corbin seat.

[judjonzz]

> > > thomas kelsey wrote: > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > I got a fair amount of flaming from my complaint about > > parts falling off. Has the vibration I keep hearing > > about gone to everyone's head? (I don't think my bike > > vibrates that much anyway, - it's certainly not > > objectionable and I enjoy the KLR a lot and have no > > plans to jettison it).Surely you guys don't disagree > > that it would be appropriate to have a lockwasher on > > the rear muffler bolt? Have you instaled one on your > > own bike? If not, you should.....and WHY is it > > unreasonable to have expected Kawasaki to have done > > so? > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 > >

It's not unreasonable to have expected KHI to install a lockwasher;it's just as reasonable to expect them to leave it out. It's fine to be able to allocate blame in case something dire happens, but if you know that parts on a motorbike, any motorbike, can come loose, or that the factory or dealer is prone to error or oversight, why not just take care of it yourself, enjoy the ride, and avoid trouble. I'd rather take a few minutes ahead of time to check stuff over, and tighten where necessary, than sit around in a wheelchair after my muffler falls off and locks the rear wheel, and try to figure out who is at fault.

[Trev]

> It's not unreasonable to have expected KHI to install a > lockwasher;it's just as reasonable to expect them to leave it out. > > It's fine to be able to allocate blame in case something dire

happens,

> but if you know that parts on a motorbike, any motorbike, can come > loose, or that the factory or dealer is prone to error or

oversight,

> why not just take care of it yourself, enjoy the ride, and avoid > trouble. I'd rather take a few minutes ahead of time to check > stuff over, and tighten where necessary, than sit around in a > wheelchair after my muffler falls off and locks the rear wheel, and > try to figure out who is at fault.

So what if you don't know? I don't want to claim ignorance on my part, but if I had any idea that there was even a slight chance that my muffler would fall off I would have checked the bolts, I understood from the beginning that the screws in plastic would probably back out over time, I think there is a warning in the manual that fasteners may back out, however it mentions nothing about which ones, I assumed (yeah I know assumption is the mother of all F*** ups) that anything vital to the saftey or running of the bike would be secured somehow (like the cotter pins through the axle nuts). Maybe Kawi doesn't think that the muffler falling off is vital to the safety of the bike. This is my first motorcycle and I had no idea that checking the muffler bolts would be a part of regular maintanence. If anything I thought the exhaust system would be the last thing to ever come off because the bolts always get rusted on, I've never been able to pull any part of an exhaust system off of a car with out it being a major pain in the ass to get the bolts undone. So you can only check the things that you know may be a problem, if you have to check the bike every 100 miles to make sure nothing is going to fall off so be it, but at least tell me that I have to, if it weren't for this list all I would have is an owners manual to tell me where all the controls are and when I should change the oil, so how would I know. Lawnmowers vibrate a lot more than a KLR, but you don't see blades flying off and killing people because the bolt wasn't tight do ya? Because its fairly obvious that a blade spining around could be dangerous if it fell off, you don't normally think of a muffler as a saftey issue. I will check my muffler before every ride now, because I know (and it only takes a second to kick it), but what about all of those other KLR (or other motorcycle) riders out there who might not know and might not be as lucky as me when their muffler falls off? Trev A16

[thomas kelsey]

Would you agree that there's a difference between checking tightness and having to ADD PARTS such as lockwashers or lock-tite? It KHI had put the bike together correctly in the first place, with ALL necessary locking mechanisms, we wouldn't be having this "discussion." Assembly of a vibrating machine without making it, so far as possible, vibration proof, is clear malfeasance. Those who defend such practice have a few loose screws too. It's ablsolutley NOT reasonable to expect KHI to omit lockwashers. I've been on this list since March or so, and mine is the third muffler reported to have fallen off- who knows how many have not been reported. The attachment bolts are pretty well hidden, by the way, behind the shroud. Actually, I was going to let it go (ignore it as too much trouble to follow up on) because I recovered and reinstalled the muffler. However, when additional stuff started coming loose, I got pissed. By the way, I don't think I even mentioned that in March, on the way home from purchasing my brand new KLR, the speedometer cable unscrewed (vibrated loose) from the head. Was that my fault for not having checked all the fittings for tightness at the dealership before I even rode the bike home? Come on guys, lets get real. Sure, it's a great bike- lots of fun, but it needs factory applied vibration protection. -Tired of being flamed- thomas kelsey wrote:

> > >

________________________________________________________________

> > I got a fair amount of

flaming from my complaint about

> > parts falling off. Has the

vibration I keep hearing

> > about gone to everyone's

head? (I don't think my bike

> > vibrates that much anyway,

- it's certainly not

> > objectionable and I enjoy

the KLR a lot and have no

> > plans to jettison

it).Surely you guys don't disagree

> > that it would be

appropriate to have a lockwasher on

> > the rear muffler bolt?

Have you instaled one on your

> > own bike? If not, you

should.....and WHY is it

> > unreasonable to have

expected Kawasaki to have done

> > so? > >

Message: 5

> >

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002

> >

It's not unreasonable to have expected KHI to install a lockwasher;it's just as reasonable to expect them to leave it out. It's fine to be able to allocate blame in case something dire happens, but if you know that parts on a motorbike, any motorbike, can come loose, or that the factory or dealer is prone to error or oversight, why not just take care of it yourself, enjoy the ride, and avoid trouble. I'd rather take a few minutes ahead of time to check stuff over, and tighten where necessary, than sit around in a wheelchair after my muffler falls off and locks the rear wheel, and try to figure out who is at fault. ===== Tom Kelsey hts1190@... 860-688-1190 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute

[Lujo Bauer]

Come to think of it, does anyone know whether the muffler is attached by the dealer or at the factory? To what degree are bikes typically assembled at the factory, anyway? -Lujo

> Would you agree that there's a difference between > checking tightness and having to ADD PARTS such as > lockwashers or lock-tite? It KHI had put the bike > together correctly in the first place, with ALL > necessary locking mechanisms, we wouldn't be having > this "discussion." Assembly of a vibrating machine > without making it, so far as possible, vibration > proof, is clear malfeasance. Those who defend such > practice have a few loose screws too. It's ablsolutley > NOT reasonable to expect KHI to omit lockwashers. I've > been on this list since March or so, and mine is the > third muffler reported to have fallen off- who knows > how many have not been reported. The attachment bolts > are pretty well hidden, by the way, behind the shroud. > Actually, I was going to let it go (ignore it as too > much trouble to follow up on) because I recovered and > reinstalled the muffler. However, when additional > stuff started coming loose, I got pissed. By the way, > I don't think I even mentioned that in March, on the > way home from purchasing my brand new KLR, the > speedometer cable unscrewed (vibrated loose) from the > head. Was that my fault for not having checked all the > fittings for tightness at the dealership before I even > rode the bike home? Come on guys, lets get real. Sure, > it's a great bike- lots of fun, but it needs factory > applied vibration protection. > -Tired of being flamed-

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[judjonzz]

Tom, I'm not flaming you, and if you read my posts, you'll see that I'm not defending the factory either. My point is, it doesn't matter what the factory should have done, you want to ride the motorcycle. Whether it's roadworthy on any given day is largely under your control. I've had all kinds of parts fall off of all kinds of motorbikes, including my KLR, but nothing yet that I couldn't have prevented if I'd paid attention. I'n some cases the manufacturer may have been to blame, but I'm not going to waste the energy going there. FWIW, it looks as if KHI was liberal in the application of red locktite when they assembled my bike: I've found it in all kinds of places that I don't think the previous owner had occasion to be. A couple of times I've bought OEM replacement hardware that came with threadlock already applied to the threads, so I don't think you can say that KHI has been altogether cavalier on this point. Anyway, you'll enjoy your motorcycle a lot more if you just assume a certain level of incompetence that will inevitably crop up somewhere in the production chain. Accept it, deal with it, and have fun riding a bike that you know is put together right because you did it yourself.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., thomas kelsey wrote: > > Would you agree that there's a difference between > checking tightness and having to ADD PARTS such as > lockwashers or lock-tite? It KHI had put the bike > together correctly in the first place, with ALL > necessary locking mechanisms, we wouldn't be having > this "discussion." Assembly of a vibrating machine > without making it, so far as possible, vibration > proof, is clear malfeasance. Those who defend such > practice have a few loose screws too. It's ablsolutley > NOT reasonable to expect KHI to omit lockwashers. I've > been on this list since March or so, and mine is the > third muffler reported to have fallen off- who knows > how many have not been reported. The attachment bolts > are pretty well hidden, by the way, behind the shroud. > Actually, I was going to let it go (ignore it as too > much trouble to follow up on) because I recovered and > reinstalled the muffler. However, when additional > stuff started coming loose, I got pissed. By the way, > I don't think I even mentioned that in March, on the > way home from purchasing my brand new KLR, the > speedometer cable unscrewed (vibrated loose) from the > head. Was that my fault for not having checked all the > fittings for tightness at the dealership before I even > rode the bike home? Come on guys, lets get real. Sure, > it's a great bike- lots of fun, but it needs factory > applied vibration protection. > -Tired of being flamed- > > > thomas kelsey wrote: > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ______________ > > > I got a fair amount of > flaming from my complaint about > > > parts falling off. Has the > vibration I keep hearing > > > about gone to everyone's > head? (I don't think my bike > > > vibrates that much anyway, > - it's certainly not > > > objectionable and I enjoy > the KLR a lot and have no > > > plans to jettison > it).Surely you guys don't disagree > > > that it would be > appropriate to have a lockwasher on > > > the rear muffler bolt? > Have you instaled one on your > > > own bike? If not, you > should.....and WHY is it > > > unreasonable to have > expected Kawasaki to have done > > > so? > > > > Message: 5 > > > > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 > > > > > It's not unreasonable to have > expected KHI to install a > lockwasher;it's just as > reasonable to expect them to leave it out. > > It's fine to be able to > allocate blame in case something dire happens, > but if you know that parts on > a motorbike, any motorbike, can come > loose, or that the factory or > dealer is prone to error or oversight, > why not just take care of it > yourself, enjoy the ride, and avoid > trouble. I'd rather take a few > minutes ahead of time to check > stuff over, and tighten where > necessary, than sit around in a > wheelchair after my muffler > falls off and locks the rear wheel, and > try to figure out who is at > fault. > > > > > ===== > Tom Kelsey > hts1190@y... > 860-688-1190 > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute

[judjonzz]

Avery, In your Yahoo ID, is "truck" singular or plural? Trying to figure out if that's a sobriquet or a statement of fact.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "truckscum" wrote: > I had a lot of messages regarding the seat for sale. > > I am in the middle of changing the lowering links to 3/4" and need to > hold onto the seat until They arrive so I can decide which heights are > good.Sorry about the mix-up .If I am happier with the stock seat > height I will re-advertise it. > > Thanks for your mail. > > Truckscum.