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Juan Carlos Ibarra
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environmental rant (nklr?)

Post by Juan Carlos Ibarra » Mon Apr 02, 2001 1:29 pm

Hey Bogdan!!!! The problem is not wheather humans, caucasian (statisticaly most American caucasian males are much better off than people of any other race in the world) or not , the real issue is WHAT ARE WE, HUMANS AS A WHOLE DOING ABOUT IT. Also, I agree, Mexico is an environmental mess...the good thing is that the US foreing , industrial and commercial policies have nothing, absolutely nothing to do and are not connected in any way to this state of affairs worldwide. ;-) We are all doing it together, man. Again, what are YOU as an individual, as a person, doing about this? Do you also think that the health of the environment in Mexico or Borneo has no effect in your children's health? Do you think borders and armies can stop sadness, degradation, poverty, ugliness? Do you think you can just ignore the millions of family men that cry every night because their children are starving to death? It's not about Countries, it has to do with intelligence and kindness. In the morning. I see the sun come out, joyfully the birds set out to fly. I get up , look at myself in the mirror and very seriously question myself: Juan, what are you going to do today about this mess we are in? There are no masses of volunteers in the mirror's image, no bankers ready to finance my efforts, just me...and that's plenty. I don't see this as a horrible struggle, it's more like I have no choice. Awareness is a beautifull thing when put into action. By writting this I do not want to appear as a direct descendant of Mother Theresa (I can only wish!!) I just do it to share what makes me happy, and what allows me to ride my bike and pollute a little without a guilty concience. Anyway, I regret writing the caucasian thing, it was bad style (specially since half of my family and my fair skinned girlfriend are included in that segment, and specially since I myself can afford - barely - a nice bike) ...it made people focus on that instead of what was really important : WHAT ARE WE DOING TO STOP THIS MESS??? Juan
> > To me it is very obvious that what you say makes sense to an American > > (most > > likley caucasian) male, > > > Juan, I hope/trust the worst is over. We want to see you in Moab salvo y > sano. Since engaging in controversy seems to be part of your regimen of > recuperation I'll cross swords with you. > > American Caucasian Male. Hmmm......We all agree that there are some > categories of people that we don't have to descend to stereotypes or easy > conventional thinking to vilify. It's just so obvious. Not so with Mexico > and Mexicans. Many on the list have never seen Mexico or just a bit of it; > since I've been to all Mexican states, save two or three, I'll fill you
all
> in. As soon as you cross the border you'll notice something wonderful that > continues from Sonora to Chiapas. The country is free of garbage. The > descendents of Cuatemoc don't crap in there own nest. There is the problem > of the strain of blood that flows from the likes of Cortez who deflowered > the Eden that was the Aztec Empire; he was after all Caucasian and last I > heard, male. But forget that, Let's talk about the vast tracts of land
that
> the Mexicans have set aside as national parks. No fear of paved roads or > tawdry development there. Unlike Dubya, Vicente Fox would not dare mess
with
> the Mexican's clean water which is a national treasure. When you're there
go
> to the nearest faucet and pour yourself a big, delicious glass. Same with > clean air, go to the capital, walk the famous Avenida Reforma and savor a > nice deep breath. You'll find little traffic there because Mexicans, > blancos, morenos or morenos claros don't pollute the environment with > vehicles like American Caucasians. I could go on about the lack of sprawl > and other environmental marvels but you get the picture. Nothing is
perfect
> though, the Mexican paradise can't help but be effected by their nasty, > belching neighbor to the North which they avoid by the millions. P. Diaz > their President about a hundred years ago, freely elected of course, is > said to have said, " Poor Mexico so far from God, so close to the United > States." Bogdan > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

RM
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environmental rant (nklr?)

Post by RM » Mon Apr 02, 2001 2:22 pm

Oh....
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Dan Oaks wrote: >He's speaking facetiously! > >8^) >-- >bierdo > >richardm@... wrote: > >> >> >> Mexico City? We are thinking of the same Mexico City, right? > >

Toby 'Slide' Lampson
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environmental rant (nklr?)

Post by Toby 'Slide' Lampson » Mon Apr 02, 2001 3:36 pm

Not bad....got a little toasty, but not bad. I have only one comment to present that might be helpful, whatever side of the fence one may be on........ Try avoiding 'personalization' of the arguement. That is, referencing with the 'you' as part of statements. The progression of an arguement can be referred to in terms of the content of the thought or the idea. In this way the content is referred to, and not the individual. Hence 'personal attacks' are alleviated..... and thats not what its about anyway.........right? Its about a 'subject' or 'idea'....and not the individual. This can focus the arguement where it should be focused...on the thinking that may, or may not be, obsolete and not the 'dude'............ Only a suggestion..........good for Religous, Political, and Sexual arguements...... Slide out

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klr vs xr650l - nklr

Post by ephilride@aol.com » Mon Apr 02, 2001 4:25 pm

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., k650dsn@a... wrote:
> Did you happen to see how Cycle World roasted the new Dakar in
their
> long term update section. The last time I saw them so hard on a
bike,
> they were talking about a Harley Sporster...except the Sporty
doesn't
> stall at stop lights. > > Gino,
As a matter of fact, I did. I also cancelled my subscription. Besides stalling, they say that, "There's a residual flatulence between 3000 and 4000 RPM." It sounds like a persnickety, left coast tester who don't know a dang thang about ridin' a motorbike. What in the sam hill is "flatulence".... some kind of belly problem on a BMW? Why are they puttin' around at those low RPM's for anyway? And don't you know, "When you come to a stop, pull in the clutch and give 'er a little gas." It aint that hard, it really aint! -- Knot

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