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Zachariah Mully
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Post by Zachariah Mully » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:16 am

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 22:17, thomas kelsey wrote:
> The same thing happened to me in July- '02 KLR with > 2063 miles. I posted my complaint here and didn't get > much support from the group. Since then, a bolt has > come out of the faring area with no adverse > consequence- I just saw that it was missing. Later, a > couple of weeks ago, both nuts/bolts that hold on the > left side radiator shroud came out at speed so the > shroud, held only by the screw at the top/front, was > flapping madly.
Be happy. Both of my brother's highway pegs fell off on his HD when I took it for a test ride. $60 right there. If you're not carrying a couple of zip-ties or spare bolts and nuts on you, then you should. Those were the first bolts that I lost on my KLR (only took about 50 miles), and fixed it with zip-ties, problem solved.
> To be honest with you, I'm sick of this & > complained to KawiUS and my dealer to no avail. I > believe the bike should come from the factory fully > lock washered, lock-tited, wired, cotter pinned, > whatever, so that it does not fall apart. There was > another poster, Mark, from Calif, who also reported > that his muffler on a new KLR had fallen off on one of > their freeways. He was not able to retrieve it as you > & I did- $400, he says.
I could see you being pissed about having a new engine blow up, like another lister reported happening twice to him, but to get pissed about $0.20 worth of screws on the fairing is a bit ridiculous. Perhap we have different definitions of "fall apart" but I certainely don't consider losing two fairing bolts falling apart.
> I'm going to PAY a private shop, after riding > season is over, to go over the bike from front to > back, lock up all fasteners, document everything, and > take Kawi & the dealer to small claims court for the > expense of putting the bike into the conditon it > should have been in from the factory.
Good, you're doing your local shop a great favor, their mechanics will be happy to add another sap to their list. Instead put some tunes on, have a brewsky and spend 15 mins locktiting every fastener you can see.
> Unlike a lot of guys on this list, I have no > interest in the zen of motorcycle mechanics and did > not intend to buy a maintenance project- I just > want/demand a bike on which I can turn the key and > ride away without things falling off of it. > What do you think? >
I think you should sell your KLR and buy a Toyota Camry. BTW, what exactly did you think you were buying? A car? For an illustration of a single's vibration, cut the top and bottom off a 1 lb. coffee can. This is about the diameter and stroke of the KLR's piston (yeah, it's not, but it's the closest I could come). Now insert your fist into the can and pump it up and down 5000 times a minute without moving the can. Can you? You can't because your fist is connected to your body which is connected to the can, one can't move without inducing some sort of vibration or movement in the rest of the system. Cars get around this with hydraulic engine mounts to isolate and dampen the vibrations. Go look at your KLR, in specific, look at the frame tube directly behind your front wheel. See the two triangular engine mount plates rigidly fixed to the frame? The other two sets of engine mounts are the same, rigid... Therefore vibration from the motor is transferred into the frame and anything fastened to it. I have lost bolts that have been locktit'ed, but on a big single, it's a fact of life. As Jim said, if you want maintenance free, get a V-four Honda, or an inline Jap 4, and then dutifully take it in every 3000 miles for service. IMO that's not maintenance free, that's expensive. Z DC

Dave Sumner
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Post by Dave Sumner » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:22 am

I think you are being a little hard on the guy. Not everyone likes to put on tunes and work on a bike. It vibrates, deal with it; but not everyone enjoys it. Give him the same lattitude you have, to do what you want, and pay for the services you don't want to do yourself. --- Zachariah Mully wrote:
> Good, you're doing your local shop a great favor, their mechanics will > be happy to add another sap to their list. Instead put some tunes on, > have a brewsky and spend 15 mins locktiting every fastener you can see. >
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Riley
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Post by Riley » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:22 am

People who can pump their fist up and down 5000 times a minute don't ride bikes. They already have a hobby. Riley A15 Montreal Zachariah Mully wrote:
> For an illustration of a single's vibration, cut the top and bottom off > a 1 lb. coffee can. This is about the diameter and stroke of the KLR's > piston (yeah, it's not, but it's the closest I could come). Now insert > your fist into the can and pump it up and down 5000 times a minute > without moving the can. Can you?

Trev
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Post by Trev » Tue Sep 10, 2002 10:47 am

I agree with Tom, there are certain things you shouldn't have to worry about vibration or not, kawi knows they vibrate, they should be set up to handle it without parts falling off. I can handle screws falling out of plastic it isn't a big deal to me they don't affect me going down the road, what bothers me is that there is a chance that instead of my muffler falling off to the side like it did after hitting the tire it could have gotten stuck in between the tire and the frame and locked up the rear wheel (or the spokes in the wheel) and sent me flying. That I think is more than just bolts falling out, if any other vehicle (no matter how many wheels it has) had that kind of danger the manufacturer would do something about it (we've had this discussion about the doohickey same kind of danger). I understand that it is my responsibility to maintain my bike, but It is also my responsibility to maintain my other vehicles, they vibrate too, but I don't crawl under them every hundred miles to make sure all the bolts are tight, the manufacturer makes sure that they wont fall out due to vibrations from the engine or the road. I can understand what Tom is saying, and I agree with the rest of the list that you do need to check out your bike, I do however think that you should be able to ride more than 5K miles without the muffler falling off of it. I don't expect kawi to do anything about it, I love my KLR, I just feel like complaining and wish kawi knew how to tighten down bolts. Trev A16
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Dave Sumner wrote: > I think you are being a little hard on the guy. Not everyone likes to put > on tunes and work on a bike. It vibrates, deal with it; but not everyone > enjoys it. Give him the same lattitude you have, to do what you want, and > pay for the services you don't want to do yourself. > > --- Zachariah Mully wrote: > > Good, you're doing your local shop a great favor, their mechanics will > > be happy to add another sap to their list. Instead put some tunes on, > > have a brewsky and spend 15 mins locktiting every fastener you can see. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute

RM
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Post by RM » Tue Sep 10, 2002 11:32 am

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, judjonzz wrote:
>fall off is in its nature. So if you don't want to get involved with it, >you should be riding something else, or perhaps not riding at all.
He does have a point, though. Why can't KHI use lockwashers and/or chemical threadlock on these things?

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Tue Sep 10, 2002 12:29 pm

> People who can pump their fist up and down 5000 times a minute don't > ride bikes. They already have a hobby. > > > Riley > A15 > Montreal >
Ha ha !!! good point. As they say, for sex you need a good partner or a good backhand. Bogdan

thomas kelsey
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Post by thomas kelsey » Tue Sep 10, 2002 5:15 pm

________________________________________________________________ I got a fair amount of flaming from my complaint about parts falling off. Has the vibration I keep hearing about gone to everyone's head? (I don't think my bike vibrates that much anyway, - it's certainly not objectionable and I enjoy the KLR a lot and have no plans to jettison it).Surely you guys don't disagree that it would be appropriate to have a lockwasher on the rear muffler bolt? Have you instaled one on your own bike? If not, you should.....and WHY is it unreasonable to have expected Kawasaki to have done so? Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:47:06 -0000 From: "Trev" Subject: Re: KLR parts falling off I agree with Tom, there are certain things you shouldn't have to worry about vibration or not, kawi knows they vibrate, they should be set up to handle it without parts falling off. I can handle screws falling out of plastic it isn't a big deal to me they don't affect me going down the road, what bothers me is that there is a chance that instead of my muffler falling off to the side like it did after hitting the tire it could have gotten stuck in between the tire and the frame and locked up the rear wheel (or the spokes in the wheel) and sent me flying. That I think is more than just bolts falling out, if any other vehicle (no matter how many wheels it has) had that kind of danger the manufacturer would do something about it (we've had this discussion about the doohickey same kind of danger). I understand that it is my responsibility to maintain my bike, but It is also my responsibility to maintain my other vehicles, they vibrate too, but I don't crawl under them every hundred miles to make sure all the bolts are tight, the manufacturer makes sure that they wont fall out due to vibrations from the engine or the road. I can understand what Tom is saying, and I agree with the rest of the list that you do need to check out your bike, I do however think that you should be able to ride more than 5K miles without the muffler falling off of it. I don't expect kawi to do anything about it, I love my KLR, I just feel like complaining and wish kawi knew how to tighten down bolts. Trev A16 --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Dave Sumner wrote:
> I think you are being a
little hard on the guy. Not everyone likes to put
> on tunes and work on a bike.
It vibrates, deal with it; but not everyone
> enjoys it. Give him the
same lattitude you have, to do what you want, and
> pay for the services you
don't want to do yourself.
> > --- Zachariah Mully
wrote:
> > Good, you're doing your
local shop a great favor, their mechanics will
> > be happy to add another
sap to their list. Instead put some tunes on,
> > have a brewsky and spend
15 mins locktiting every fastener you can see. ===== Tom Kelsey hts1190@... 860-688-1190 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute

Devon Jarvis
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Post by Devon Jarvis » Tue Sep 10, 2002 5:30 pm

Well, a lot of people are pretty particular about maintainance, to the point where bad experiences have led them to never let a dealer mechanic touch their bike. I'm almost one of these people, there are mechanics I trust but they're too far away or too expensive. Yes, Kawasaki has been making this bike long enough, and dealers have been assembling them long enough, that they should simply know better, you're right. But it's still people working for close to minimum wage in both places, and they don't necessarily have a lot of experience. That's an explanation, not an excuse. So even though the factory or assembler should have done it, but a couple tubes of blue loctite, keep them in the tool compartment (or duct tapes to the inside of the fairing, whatever works for you). Any time something comes loose, put loctite on it and retighten it. It shouldn't come loose again. Spend a couple hours going over the bike from front to back one time, that's one Saturday morning, to loctite all the fasteners you can get your hands on. Next time the bike is cold, before you start it, grab stuff like the muffler, headpipe, heat shields, shrouds etc and try to wiggle them. You'll see what's loose. If you have a dealer nearby who has racing experience, have them drill and lockwire troublesome bolts. Devon thomas kelsey wrote:
> > ________________________________________________________________ > I got a fair amount of flaming from my complaint about > parts falling off. Has the vibration I keep hearing > about gone to everyone's head? (I don't think my bike > vibrates that much anyway, - it's certainly not > objectionable and I enjoy the KLR a lot and have no > plans to jettison it).Surely you guys don't disagree > that it would be appropriate to have a lockwasher on > the rear muffler bolt? Have you instaled one on your > own bike? If not, you should.....and WHY is it > unreasonable to have expected

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Tue Sep 10, 2002 6:33 pm

> loctite all the fasteners > you can get your hands on. >
I'm pretty vigilant but not perfect as to keeping watch on the bike's fasteners. There are some places however, that are simply too much of a pain in the ass to get to. How many of you have checked the bolts and screws inside the instrument case ? Needless to say I never did until.....the face on my speedometer turned on an angle and a vibrating type noise started to resonate from around the case at certain RPMs. I postponed it longer then I should but finally about a week ago I took things apart and looked in there. Two bolts ( I now know ) pass through the housing that's inside the case. The hold the speedometer mechanism in place. They were gone. Don't know what a new speedo costs but based on the prices of other klr parts I bet it's not cheap. I'm lucky that during the time I was riding the bike with the mechanism not secure and trashing around audibly I didn't KO it. Found the small bolts at Ace and now all is fine. I did apply loctite blue even though I'm nervous about using it around plastic. Want to be truly anal about fastener maintenance factitious klr owner ? Check the inside of the instrument case. Bogdan

Riley
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Post by Riley » Wed Sep 11, 2002 10:09 am

All the bolts on my KLR are so rusty they never come loose anymore. Kawasaki should just use "pre rusted" bolts. As for the flaming, don't sweat it. Every bike has it's weak points and the KLR has less than most. Most problems that you hear about on the KLR are rare as well. When I got my second one I decided to force myself to do all maintenance myself. Partly because I'm getting cheap as I age and also because I wanted to be able to fix it on the road. With the resources available on the web for the KLR, especially this list, I've been doing all right. It has even given me the courage to start doing all the maintenance on my other bikes except for tires. Riley A15 thomas kelsey wrote:
> ________________________________________________________________ > I got a fair amount of flaming from my complaint about > parts falling off. Has the vibration I keep hearing > about gone to everyone's head? (I don't think my bike > vibrates that much anyway, - it's certainly not > objectionable and I enjoy the KLR a lot and have no > plans to jettison it).Surely you guys don't disagree > that it would be appropriate to have a lockwasher on > the rear muffler bolt? Have you instaled one on your > own bike? If not, you should.....and WHY is it > unreasonable to have expected Kawasaki to have done > so? > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 >

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