attn: kurt and arne was nklr

[Stuart Mumford]

I did a test, too. Percentage of people who would waste their time hanging out in DMV parking lots and giving away free Tshirts just so they could post insulting false statistics to the list; 100% Pole Puffers CA Stu -----Original Message----- Over the semester break this past winter, over some Mexican food and a few beers, a colleague in the math department and I came up with an idea for his seniors in a statics class. We were trying to come up with a project for them that would be unusual and exciting enough to motivate them. The result - an IQ test for motorcyclists based on their preferred scoot. I am told it was an incredible undertaking. Numerous trips to the Department of Motor Vehicles here in Tucson, free T shirts to the 1634 participants in the test, reems of paper, etc. Today is the last day of classes here at the UA and yes, we have the results. No offense, my sole ride is a KLR, but here they are. Note: Although the KLR does not really belong in a category by itself like the others, since I helped with the origianl idea, I was able to persuade the math prof to include it. Motorcycle vs. IQ precentile BMW - 99 percentile Italian (Ducati,Guzzis) - 88 percentile Harley not older than 10 years - 81 percentile Japanese sportbike - 72 percentile Japanese cruiser - 63 percentile Harley older than 10 years - 33 percentile KLR - 32 percentile

[jlabate@dakotacom.net]

Stuart, I'll forward your message on to the math prof and his studetns. Who needs them anyway.

> I did a test, too. > Percentage of people who would waste their time hanging out in DMV

parking

> lots and giving away free Tshirts just so they could post insulting

false

> statistics to the list; > > 100% Pole Puffers > > CA Stu > > -----Original Message----- > Over the semester break this past winter, over some Mexican food and a > few beers, a colleague in the math department and I came up with an > idea for his seniors in a statics class. We were trying to come up > with a project for them that would be unusual and exciting enough to > motivate them. The result - an IQ test for motorcyclists based on > their preferred scoot. I am told it was an incredible undertaking. > Numerous trips to the Department of Motor Vehicles here in Tucson, > free T shirts to the 1634 participants in the test, reems of paper, > etc. Today is the last day of classes here at the UA and yes, we have > the results. No offense, my sole ride is a KLR, but here they are. > Note: Although the KLR does not really belong in a category by itself > like the others, since I helped with the origianl idea, I was able to > persuade the math prof to include it. > > Motorcycle vs. IQ precentile > BMW - 99 percentile > Italian (Ducati,Guzzis) - 88 percentile > Harley not older than 10 years - 81 percentile > Japanese sportbike - 72 percentile > Japanese cruiser - 63 percentile > Harley older than 10 years - 33 percentile > KLR - 32 percentile

[S2Mumford@aol.com]

When you do that, ask him what he thinks of the proof of Fermat's last theorem. I reckon I could prove it in less pages, and get it right the first time. I will be happy to do it for an 18 pack of Bud Light and some Rum Crooks. Cheers CA Stu --- In DSN_klr650@y..., jlabate@d... wrote: > Stuart, I'll forward your message on to the math prof and his > studetns. Who needs them anyway. > > > I did a test, too. > > Percentage of people who would waste their time hanging out in DMV > parking > > lots and giving away free Tshirts just so they could post insulting > false > > statistics to the list; > > > > 100% Pole Puffers > > > > CA Stu > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Over the semester break this past winter, over some Mexican food and a > > few beers, a colleague in the math department and I came up with an > > idea for his seniors in a statics class. We were trying to come up > > with a project for them that would be unusual and exciting enough to > > motivate them. The result - an IQ test for motorcyclists based on > > their preferred scoot. I am told it was an incredible undertaking. SNIP > > KLR - 32 percentile

[Swede]

No offense, but in my short lived experience, because a person seems intelligent and has diplomas from numerous institutions of higher learning does not mean a person is intelligent. Most of these exams don't address the "Common Sense" quotient or a "Personality" factor. These two represent a relation to environment sense of intelligence. Most of the "Mensa" people I have come in contact with are arrogant and don't have the skills to deal with "Real Life" situations. Ted Kazinski is one such example - he was intelligent enough to not get cought for the "Unibombings", but his arrogance is what got him cought. There are many more examples of this. Point is, if he had the "Personality" to let things go and not let them fester, then he would have never started; or the "Common Sense" not to brag and leave a possible trail back to him, he'd never been cought. "Swede" --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Bogdan Swider wrote: > Years ago when my brother moved to LA he was short on social life. > He figured if he joined a club he'd meet some woman. He took the MENSA test > and was admitted. After attending several outings he stopped going. He said > the woman were uninteresting and the conversations, whether with men or > woman, generally boring. Just anecdotal but my only second hand experience > with that outfit. Bogdan

[Dan Oaks]

True genius is the ability to use and expand upon whatever limited facilities one has, to excel in whatever area he chooses. True genius is mixture of luck in birth and environment, and savant. Some are not too remote from idiot savant; but not quite as gifted. I joined MENSA back in the late 70's in Ohio and found them to be a peacock like bunch of elitists without the intelligence to operate a CB radio when congregated in groups. It seems that the total IQ of a group of MENSA members can be reached by dividing the highest IQ in the group by the number of MENSA's present. Any vehicle with more than one MENSA member aboard automatically qualifies for a handicapped parking spot (if they can get into it). Turned in my brains and my little gold stick pin after the first meeting and haven't claimed them since. I really am convinced that some people can take tests and others can't. I am also convinced that if you find a smart person that has a high IQ, it's purely coincidental. Unfortunately, many people misinterpret the meaning of an IQ test as some valid measure of a person's intelligence and therefor his worth in life. This is especially true of the ones that score high on these tests. These people are in need of something to make themselves important in their own eyes. And people that develop and misuse the results of IQ tests are the most needy of all. The measure of a man is what he is, not how he's measured by a group with a hidden agenda. Just my .02. Ride on! -- bierdo on a Mac warmed up in Hell An Intelligence Quotient . . . isn't.

[jlabate@dakotacom.net]

Stu, could you post that theorem proof to the list?

> When you do that, ask him what he thinks of the proof of Fermat's > last theorem. I reckon I could prove it in less pages, and get it > right the first time. I will be happy to do it for an 18 pack of Bud > Light and some Rum Crooks. > > Cheers > CA Stu people.

[Juan Carlos Ibarra]

> The measure of a man is what he is, not how he's measured by a group > with a hidden agenda. > > Just my .02. Ride on! > > -- > bierdo

Man cannot measure man. There can't be an objective measuring scale because no man is beyond humanity. What we call measuring is actually comparing, and the act of comparing beings that are absolutely unique (and therefore incomparable) is silly. Juan

[Tengai650]

At 9:15 PM -0400 5/3/01, Dan Oaks wrote:

>I joined MENSA back in the late 70's in Ohio and found them to be a >peacock like bunch of elitists without the intelligence to operate a CB >radio when congregated in groups. It seems that the total IQ of a group >of MENSA members can be reached by dividing the highest IQ in the group >by the number of MENSA's present. Any vehicle with more than one MENSA >member aboard automatically qualifies for a handicapped parking spot (if >they can get into it). Turned in my brains and my little gold stick pin >after the first meeting and haven't claimed them since.

Personally, after slaving for the man many years in academia, I find most of these intellectual blow-hards to be borderline autistic. Mark B2 A2 A3

[Kurt Simpson (Dual Sport News)]

OK, I can't resist...am I the only one that wonders why Gregory Frazier, world traveler, insists on the moniker, "Dr." Gregory Frazier...at least when Clarisse Starling calls Hanibal Lector "Dr. Lector" he is operating...albeit on Ray Liotta's brain... Kurt At 9:15 PM -0400 5/3/01, Dan Oaks wrote:

>I joined MENSA back in the late 70's in Ohio and found them to be a >peacock like bunch of elitists without the intelligence to operate a CB >radio when congregated in groups. It seems that the total IQ of a group >of MENSA members can be reached by dividing the highest IQ in the group >by the number of MENSA's present. Any vehicle with more than one MENSA >member aboard automatically qualifies for a handicapped parking spot (if >they can get into it). Turned in my brains and my little gold stick pin >after the first meeting and haven't claimed them since.

Personally, after slaving for the man many years in academia, I find most of these intellectual blow-hards to be borderline autistic. Mark B2 A2 A3 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Swede]

Here, here!! Bierdo hit the nail dead on. Intelligence, IMHO, is the ability to assess, adapt, and overcome. Book smarts are fine, but it takes the ability to formulate to utilize the info given. If your bike is broken in the middle of no where, even if you had the book, it'd mean squat. The individual has to realize what the problem is to determine the fix - with the available means. In my mind's eye, a person's worth can be summed as: 1) Honest - what good is a person that can't be trusted 2) Dependable - there whenever a another needs help 3) Resourceful - uses their environment to their advantage 4) Steadfast - stands by his beliefs and doesn't waiver 5) Compassionate - a person is no use that doesn't support others 6) Humble - reluctant to accept praise for their actions 7) Cooperative - willingness to work with others Not always in that order. "Swede"

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Dan Oaks wrote: > True genius is the ability to use and expand upon whatever limited > facilities one has, to excel in whatever > area he chooses. True genius is mixture of luck in birth and > environment, and savant. Some are not too remote > from idiot savant; but not quite as gifted. > > > The measure of a man is what he is, not how he's measured by a group > with a hidden agenda. > > Just my .02. Ride on! > > -- > bierdo > on a Mac warmed up in Hell > > An Intelligence Quotient . . . isn't.