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[Russell Scott]

Anybody who blames Bush and not 8 years of Clinton for 9/11 is totally ignorant of the facts. Personally, I think this country was asking for 9/11, after 8 years of having a pathological liar, sex addict, and criminal mobster as our "president". I forgave the American people the first time they elected him, but the second time was inexcusable. Now I am not a huge fan of Bush, but the man was in office less than 8 months. The blame lies squarely on Louie Freeh, Janet Reno, and most importantly BILL CLINTON, who was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter by the Sudanese government in 1996, and Clinton said no. Because criminals protect criminals, and draft dodging gutless wimps are draft dodging gutless wimps. Russell

----- Original Message ----- From: "Conall O'Brien" To: ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] I voted for Bush, but... > Based on Bush's charts, I predict he'll be gone in 3 months. What a dumb > shit. > > > >From: "skyflyer80" > >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [DSN_klr650] I voted for Bush, but... > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:21:21 -0000 > > > >this is too much. Political diatribe asside, we must learn the > >truth, no matter how scary and sad it might be... > > > >_______________________________ > > > >THE LIE WON'T STAND > > > >Bush Administration Explanations for Pre-9-11 Warnings Fail the Smell > >Test > > > >Warnings Received From Heads of State, Allied Intelligence Services > >Specifically Warned of Suicide Attacks by Hijackers > > > >Insider Trading Also Clearly Warned of Attacks > > > >by Michael C. Ruppert > > > >[Copyright 2002, From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. > >All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an > >Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.] > > > >May 16, 2002, 19:00 PDT (FTW) -- Never in the history of scandals > >involving the United States government has an attempt to conceal > >criminal conduct by an administration been more transparently > >dishonest or more easily exposed. On May 15 White House Press > >Secretary Ari Fleischer -- while making the startling admission that > >President Bush received CIA and FBI intelligence briefings in August > >indicating Osama bin Laden might be planning hijackings -- told major > >news sources including CBS News, "All appropriate action was taken > >based on the threat information we had," Fleischer said. "The > >president did not -- not -- receive information about the use of > >airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers." > > > >In other statements Fleischer told the press, "The president was also > >provided information about bin Laden wanting to engage in hijacking > >in the traditional pre-9-11 sense, not for the use of suicide > >bombing, not for the use of an airplane as a missile." According to a > >May 16 story by the New York Times, "Mr. Fleischer said the > >information given to the president in Texas [last August], had > >prompted the administration to put law enforcement agencies on alert." > > > >Every major position taken by an administration in full retreat and > >on the defensive can be easily deconstructed and shown to be false. > > > > > >For more than seven months FTW has been documenting specific warnings > >received by the U.S. government from both foreign intelligence > >services and, in one case, from Russian President Vladimir Putin, > >indicating commercial airliners were going to be used by terrorists > >to attack -- among other things -- the World Trade Center in the week > >of Sept. 9. In order for Fleischer's statement to be credible he > >would have to assert then that George W. Bush either ignored or was > >not informed of a direct warning from a head of state and also from > >the German intelligence service, the BND. > > > >As reported in the German daily Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung (FAZ) > >on Sept. 14, the BND warned both the CIA and Israel in June that > >Middle Eastern terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial > >aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American > >and Israeli culture." The story specifically referred to an > >electronic eavesdropping system known as Echelon, wherein a number of > >countries tap cell phone and electronic communications in partner > >countries and then pool the information. The BND warnings were also > >passed to the United Kingdom. > > > >No known denial by the BND of the accuracy of this story exists, and > >the FAZ report indicates the information was received directly from > >BND sources. > > > >According to a Sept. 14 report in the Internet newswire online.ie, > >German police, monitoring the phone calls of a jailed Iranian man, > >learned the man was telephoning U.S. intelligence agencies last > >summer to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the > >week of Sept. 9. German officials confirmed the calls to the U.S. > >government for the story but refused to discuss additional details. > > > >According to a story in Izvestia on Sept. 12, Russian intelligence > >warned the U.S. last summer that as many as 25 suicide pilots were > >training for suicide missions involving the crashing of airliners > >into important targets. > > > >In an MSNBC interview on Sept. 15, Russian President Putin stated he > >had ordered Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the > >strongest possible terms" of imminent assaults on airports and > >government buildings before the attacks on Sept. 11. No credible > >information has emerged from any source indicating that Putin omitted > >the above information when issuing the warning. > > > >Many other direct warnings were received by the U.S. government and > >have been documented in FTW's 9-11 timeline located at: > >http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html. > > > >These stories give the immediate lie to Fleischer's statements that > >Bush had no inkling of airliners being used as weapons. > > > >But there is more. > > > >In 1996 -- as reported by the German paper Die Welt on Dec. 6, and by > >Agence France Presse on Dec. 7 -- Western intelligence services, > >including the CIA, learned after arrests in the Philippines that Al > >Qaeda operatives had planned to crash commercial airliners into the > >Twin Towers. Details of the plan, as reported by a number of American > >press outlets, were found on a computer seized during the arrests. > >The plan was called "Operation Bojinka." Details of the plot were > >disclosed publicly in 1997 in the New York trial of Ramsi Youssef for > >his involvement in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. > > > >FBI MEMOS TRIGGER WHITE HOUSE BACKSTEPPING > > > >In "traditional" hijackings the hijackers have no need or desire to > >learn how to fly. > > > >As reported by the New York Times, CNN and the Washington Post (among > >others) the events leading to Fleischer's statements were the recent > >disclosure of FBI memoranda originated by field agents in Arizona and > >Minnesota that warned of a possible hijack attempt by bin Laden's > >followers. In both cases the suspects were taking flight lessons. > > > >According to Newsweek and the New York Times, FBI agents in Phoenix > >submitted a classified memorandum in July naming Osama bin Laden and > >tracking the activities of possible Middle Eastern terrorist suspects > >who had enrolled in local flight schools. The memo, according to the > >Times, stated bin Laden's followers "could use the schools to train > >for terror operations." The information in the Phoenix memo was not > >shared with FBI field agents in Minnesota who had uncovered other > >startling evidence. > > > >Just days before the attacks in early-September, FBI agents in > >Minnesota wrote notes that subsequently became included in an > >internal FBI document warning that accused terrorist Zacarias > >Moussaoui "might be planning on flying something into the World Trade > >Center." A story from the May 20 issue of Newsweek by Michael Isikoff > >described how a local flight instructor had reported Moussaoui had > >"showed a suspicious interest in learning how to steer [and not land] > >large airliners. The [FBI] agents were 'in a frenzy, absolutely > >convinced he was planning to so something with a plane.'" > > > >A multitude of sources have reported the FBI agents requested a > >warrant to search Moussaoui's personal computer but were denied by > >Attorney General John Ashcroft's Justice Department. After the 9-11 > >attacks the computer was seized and found to contain information > >directly related to the World Trade Center attacks. > > > >This apparent lack of support from within the administration is > >consistent with reports released last fall by the BBC's Gregg Palast > >showing that in January 2001 the Bush Administration had issued > >direct orders to the FBI to curtail investigations of two of Osama > >bin Laden's relatives, Omar and Abdullah bin Laden. The two bin > >Ladens had been connected to possible terrorist activities and were > >living in Falls Church, Va., near CIA headquarters. > > > >APPROPRIATE WARNINGS? > > > >Fleischer's statement that adequate warnings had been given to > >appropriate federal agencies falls flat on its face. Two of the most > >"appropriate" agencies would have been the Federal Aviation > >Administration (FAA) and the U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard. > > > >As documented by researchers like Jared Israel at www.tenc.net, it > >has been standard FAA procedure for more than 25 years to scramble > >U.S. fighters to intercept -- not shoot down -- any errant or non- > >responsive aircraft under FAA control. This protocol is even more > >stringent in the case of a hijacking. Yet, Vice President **** Cheney > >and others have stated publicly there were no fighters available in > >some cases, and there was no heightened state of alert on Sept. 11. > >For 50 minutes on 9-11, in direct contravention of established > >policy, no fighters were scrambled to intercept two outstanding > >hijacked airliners even though it was known attacks were in progress. > > > >Given the above information, it would have been an obvious move to > >have placed fighter aircraft on a heightened state of alert in this > >time period. This unresponsiveness stands in contrast to the fact > >that, in October 1999 at a time when there was no heightened alert, > >the ill-fated Lear Jet occupied by golfer Payne Stewart had an F-16 > >fighter and an A-10 attack aircraft flying beside it within minutes > >of losing radio contact and veering off course. > > > >INSIDER TRADING > > > >FTW has spent months on this important story that proves > >foreknowledge of the attacks by people who also profited from them. > >This was a glaring warning signal, since such trades ran the risk of > >being detected by intelligence agencies that routinely monitor all > >market activity in real time. > > > >The insider trading involves the placement of large numbers of "put" > >options on stocks of companies directly affected by the Sept. 11 > >attacks. They include United Air Lines, American Air Lines, Morgan > >Stanley, Merrill Lynch, AXA Reinsurance, Munich Reinsurance and Swiss > >Reinsurance. Put options are a leveraged bet that a stock's price > >will fall dramatically. > > > >As CBS news noted on Sept. 26, the peak of trading activity occurred > >just before the attacks. There was a jump in United Air Line's put > >options 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between Sept. 6 and > >Sept.10, and 285 times higher than average on Sept. 6. Numbers for > >other affected stocks were equally alarming. It is uncontested that > >only United and American stocks had this level of put buying before > >the attacks. No other airlines were affected. > > > >A May 13 story by the Washington Times' Insight Magazine attempted to > >explain the insider trading by stating higher numbers of put options > >had been placed on United and American stocks earlier in 2001. By > >relying only on the numbers of put options, Insight asserted that > >there was nothing unusual about the pre-9-11 trades. > > > >However, FTW has contacted several experienced traders and reviewed > >existing documentation from financial experts, which indicate the > >alarm for insider trading is to look for any "imbalance" between the > >level of put options (a bet that a stock's price will fall) and the > >level of call options (a bet that a stock's price will rise). It is a > >significant imbalance in puts vs. calls that indicates criminal > >insider trading. The Insight piece did not address this point. > > > >Several traders have stated that in a fairly flat market with high > >trading volumes, it has been a routine procedure for experienced > >traders to place roughly equal numbers of puts and calls on various > >stocks in order to generate a paper cash flow. They were quick to > >point out that by September, the market had gone into sharp decline > >and trading volumes were way down. Thus, lower numbers of put options > >did not mean that everything was normal. They stressed it was the > >imbalance in put-to-call ratios that signaled the insider trading. > >[Ed. Note: FTW has undertaken a more detailed investigation of this > >trading activity and hopes to have a more comprehensive report within > >4-6 weeks]. > > > >Part of the problem in Insight's research stems from the fact that > >since Sept. 11, there has been no transparency from either the > >government or the financial sector on how the trades worked or how > >the markets tracked them. Secrecy is everywhere. Telephone calls have > >not been returned, and the government refuses to divulge any > >information about probes it admits are still ongoing. But simplistic > >dismissals from sources quoted in the Insight story contradict not > >only other evidence, but statements made by financial experts and > >major news sources just after the attacks. > > > >"This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, > >most evil use you've ever seen in your entire life. This would be one > >of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if > >it was a coincidence," said Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg Business News, > >interviewed Sept. 20 on Good Morning Texas. > > > >"'I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of > >following the markets, particularly the options markets,' said John > >Kinnucan, principal of Broadband Research, as quoted in the San > >Francisco Chronicle," reported the Montreal Gazette on Sept. 19. > > > >To quote 60 Minutes from Sept. 19, "Sources tell CBS News that the > >afternoon before the attack, alarm bells were sounding over unusual > >trading in the U.S. stock options market." > > > >Assertions that the reported number of puts involved were not > >abnormal also failed to analyze highly intricate shell games that > >involve the movement of put options to markets outside the U.S. or > >hidden in what traders refer to as "net positions." Serious financial > >experts have indicated the profits from insider trading could have > >been in the billions. Andreas von Bulow, a former member of the > >German parliament responsible for oversight of Germany's intelligence > >services, estimated the worldwide amount at $15 billion, according to > >Tagesspiegel on Jan. 13. Other experts have estimated the amount at > >$12 billion. CBS News gave a conservative estimate of $100 million. > > > >A hasty conclusion reached by many is the insider trades were placed > >by bin Laden and his associates. Such a notion is flatly contradicted > >by the now absolute certainty that such insider trades would have -- > >and apparently did -- set off alarm bells. It makes little sense to > >argue bin Laden et al would have risked compromising at the last > >minute an operation planned in total secrecy for at least four years. > > > >Also lacking credibility is the argument that many of the trades were > >what some brokers described as inconsequential amounts valued at $1 > >million or $2 million. This does not address the possibility that > >U.S. intelligence officials decided in a few cases to make a quick > >profit from attacks they knew were going to succeed. As distasteful > >as it may seem, this explanation is far more credible than an > >assumption that bin Laden made the trades himself and risked the > >exposure of what the world has been led to believe was his life's > >"masterpiece." > > > >For more information on 9-11 insider trading please visit > >http://www.copvcia.com > > > >The explanations offered by the Bush Administration over the last 48 > >hours will not withstand even the slightest scrutiny if a major press > >organization asks any question about the warnings received from > >credible foreign government sources and heads of state. 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[skyflyer80]

I am a patriot. my political loyalty is not so strong that I will ignore the possibility that there may have been intentional wrong-doing/inaction by this admin. I pray to God that there wasn't. I appologize for posting this "bullshit" here. adios.

[RM]

On Sun, 19 May 2002, ryanwow2000 wrote:

>> They DO hit the bag. >Damn... I literally pressed the online 'order' button for a wolfman bag >10 seconds before reading this post :0! Still could call and cancel of >course... Is the bag practically obtrusive or just mildly annoying?

The Renthal Desert/High bend is longer than the stock bar and is more likely to make contact. I don't really feel that it's a problem unless you overstuff the little side pouches. I don't regret my purchase of the Wolfman Explorer. RM