I work in an industry (Venture Capital Backed
 companies that product system level computing and data
 storage products) where tens of millions of dollars
 are invested in product development and it often
 results in a mere 12 month time to market advantage
 before someone rips you off.  (usually someone that
 you disclosed your product to because they were
 "interested in an OEM deal").   
 
 If you file enough patents you have the privilige of
 going broke litigating the case or you can just steel
 yourself and try to outperform them.
 
 Seems wrong, but bottom line, thats the world we live
 in.  
 
 If you need more evidence, go to Walmart and take a
 close look at many of the products they sell there. 
 The package looks like the brand you are familiar
 with, but upon close inspection you will see it is a
 knock off.   Walmarts procurement function alledgedly
 will threaten a supplier with "Meet our cost goals or
 we will go to Asia and get a knock off product
 instead".
 
 Meaning no disrespect, the Duchin Dash is a piece of
 Aluminum with holes in it.   If the competitors part
 has the exact same holes in the exact same places it
 is curious fact, but probably not a crime.  Unless Mr.
 Duchin filed some very specific copyrights, I would
 guess its a lost cause. (I dont think you can patent
 holes in aluminum).
 
 There's a thousand precedent examples....
 
 Bottom line,  you have to vote with your wallet and do
 business with those that you want support.  That will
 vary by individual.
 
 Eric
 
 
 Message: 8         
    Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:41:50 -0000
    From: "Conall" 
 Subject: Re: Stolen design, SCUMBAGS!!!
 
 
 
 
 > Holy crap, Critchfield, who pissed on your
  
Post-Toasties?  Jay has 
 been 
 
 > a worthwhile and respectable member of this group
  
for a long time. 
 For 
 
 > longer than KLR650.com has been known as a source of
  
knock-off
 products, 
 
 > in fact.  I know that Conall will say otherwise, but
  
what KLR650.com 
 
 > does is NOT a manifestation of free enterprise. 
  
They do NOT say, 
 
 > "there's an interesting dashboard/fork brace/etc.,
  
but I can make a 
 
 > better one."  They simply make direct knockoffs.
 > 
 
  
i don't like this type of dealings either so to speak.
 I've been on
 this list a long time and  could argue either side of
 this argument. I
 have the right to change my mind if I want to but I
 don't like the
 tone of this so I'm going defensive and now that I've
 been dragged
 into the fray, I'm going to respond.
 
 Quite simply,any company that wants to set itself
 apart from the rest
 of the market needs to consider intellectual-property
 protection.
 I don't believe any patents are pending on any of the
 products reverse
 engineered (copied) by Studebaker, correct me if I'm
 wrong. 
 
 You could take 5 yrs to develop something, if you
 don't get patent or
 copyright protection someone can knock it off
 overnight.
 Legal protection of the property is key to securing
 licensing deals
 and venture capital.
 If the parties who feel they have been infringed had a
 patent or
 copyright a simple letter to MASH could possibly
 resolve things short
 of filing a lawsuit.
 
 
 Conall-