissy about other bikes, damage them and run. Cowards! Wonder how > they would feel about getting their asses kicked by a bunch of KLR riders. > Just for icing on the cake we could run their H-Ds into a mud pit. > > TK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ron criswell" > To: "PauL M. Bober" > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > > I'd like to see a KLR rally at that Harley dealership. Hundreds of dirty, > muddy KLR's with all their homemade accessories in the > > parking lot screwing up sales of those .......... ah .......... cult > machines. > > > > Criswell > > KLR (the antiHarley) > > > > "PauL M. Bober" wrote: > > > > > I teach for Rider's Edge, the Harley Davidson Rider Course. I parked my > A9 > > > outside the Harley / Buell dealership in the bike parking area. When I > came

[Cal Armstrong]

Having run across a Harley rider on Rte 24 (WY) just before it turns into Rte 34 (SD) I can vouch that a Harley (or at least the rider) does not fare well on poor roads. They had torn the pavement up to the dirt and it had rained the night before. For 10 miles, it was rutted mud. There was a sign on the Wyoming side warning motorcyclists to find another route, but I knew my KLR. I meandered my way through it and came across him about halfway along ... he was cursing and asked (wow, a Harley rider spoke to me!) how much further. There was no warning sign on the SD side. He had, of course, washed & shone his bike for his trip through Sturgis but any resemblance to a beautiful bike had passed and it had taken him a long time to lug himself and the bike through the mud to reach the midpoint. I laughed, told him another few miles, wished him well, spun around him and continued on my way, and my memory of his predicament keeps me smiling whenever I wave and get ignored Karma. Gotta love it. Cal.

>From: ron criswell >Reply-To: ron.criswell@... >To: Thomas J Komjathy >CC: "PauL M. Bober" , DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ >Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:23:25 -0500 > >That I would like to see. I am always arguing with a friend that owns a Low >Rider about the benefits of owning a KLR over a Hog or any other 500 lb >plus >machine. He claims any motorcycle will go where any KLR will go. People >have >ridden all over the world on all sorts of bikes according to him. They >probably >have. I try to tell him all bikes have limitations but a KLR is very >versatile. >Frustrated by his not listening, I then tell him to take one of his 500 to >600 >to 700 lb sleds through 10 miles of of mud or deep gravel or deep sand and >then >ride a bike more suited for it (preferably a real dirt bike but a KLR will >do) >and then imagine doing that same ride for 400 miles. I just wish he would >try >and ride that Low Rider in mud with street tires ........... alone. > >Criswell >

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[cosmoboj]

I thought this article would be fitting, it's a little syrupy though...cosmo http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/motorcyclist.html --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober" wrote:

> I show up for the riding portion of my Rider's Edge class on my

trusty KLR.

> I also teach the "Experienced Rider " classes for MSF. The

students that

> took my Rider's Edge classes mingle with the students than have

taken the

> MSF classes I teach. Seems as though, they discover my KLR does

things the

> big V-Twins can't. It is funny; they respect me when they are in

classes or

> by themselves. In a group, they don't even acknowledge me. Oh well

look at

> it like this. My daughter loves me and that is all that matters. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Herr [mailto:doug@w...] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:39 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, PauL M. Bober wrote: > > > I teach for Rider's Edge, the Harley Davidson Rider Course. I

parked my A9

> > outside the Harley / Buell dealership in the bike parking area.

When I

> came > > out after teaching on a Sat. afternoon, my KLR was on it's side

(the side

> > stand side) and there is a foot print / heel kick mark in the

fuel tank.

> The > > gauges were damaged, the 10" windshield was damaged and the

handlebars

> were > > bent from the fall onto the concrete. > > > > None of the damage prevented me from riding it home. I

registered a

> > complaint with the storeowner. I was told sorry, but bikes do

fall over. I

> > still teach there, at the dealership, as I need the money. I did

pay or

> the > > repairs myself as it was below my deductible. I don't bring my

KLR to

> that > > dealership to teach anymore. > > I hope find a way to let you students know that you ride things > other then Harley's, so that they can know that their teacher, > somebody with something they should listen to, somebody that they > should look up to... you get the point. > > Makes you want to kick over a Harley. > > -- > Doug Herr > doug@w... > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List

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[dumbazz650]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober" wrote:

> At the last benefit ride that the dealership sponsored, I was the

only Jap

> bike. I've taught almost 40 Rider's Edge classes and a boatload of

MSF

> classes. People were talking to me prior to the ride. As the bikes

left the

> parking lot, I had a clear space of a couple of hundred feet

between me and

> the other bikes in the ride. Does make my pretty A9 stand out.

That's why some puking bastard kicked the bike over. Such envy is almost pity-able... MarkB A3, A9

[xs650@dejazzd.com]

Reading your posts reaffirms why I DON'T ride a Harley. The attitude of a lot of these posers is just sickening. Worse, is the attitudes of the wannabes and their rice burner/rice grinder remarks. I was at a party recently, and put a couple of these brand nazis in their place. Neither had a bike to ride..... As far as I'm concerned, most Harleys aren't fit to ride. Bar hopping isn't my idea of riding, and the big $$ choppers that you see are even worse in that regard. I prefer a bike that is comfortable and nimble with adequate power. Harley doesn't make one! Eric in Pa

> > From: "PauL M. Bober" > Date: 2003/09/01 Mon PM 12:23:19 EDT > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > I was mostly disappointed with the response of the dealership owners. I have > learned that not owning a Harley / Buell / clone does put you lower on the > food chain, in some Harley owners' eyes. But a true biker would appreciate > the fact that you just own a bike. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: cosmoboj [mailto:cosmo_bojinski@...] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:36 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > Probably the only reason that the guy could kick that high was the > fact that he is obviously hung like a hamster. Sorry to hear that > anything like this could occur-at a bike dealership of all places > ...cosmo > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober" > wrote: > > I teach for Rider's Edge, the Harley Davidson Rider Course. I > parked my A9 > > outside the Harley / Buell dealership in the bike parking area. > When I came > > out after teaching on a Sat. afternoon, my KLR was on it's side > (the side > > stand side) and there is a foot print / heel kick mark in the fuel > tank. The > > gauges were damaged, the 10" windshield was damaged and the > handlebars were > > bent from the fall onto the concrete. > > > > None of the damage prevented me from riding it home. I registered > a > > complaint with the storeowner. I was told sorry, but bikes do fall > over. I > > still teach there, at the dealership, as I need the money. I did > pay or the > > repairs myself as it was below my deductible. I don't bring my > KLR to that > > dealership to teach anymore. > > > > PauL M. Bober > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cdnabn49 [mailto:cdnabn49@y...] > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:42 PM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > > > true... had it vandalized at work... then had an incident and > > smashed my gauges right off the bike, then this... man if i didn't > > have bad luck i'd have no luck at all! > > > > ~cdnabn49~ > > > > > > > > "Keith Saltzer" wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear your bad luck story. I can feel your pain in > your > > post. I'm afraid to say that I would probably be in jail right now > > if I were in your shoes. (emotions running amuck, watching a moron > > do moron things, costing me alot of non-riding days) > > When you do get it fixed, consider how I think, and what I do. > > > > I go to the mall, I park next to the friggin front door. I go to > my > > in-laws or friends, it's on the front lawn, or in the shade beside > > the house. I go out to eat, it's on the side walk, or parked right > > on the other side of the window where I will be sitting down > > eating, > > watching it almost every second. > > > > It's narrow, got a big 21 inch front wheel to roll over almost > > anything, light for a bike, dual purpose tires, and lots of > > suspension travel. It will go there, so I put it there, where cars > > can't, or won't go. Out of the way, out of sight sometimes, and > > away from swinging doors, backing up cars, kids touching it, drunks > > falling into it and just plain further away from idiots and morons. > > Yes, something could still happen to it, but it's a whole lot less > > likely. > > > > MrMoose > > A8 (Barbie and Ken special) > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List > FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[xs650@dejazzd.com]

The exploits of Harley riders were written up in their publication "The Enthusiast" back in the late 60s and at least until the mid 70s. I read stories of world travelers and those riding to/from Patagonia on Electra Glides and such. I'm sure the same was true of even earlier Harleys and Indians in the 30s through 50s. Keep in mind, these were motivated, enthusiastic riders, not today's posers. Take a Road King ANYWHERE a KLR would go? No flippin' way!! A beginner rider would take a KLR places where an expert Harley rider could only dream of going. I wouldn't even want to wrestle with the Big BMW GS, let alone something made for street only. He's talking out his a$$. Eric in Pa

> > From: ron criswell > Date: 2003/09/01 Mon PM 01:23:25 EDT > To: Thomas J Komjathy > CC: "PauL M. Bober" , DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > That I would like to see. I am always arguing with a friend that owns a Low > Rider about the benefits of owning a KLR over a Hog or any other 500 lb plus > machine. He claims any motorcycle will go where any KLR will go. People have > ridden all over the world on all sorts of bikes according to him. They probably > have. I try to tell him all bikes have limitations but a KLR is very versatile. > Frustrated by his not listening, I then tell him to take one of his 500 to 600 > to 700 lb sleds through 10 miles of of mud or deep gravel or deep sand and then > ride a bike more suited for it (preferably a real dirt bike but a KLR will do) > and then imagine doing that same ride for 400 miles. I just wish he would try > and ride that Low Rider in mud with street tires ........... alone. > > Criswell > > Thomas J Komjathy wrote: > > > They get pissy about other bikes, damage them and run. Cowards! Wonder how > > they would feel about getting their asses kicked by a bunch of KLR riders. > > Just for icing on the cake we could run their H-Ds into a mud pit. > > > > TK > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ron criswell" > > To: "PauL M. Bober" > > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > > > > I'd like to see a KLR rally at that Harley dealership. Hundreds of dirty, > > muddy KLR's with all their homemade accessories in the > > > parking lot screwing up sales of those .......... ah .......... cult > > machines. > > > > > > Criswell > > > KLR (the antiHarley) > > > > > > "PauL M. Bober" wrote: > > > > > > > I teach for Rider's Edge, the Harley Davidson Rider Course. I parked my > > A9 > > > > outside the Harley / Buell dealership in the bike parking area. When I > > came > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Take a Road King ANYWHERE a KLR would go? No flippin' way!! A beginner rider would take a KLR places where an expert Harley rider could only dream of going. I wouldn't even want to wrestle with the Big BMW GS, let alone something made for street only. He's talking out his a$$. > Well said.

[Arden Kysely]

Sounds like you need to take your buddy on a little "tour" of the Texas backcountry. Don't forget the sandy stretches! __Arden --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, ron criswell wrote:

> That I would like to see. I am always arguing with a friend that

owns a Low

> Rider about the benefits of owning a KLR over a Hog or any other

500 lb plus

> machine. He claims any motorcycle will go where any KLR will go.

People have

> ridden all over the world on all sorts of bikes according to him.

They probably

> have. I try to tell him all bikes have limitations but a KLR is

very versatile.

> Frustrated by his not listening, I then tell him to take one of his

500 to 600

> to 700 lb sleds through 10 miles of of mud or deep gravel or deep

sand and then

> ride a bike more suited for it (preferably a real dirt bike but a

KLR will do)

> and then imagine doing that same ride for 400 miles. I just wish he

would try

> and ride that Low Rider in mud with street tires ........... alone. > > Criswell > > Thomas J Komjathy wrote: > > > They get pissy about other bikes, damage them and run. Cowards!

Wonder how

> > they would feel about getting their asses kicked by a bunch of

KLR riders.

> > Just for icing on the cake we could run their H-Ds into a mud pit. > > > > TK > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ron criswell" > > To: "PauL M. Bober" > > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: bad luck~ > > > > > I'd like to see a KLR rally at that Harley dealership. Hundreds

of dirty,

> > muddy KLR's with all their homemade accessories in the > > > parking lot screwing up sales of those .......... ah ..........

cult

> > machines. > > > > > > Criswell > > > KLR (the antiHarley) > > > > > > "PauL M. Bober" wrote: > > > > > > > I teach for Rider's Edge, the Harley Davidson Rider Course. I

parked my

> > A9 > > > > outside the Harley / Buell dealership in the bike parking

area. When I

> > came

[Joe]

Wolfman Explorer! I had the Kawasaki "attempt" at a tank bag, believe me, the difference is night and day! Joe in Kansas --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "kcuf_oohay_666" wrote:

> I had both the Wolfman Explorer and the Dual Star bag. The dual

star

> is worth the extra $25, easy. It has a rubber bottom that if you > spill gas on your tank, it wont soak into your bag. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, ktmh53@a... wrote: > > Which Tank Bag? > > > > Dual-Star -$175 > > Wolfman- $150 > > Marsee- $135 > > RKA -don't think it will fit?- $150 > > > > > > > > Kurt Thomas > > Virginia Beach, VA > > KLR650-A10 > >