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[gtx]

Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive sprocket) Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil. one very f~#ked off KLR owner. Gary ps if no one can help the bike gets it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ralph E. Hanson]

>Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive sprocket) >Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil. >one very f~#ked off KLR owner. >Gary >

Mine has a very slight leak that only drips when the bike has been riden under hot conditions for at least an hour. So far it hasn't dripped enough to require that I add oil. I might get it fixed when I have something else done, but I might not. Gives the bike character. BTW, if you didn't watch the Brainerd superbike race today live on Speedvision you missed an absolutely fab race. It reruns at 10 p.m. Eastern tonight. Don't miss it if you have even a remote interest in superbike racing. Ralph Ralph Hanson 1999 KLR 650 rhanson40@... http://www.wvu.edu/~journal2/west

[Ted Palmer]

Gary wrote:

> Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive sprocket) > Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil.

[...] What about the O-ring behind the collar? Mister_T

[Eric Knight Holbrook]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Ted Palmer wrote:

> Gary wrote: > > > Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive

sprocket)

> > Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil. > [...] > > What about the O-ring behind the collar? > > Mister_T

Yeah, what I thought was chain oil on the underside of the bike this past weekend from overspraying, I'm afraid is mild oil leak from somewhere. It's not major and it's not getting on the rear tired but it's a pain in ass. About every 400 miles I'm noticing myself having to put in about 3/4 of a quart of oil. I have been riding it hard. The past 600 miles or so I've been averging about 85-90mph on the highways at about 55000 RPM and I'm while all the temps are low and the coolant is fine and the bike "seems" fine I'm wondering if I'm killing this bike only 4,000 miles into it's lifespan. Unfortunately, 80mph (indicated) on our highways around here is about "average" speed. Going slower I get stuck in the backdraft of all the cars in the slow lane, going faster appears to be killing the bike

[gtx]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Palmer" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] f##king oil leak > Gary wrote: > > > Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive sprocket) > > Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil. > [...] > > What about the O-ring behind the collar? > > Mister_T > yeah i guess i should have replaced that as well,the oil just seems to puke out of the seal against itself and the casing, the center of the seal onto the output shaft is OK, Today i stripped out the seal and collar [again] and cleaned the inside lip of the crankcase with meths (resisted drinking it) then carefully applied silicone sealent around the case ,then inserted collar & seal and added a small smear of silicone round the outside edge of the oil seal & crankcase, going to leave for 24 hours before probably pulling the last remaining clumps of hair out! Gary and his amazingly slippery KLR PS IF THIS DONT FIX IT , THERES ALWAYS THE METHS > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Zachariah Mully]

Gary- Dunno if you've checked for spline wear, but isn't the leading cause of hair-loss, I mean, oil leaking from the CS an over tightened chain? I would think this would be visible on the CS splines if that were the case... Hopefully it isn't as a CS replacement is very very pricey (I think that you have to split the cases). If you've got a pre 1993, I would seriously recommend a Jake Jakeman Sprocket Retainer and Shim set... My 1991 KLR with 9k miles has visible wear on the CS splines!!! So this was a good upgrade for me, especially considering that the teeth on the OEM retainer were about 75% gone. Jake charges $20-25 for the kit I think (I don't have his price list handy), check out a picture of the kit at http://zaphod.smartbrief.com/pics/csretainerkitcomplete.JPG and http://zaphod.smartbrief.com/pics/csretainercloseupsmall.JPG ... my old retainer can be seen at http://zaphod.smartbrief.com/pics/stockcsretainersmall.JPG and as you can see, it was at the end of its usefulness. I HIGHLY recommend this kit for ANY pre 1993 KLR. Don't leave home without it ------------------ Zack Banana Republic of Washington, DC KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa 125 COG #4664

> > Mister_T > > yeah i guess i should have replaced that as well,the oil > just seems to > puke out of the seal against itself and the casing, the > center of the seal > onto the output shaft is OK, > Today i stripped out the seal and collar [again] and cleaned > the inside lip > of the crankcase with meths (resisted drinking it) then > carefully applied > silicone sealent around the case ,then inserted collar & seal > and added a > small smear of silicone round the outside edge of the oil > seal & crankcase, > going to leave for 24 hours before probably pulling the last remaining > clumps of hair out!

[gtx]

Cheers Zack The kit you posted [jake jakeman] looks like the dogs dangly bits, but having talked to an old friend in the trade tonight, I might try his remedie if my earlier attempt with silicone fails, The solution he gave me was araldite rapid for the seal against the crankcase to the outer part of the output shaft oilseal. However knowing my luck and the milage 30k ,the splines are all worn out!. Anyway let you know tommorow the outcome. Cheers Gary

----- Original Message ----- From: "Zachariah Mully" To: "KLR Owners Group" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] f##king oil leak > Gary- > Dunno if you've checked for spline wear, but isn't the leading cause of > hair-loss, I mean, oil leaking from the CS an over tightened chain? I > would think this would be visible on the CS splines if that were the > case... Hopefully it isn't as a CS replacement is very very pricey (I > think that you have to split the cases). > If you've got a pre 1993, I would seriously recommend a Jake Jakeman > Sprocket Retainer and Shim set... My 1991 KLR with 9k miles has visible > wear on the CS splines!!! So this was a good upgrade for me, especially > considering that the teeth on the OEM retainer were about 75% gone. Jake > charges $20-25 for the kit I think (I don't have his price list handy), > check out a picture of the kit at > http://zaphod.smartbrief.com/pics/csretainerkitcomplete.JPG and > http://zaphod.smartbrief.com/pics/csretainercloseupsmall.JPG ... my old > retainer can be seen at > http://zaphod.smartbrief.com/pics/stockcsretainersmall.JPG and as you > can see, it was at the end of its usefulness. I HIGHLY recommend this > kit for ANY pre 1993 KLR. Don't leave home without it > > ------------------ > Zack > Banana Republic of Washington, DC > KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa > 125 > COG #4664 > > > > Mister_T > > > yeah i guess i should have replaced that as well,the oil > > just seems to > > puke out of the seal against itself and the casing, the > > center of the seal > > onto the output shaft is OK, > > Today i stripped out the seal and collar [again] and cleaned > > the inside lip > > of the crankcase with meths (resisted drinking it) then > > carefully applied > > silicone sealent around the case ,then inserted collar & seal > > and added a > > small smear of silicone round the outside edge of the oil > > seal & crankcase, > > going to leave for 24 hours before probably pulling the last remaining > > clumps of hair out! > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Randy.Hoskins@worldnet.att.net]

Eric, Going to and from Moab, I discovered much the same problem. I was leaking oil from behind the drive sprocket. Roaring down the freeway at 85, I was losing about half a quart every tankfull (200 miles.) This was on a bike that had previously gone 3500 hard (bad road) miles without needing any oil. Over the course of the trip, I discovered that if kept the speed down to 75 (indicated) the leak stopped. I came to the conclusion that the bike was telling it didn't mind being run hard, it just didn't like droning down the freeway at high speed. I came to the same conclusion, I don't like droning down the freeway. I think that if I had to spend much time on the road, I would switch to the 16 tooth driven sprocket. For me anyway, that would make the difference between leak and no-leak. A couple of the other people on the list seem to like the bigger sprocket because it reduces vibration at speed. Randy Eric Knight Holbrook wrote:

> > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Ted Palmer wrote: > > Gary wrote: > > > > > Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive > sprocket) > > > Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil. > > [...] > > > > What about the O-ring behind the collar? > > > > Mister_T > > Yeah, what I thought was chain oil on the underside of the bike this > past weekend from overspraying, I'm afraid is mild oil leak from > somewhere. It's not major and it's not getting on the rear tired but > it's a pain in ass. About every 400 miles I'm noticing myself having > to put in about 3/4 of a quart of oil. I have been riding it hard. > The past 600 miles or so I've been averging about 85-90mph on the > highways at about 55000 RPM and I'm while all the temps are low and > the coolant is fine and the bike "seems" fine I'm wondering if I'm > killing this bike only 4,000 miles into it's lifespan. Unfortunately, > 80mph (indicated) on our highways around here is about "average" > speed. Going slower I get stuck in the backdraft of all the cars in > the slow lane, going faster appears to be killing the bike > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Randy.Hoskins@worldnet.att.net]

Gary, Now that you have become an expert in changing the output shaft seal, how big a job is it. I have an leak under fairly limited circumstances (see previous post). If it ever gets worse and I have to replace it, is it a one hour job or an all weekend job? Scoping out the extent of the fix helps me decide how bad it has to be before I fix it. Randy A13 gtx wrote:

> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Palmer" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] f##king oil leak > > > Gary wrote: > > > > > Has anyone had an oil leak out of the output shaft (behind drive > sprocket) > > > Replaced the collar and oil seal and still i am losing oil. > > [...] > > > > What about the O-ring behind the collar? > > > > Mister_T > > yeah i guess i should have replaced that as well,the oil just seems to > puke out of the seal against itself and the casing, the center of the seal > onto the output shaft is OK, > Today i stripped out the seal and collar [again] and cleaned the inside lip > of the crankcase with meths (resisted drinking it) then carefully applied > silicone sealent around the case ,then inserted collar & seal and added a > small smear of silicone round the outside edge of the oil seal & crankcase, > going to leave for 24 hours before probably pulling the last remaining > clumps of hair out! > > Gary and his amazingly slippery KLR > > PS IF THIS DONT FIX IT , THERES ALWAYS THE METHS > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Eric and Rheva Lewis]

Eric, Mister T is right, replace the o-ring behind the collar and you'll see the oil leak disappear. This happened to me and after trying everything else, the o-ring (cheapest fix) was the culprit. Eric Lewis Honolulu, Hi. A8 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]