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[dreastman]

I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack of air pressure. Any help and or comments appreciated. Thanks, ~Dennis~ A15 Concord, NC

[Devon Jarvis]

NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is properly seated in the first place. Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the rim and the bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a lot lower. I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also bounce the tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes. Devon A15 dreastman wrote:

> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the > bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked > like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I > let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never > really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it > come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had > all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack > of air pressure. > > Any help and or comments appreciated. > > Thanks, > > ~Dennis~ A15 > Concord, NC > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[toddklr]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dreastman" wrote:

> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but

I

> couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the > bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked > like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time

I

> let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never > really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32

and

> installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it > come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I

had

> all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the

lack

> of air pressure. > > Any help and or comments appreciated. > > Thanks, > > ~Dennis~ A15 > Concord, NC

i had the same problem when i mounted my kenda .i pumped it to about 80 lbs. and beat on the tire with a rubber mallet a few times and it seated. todd

[Dennis R. Eastman]

How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of the tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old quickly... Thanks, ~Dennis~ -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jarvis [mailto:jarvisd@...] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 AM To: dreastman; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Bead won't seat NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is properly seated in the first place. Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the rim and the bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a lot lower. I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also bounce the tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes. Devon A15 dreastman wrote:

> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the bead > and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked like it > was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I let the > air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never really > seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it come > unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had all > that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack of air > pressure. > > Any help and or comments appreciated. > > Thanks, > > ~Dennis~ A15 > Concord, NC > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[mokan710]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dreastman" wrote:

> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the > bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked > like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place.

-SNIP- Dennis- I wouldn't worry too much about hearing the 'POP'. Most often you will hear a tire seat, but every once in awhile a tire will seat without making a distinct sound. I've seen some tires silently 'creep' onto the rim and establish a good bead. Also, you can usually tell when a tire is seated on a rim just by looking at it. If it's uniform on both sides, all the way around, then you're probably okay. The suspect area of an unseated tire is fairly easy to distinguish in comparison to the rest of the tire. Regarding riding on an unseated tire... I've seen folks get their tires seated that way, but remember to take it slow and check it frequently (especially if it's a front tire). Hope this helps... "Mokan"

[mokan710]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dennis R. Eastman" wrote:

> How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of

the

> tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old

quickly...

> > Thanks, > > ~Dennis~

Ummmm, the plot thickens. I should have asked about this before writing my previous response. When I mount tires I consider a trip to a gas station a matter of course. Use of a compressor with the quick increase in PSI will help your cause immensely. When using a compressor I've never needed to go beyond 45 PSI to set a bead. This is why a lot of guys (like me) take CO2 cartridges & an inflator with them on the trail. Quick influxes of pressure to set that damn bead. Oh, and it saves on the elbow grease too... Good luck! "Mokan"

[Lujo Bauer]

I was in exactly the same position a month or two ago... first tire, K270 3.00, bicycle pump and all. Even tried riding it around a little but that didn't help. I followed somebody's suggestion of using liquid dish soap (without water) and just waited for a while with maybe 40 psi in the tire -- seated smoothly and without fuss. -Lujo

> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the > bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked > like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I > let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never > really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it > come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had > all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack > of air pressure. > > Any help and or comments appreciated. > > Thanks, > > ~Dennis~ A15 > Concord, NC

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[tomklr]

Dennis, One other thing regarding seating a tire - I think most all tires have a very small ring of rubber that should be uniformly visible a fraction of a inch away from the rim once the tire is seated. Another thing is, you don't want to deflate the tire to make sure it is seated properly, just simply reduce the air pressure to what you want to run it at. When you examine your tire to see if it has seated and find a section that has not, take the tire and bounce that side of the tire against the pavement, this will sometime encourage it to seat too. A BF rubber mallet could do the trick too. Use a compressor or you'll have a stroke with all that pumping... Save your pumping for other things. Good Luck! Tom '01 A15

[dooden]

Go to a gas station and drop a quarter in a air pump. Hand Pump ? Oh my... Air it, bounce it, beat it straight down with a heavy rubber mallet ect ect.. Do not ride without it seated please. Just my $.01 worth Duden

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dennis R. Eastman" wrote: > How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of the > tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old quickly... > > Thanks, > > ~Dennis~ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Devon Jarvis [mailto:jarvisd@e...] > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 AM > To: dreastman; DSN_klr650@y... > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Bead won't seat > > > NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is properly > seated in the first place. > > Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the rim and the > bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a lot lower. > I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also bounce the > tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes. > > Devon > A15 > > dreastman wrote: > > > I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my > > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I > > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the bead > > and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked like it > > was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I let the > > air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never really > > seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and > > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this > > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it come > > unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had all > > that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack of air > > pressure. > > > > Any help and or comments appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > ~Dennis~ A15 > > Concord, NC > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Be part of the Adventure! > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@y... > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@y... > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@y... > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[dooden]

Afterthought.. Doubt this will help on a narrow m/c tire, but the ATV types might get some use out of it. Wrap a rope around the tire(middle of tread), add a stick to twist to compress the center in tire inwards, this will typically cause the bead to twist a bit and assists popping into place. This might require the addition of a third hand to assist holding. Wal-Mart sells a small compressor with mini tank, would be great for this, could set compressor to any desired psi within its pressure switch limits. bout $100 or so, or get the small CO2 type, for the tool kit, think I have seen them listed under $30, CO2 carts are easy to carry and avail. just about any town with a Wal-Mart. Again just my $.02 Duden

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dooden" wrote: > Go to a gas station and drop a quarter in a air pump. > > Hand Pump ? Oh my... Air it, bounce it, beat it straight down with > a heavy rubber mallet ect ect.. > > Do not ride without it seated please. > > Just my $.01 worth > > Duden > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dennis R. Eastman" wrote: > > How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of > the > > tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old > quickly... > > > > Thanks, > > > > ~Dennis~ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Devon Jarvis [mailto:jarvisd@e...] > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 AM > > To: dreastman; DSN_klr650@y... > > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Bead won't seat > > > > > > NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is > properly > > seated in the first place. > > > > Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the > rim and the > > bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a > lot lower. > > I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also > bounce the > > tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes. > > > > Devon > > A15 > > > > dreastman wrote: > > > > > I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is > my > > > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly > but I > > > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the > bead > > > and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked like > it > > > was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I let > the > > > air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never really > > > seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and > > > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this > > > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it > come > > > unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had > all > > > that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack > of air > > > pressure. > > > > > > Any help and or comments appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > ~Dennis~ A15 > > > Concord, NC > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > Be part of the Adventure! > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@y... > > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@y... > > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@y... > > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@y... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/