looking for used racks,guards,bash plate,bags

[Russell Scott]

Right off a web site. 9,000 includes tax and license. Enjoy your Dakar, I'll continue to enjoy my KLR and XR. Russel'r DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: F650GS vs. KLR650 according to City Bike NKLR On the fence thing, why would I want to drag it under when I can call BMW and have them airlift it over to the other side? On the price side, where did $9000 come from? Mine was $7800, which included an excellent engine guard(not the plate) and power socket, including heated grips at cost.Another important fact that I seem to see some in denial of. The price is relative to what a person can afford and what something is worth to them. If you`ll check the archives, I gave my wife nothing but grief for her choice of the F650 for several months and ended up getting hordes of e-mails coming to her defense. I just happen to have my priorities elsewhere. I drive a 1986 Trooper Diesel in the winter, have a 1966 Mercedes Unimog for fun,wood hauling and hunting ($4500 with 22,000 miles on it). My wife a drives a 1991 Mazda MPV. My bike is my main transportation until ice prevents me. I dare say many of you out there have paid anywhere from $15,000 to $30,000 for a vehicle. That`s fine. My rigs are all paid for and are in top notch running shape. I have no vehicle payments and have no problem paying $7700 for a bike if I think it`s worth it.If it turns out I don`t think it is, I`ll sell it. As for plastic, there`s less to break on the Dakar than on my KLR.Anyway, I could care less. If I crack it, I`ll fix it. On the weight issue, I`ll state again, the dry weight is only 39lbs. more than the KLR, and it`s a whole lot lower and I can honestly say that it actually rides like it weighs less. Believe me, I`d know. The published weight on the Dakar is it`s wet weight, ready to ride, and is less than the GS model. The Dakar I rode weighed in at 414 lbs. wet on the pallet scales we weighed it on. I`ve never weighed my KLR, but the published dry weight is 339 lbs., add fuel oil and electrolyte and figure it for yourself. I could care less about it being a BMW, if it does what I want it to do, the way I want it to do it, what do I care who made it, otherwise I wouldn`t have bought a KLR650. Believe me, if it won`t walk the walk, it`s gone. I have no brand loyalties, I can`t afford to. Sorry, nuff said. Skip Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[R Bizarro]

Well put Skip, Yes, I ride till the snow falls. The bike is worth every penny! Rick.

----- Original Message ----- From: To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: F650GS vs. KLR650 according to City Bike NKLR > On the fence thing, why would I want to drag it under when I can > call BMW and have them airlift it over to the other side? > On the price side, where did $9000 come from? Mine was $7800, > which included an excellent engine guard(not the plate) and power > socket, including heated grips at cost.Another important fact that I > seem to see some in denial of. The price is relative to what a person > can afford and what something is worth to them. If you`ll check the > archives, I gave my wife nothing but grief for her choice of the F650 > for several months and ended up getting hordes of e-mails coming to > her defense. I just happen to have my priorities elsewhere. I drive a > 1986 Trooper Diesel in the winter, have a 1966 Mercedes Unimog for > fun,wood hauling and hunting ($4500 with 22,000 miles on it). My > wife a drives a 1991 Mazda MPV. My bike is my main transportation > until ice > prevents me. I dare say many of you out there have paid anywhere from > $15,000 to $30,000 for a vehicle. That`s fine. My rigs are all paid > for and are in top notch running shape. I have no vehicle payments > and have no problem paying $7700 for a bike if I think it`s worth > it.If it turns out I don`t think it is, I`ll sell it. > As for plastic, there`s less to break on the Dakar than on my > KLR.Anyway, I could care less. If I crack it, I`ll fix it. > On the weight issue, I`ll state again, the dry weight is only > 39lbs. more than the KLR, and it`s a whole lot lower and I can > honestly say that it actually rides like it weighs less. Believe me, > I`d know. The published weight on the Dakar is it`s wet weight, ready > to ride, and is less than the GS model. The Dakar I rode weighed in > at 414 lbs. wet on the pallet scales we weighed it on. I`ve never > weighed my KLR, but the published dry weight is 339 lbs., add fuel > oil and electrolyte and figure it for yourself. > I could care less about it being a BMW, if it does what I want it > to do, the way I want it to do it, what do I care who made it, > otherwise I wouldn`t have bought a KLR650. Believe me, if it won`t > walk the walk, it`s gone. I have no brand loyalties, I can`t afford > to. > Sorry, nuff said. > > Skip > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >

[Ralph E. Hanson]

R. Bizarro writes:

> >Russell, Do your math again. Last time I checked on all the mods I had to >do to my KLR to even come close to the Dakar, well way over $200.00. Lets >say $2000.00+ for argument sake.

Yes, if you want a BMW Dakar, buying one is the cheapest way to get one. You can't convert a KLR into the same bike. But a Dakar that cost what my KLR cost would be completely clapped out. I started with a $4,000 KLR with 700 miles on it, I've added luggage and racks (which I would have to add to the BMW), I've spent $100 on new front springs and $100 on brakelines, $60 on a better windshield (better in that it suits me better.) So, I've got roughly $4,300 in a great bike. I won't pretend it can run with the Triumph Tiger (or better yet, an Africa Twin), but I can't afford the one or import the other, so I've got a great bike for a low cost. I like making changes to personalize my bike. If I bought a BMW I would have added things to it, too, because it's fun to do so! This illustrates what I call the Myth of the Right Answer. In many decisions there are better answers and worse answers, but no right answer. (Don't worry, I'm not a relativist. For many things there are right answers.) For me, the KLR was a good answer. A one- or two-year-old TransAlp (had one been available) would have been a better answer for my type of riding (almost exclusively street). My real hope is that three or four years from now Honda will bring the Africa Twin to the US, or Suzuke will put one of it's twins in a rally style bike. Ralph Ralph E. Hanson rhanson40@... 99 KRL 650 http://www.wvu.edu/~journal2/west

[R Bizarro]

Yes Ralph, I totally agree with you here. I did the same to my 97 KLR and loved every minute of the ride till I sold it. Now here is my point. I wanted to stay with a 650 due to the riding I do. I needed a change from the KLR, I found it had a few short falls that I just think Kawasaki could have changed in the years. I thought the Dakar will be what I am looking for. The fact is the bike is paid for and I will ride it till I move on to a different stage in my life. Thanks for your response. Rick.

> > I started with a $4,000 KLR with 700 miles on it, I've added luggage and > racks (which I would have to add to the BMW), I've spent $100 on new front > springs and $100 on brakelines, $60 on a better windshield (better in that > it suits me better.) So, I've got roughly $4,300 in a great bike. I

won't

> pretend it can run with the Triumph Tiger (or better yet, an Africa Twin), > but I can't afford the one or import the other, so I've got a great bike > for a low cost. > >

[steve pye]

-----Original Message----- From: Swede To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:50 AM

>I haven't made any major mods to my KLR, like it just fine. The mods >I have done to it total under $300, less tires (expendable cost). >Brakes, power, torque are fine, suspension works for me. I dunno, >maybe the rider. Yes, I know I'm gonna piss a lot of people off. A >good rider can overcome deficiencies in a bike, but there isn't much >a bike can do to overcome the deficiencies in the rider! > >"Swede"

Hey Swede, You took the words right out of my mouth!! No flames from me. Rick Bizzaro made a comment about comparing apples to apples, maybe that should be unmodified apples. The KLR can stand on it's own as a cheapo dual sport that does not need to be heavily modified to measure up to other machines. Does it have some shortcomings? Sure. Does it have one of the lowest purchase prices of any bike in it's class? Yep. Does it have to modified in order to be usable? NO WAY! The only aftermarket piece on my recently purchased 97' is a SuperTrapp and it's likely to stay that way for a long time to come. Just my 2 cents Steve Pye

[zootpatutie]

Means we don't have to park outside anymore. Todd A9

> What does that mean? > > k650dsn@... wrote: > > > I just read the City Bike review of the BMW F650GS. One line from > > the article sums it up well. "In a bar room fight with a KLR650, the > > F650GS wouldn't stand a chance." > > > > Gino > >

[guymanbro@excite.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., msfaul@d... wrote:

> If the KLR had the frame construction and design of the > F650GS/Dakar, especially the rectangular tube subframe, we`d all be > better off. Super rigid and light. But how it holds up remains to

be seen.

> > Skip

Yo Skip you ain't thinking of changing your ride in the Alcan are you? The site still lists your ride as a KLR. Hopr it's true. dat brooklyn bum - who yearns for a KTM for his harem

[Dan Oaks]

Modifications: Some people buy a bike to screw with, others to ride. I bought mine to ride. Here are the only modifications I have found necessary to make the bike do what I bought it for: 1. Replace the rubber pegs with metal pegs $100 2. Scrap the windshield (buffeting attachment) $00 3. I'll eventually install lowering links for my shorter friends $200 and I'll put real tires on it as soon as I destroy the SUV tires that came on it; and I'll probably install better versions of everything that falls off over time. But before I'd replace exhaust, gearing, tanks, brakes, lights, shocks, etc. etc. I'd buy a bike that had what I wanted on it already (near as possible). I like the bare assed KLR for what it is, not for what it might be. If I ever feel I need to improve upon it, I'll buy the machine that it might be. Probably another DR650. 8^) -- bierdo '01 KLR650 Garbage Bag Green '99 DR650 Assorted colors '82 XL250R Forest Fire Red, complete with smoke

[msfaul@digisys.net]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., guymanbro@e... wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., msfaul@d... wrote: > > If the KLR had the frame construction and design of the > > F650GS/Dakar, especially the rectangular tube subframe, we`d all

be

> > better off. Super rigid and light. But how it holds up remains to > be seen. > > > > Skip > > Yo Skip you ain't thinking of changing your ride in the Alcan are

you?

> The site still lists your ride as a KLR. Hopr it's true. > > dat brooklyn bum - who yearns for a KTM for his harem

Tumu, I plan on doing some hard comparitive riding this year comparing the two bikes. So far, from what little riding I did on the Dakar, it has better suspension, much better power, especially lower end,stronger subframe with virtually no flex. The main Dakar drawback I see is lower fuel capacity, but I think I`ve solved that.Since the weight difference is negligable, that`s not a factor. ( Jim e-mailed me and said he weighed his KLR wet and came out with 400 lbs. +/-1 so we`re only talking around 15 lbs.difference.) But as it stands and until I see a reason to change, I`m sticking with the A9. Skip

[kcorriga@together.net]

Hello Listers! I have just added another Y2KLR to my fleet and need to add some of the essentials. Does anyone out there have a set of Tim's Happy Trails Side Racks, Radiator/Coolant Tank Guards, Saddle Bags, and a Bash Plate (Tim's modified Moose, Moose or White Brothers) Those of you that are selling your bikes might want to consider parting off your upgrades? I know quite a few people replaced their White Brothers Bash Plates with the Moose/MSR because of clamp issues. Heres your chance to unload your White Brothers Plate? Just thought I'd try the list before I go for brand new stuff. Thanks K.C. 2 - Y2KLRA14s (Little Thumper - 1973 Yami RT3-360 sold this weekend)