Hydraulic Damper Bushes

[Jack Emdall]

G'day Group: I have been unable to find any written information, either in our data base, the " Brown Book ", or " TC's Forever ", to adequately explain the above mentioned subject. The part does not even show in my copy of the TC, Service Parts List, # AKD 856, Fourth Edition. Specifically, I am in a quandary as the number of bushes required per damper. Some authorities infer that there are four needed, two for the link to damper arm and two for the link to link pin. ( 16 in total/car ) When I ordered replacements, quite some time ago, I received parts that utilise only two bushes/damper. These measure about: 7/8" in OD, 1/2" in ID and 1-1/4" in length. Since that purchase, I have been advised, by several others, that the bushes did in fact come in halves, thereby making a total of four/ damper. Further to that that installation is one devilishly difficult operation. I have been reasured however; that the procedure can be made much more easier by the purchase of a specialised and dear tool. The above described bushes fitted quite easily, actually by hand, but was a little to easy for my liking. The latter has been borne out, especially on the rears. They have worked themselves part the way out and there they sit, unceremoniously, protruding from their eyes. Another source has suggested that, after re-insertion and to keep the miscreant bushes in place, I place a washer on the external end of the link and link pin shanks, drill a small hole through the shanks, then secure the washer with a cotter pin. To conclude; I should like to query the group on, firstly; their opinions as to the number of bushes required per damper, and secondly; what their overall opinion is on the " jury-rig " fix for damper link, bush retention. Respectfully: Jack Emdall, TC # 6768 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gene]

Jack asks: "To conclude; I should like to query the group on, firstly; their opinions as to the number of bushes required per damper, and secondly; what their overall opinion is on the " jury-rig " fix for damper link, bush retention." Jack, I only remember one bush from the damper to the link and one from the link to the pin. I do agree with the "jury-rig" fix - works well and lasts a long time. Gene Gillam Saucier, MS

[LAWRENCE A LECLERC]

I replaced all bushings on TC1439 as a part of restoration. The 'right" bushings (supplied by Abingdon Spares as I remember) do NOT install by hand.There are Two per damper, one on each end of the link, and they are a devil to install without a press and the special tools kit as sold by Moss. I borrowed the tool kit, and still ruined 4 additional bushings in the process. Use lots of dish soap.

----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Emdallemdall@shaw.ca> To: TABC GROUPmg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Hydraulic Damper Bushes G'day Group: I have been unable to find any written information, either in our data base, the " Brown Book ", or " TC's Forever ", to adequately explain the above mentioned subject. The part does not even show in my copy of the TC, Service Parts List, # AKD 856, Fourth Edition. Specifically, I am in a quandary as the number of bushes required per damper. Some authorities infer that there are four needed, two for the link to damper arm and two for the link to link pin. ( 16 in total/car ) When I ordered replacements, quite some time ago, I received parts that utilise only two bushes/damper. These measure about: 7/8" in OD, 1/2" in ID and 1-1/4" in length. Since that purchase, I have been advised, by several others, that the bushes did in fact come in halves, thereby making a total of four/ damper. Further to that that installation is one devilishly difficult operation. I have been reasured however; that the procedure can be made much more easier by the purchase of a specialised and dear tool. The above described bushes fitted quite easily, actually by hand, but was a little to easy for my liking. The latter has been borne out, especially on the rears. They have worked themselves part the way out and there they sit, unceremoniously, protruding from their eyes. Another source has suggested that, after re-insertion and to keep the miscreant bushes in place, I place a washer on the external end of the link and link pin shanks, drill a small hole through the shanks, then secure the washer with a cotter pin. To conclude; I should like to query the group on, firstly; their opinions as to the number of bushes required per damper, and secondly; what their overall opinion is on the " jury-rig " fix for damper link, bush retention. Respectfully: Jack Emdall, TC # 6768 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Charles Hill]

I too ruined a lot of bushes with the MOSS tool. I know its the chicken way out, but since the shocks needed rebuilding anyway I sent them to Peter Caldwell had him do the whole mess. Don't remember the exact price, but it was pretty cheap considering all the aggrivation it saves. Don't know if this would be a reasonable option for Jack as he will have to deal with Canadian customs. Regards, Charles Hill LAWRENCE A LECLERC wrote:

>I replaced all bushings on TC1439 as a part of restoration. The 'right" bushings (supplied by Abingdon Spares as I remember) do NOT install by hand.There are Two per damper, one on each end of the link, and they are a devil to install without a press and the special tools kit as sold by Moss. I borrowed the tool kit, and still ruined 4 additional bushings in the process. Use lots of dish soap. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack Emdallemdall@shaw.ca> > To: TABC GROUPmg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:47 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Hydraulic Damper Bushes > > > G'day Group: > > I have been unable to find any written information, either in our data base, the " Brown Book ", or " TC's Forever ", to adequately explain the above mentioned subject. The part does not even show in my copy of the TC, Service Parts List, # AKD 856, Fourth Edition. > > Specifically, I am in a quandary as the number of bushes required per damper. Some authorities infer that there are four needed, two for the link to damper arm and two for the link to link pin. ( 16 in total/car ) > > When I ordered replacements, quite some time ago, I received parts that utilise only two bushes/damper. These measure about: 7/8" in OD, 1/2" in ID and 1-1/4" in length. > > Since that purchase, I have been advised, by several others, that the bushes did in fact come in halves, thereby making a total of four/ damper. Further to that that installation is one devilishly difficult operation. I have been reasured however; that the procedure can be made much more easier by the purchase of a specialised and dear tool. > > The above described bushes fitted quite easily, actually by hand, but was a little to easy for my liking. The latter has been borne out, especially on the rears. They have worked themselves part the way out and there they sit, unceremoniously, protruding from their eyes. > > Another source has suggested that, after re-insertion and to keep the miscreant bushes in place, I place a washer on the external end of the link and link pin shanks, drill a small hole through the shanks, then secure the washer with a cotter pin. > > To conclude; I should like to query the group on, firstly; their opinions as to the number of bushes required per damper, and secondly; what their overall opinion is on the " jury-rig " fix for damper link, bush retention. > > Respectfully: Jack Emdall, TC # 6768 > > > >

[Mark Stolzenburg]

Jack, There are two rubber bushings per shock and they are a bugger to put install correctly. (I have an almost "unused" Moss bushing installation tool kit to prove it). If you live in North America, I would suggest you contact Peter Caldwell at World Wide Auto parts in Madison Wisconsin (1-800-362-1025). Back about 4 years ago he charged me about $14 per bushing which was a bargain considering the doctor and hospital bills I would have incurred had I installed the bushings myself. Mark Stolzenburg St. Louis, Missouri TC 7812

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Emdall" emdall@shaw.ca> To: "TABC GROUP" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Hydraulic Damper Bushes > G'day Group: > > I have been unable to find any written information, either in our data base, the " Brown Book ", or " TC's Forever ", to adequately explain the above mentioned subject. The part does not even show in my copy of the TC, Service Parts List, # AKD 856, Fourth Edition. > > Specifically, I am in a quandary as the number of bushes required per damper. Some authorities infer that there are four needed, two for the link to damper arm and two for the link to link pin. ( 16 in total/car ) > > When I ordered replacements, quite some time ago, I received parts that utilise only two bushes/damper. These measure about: 7/8" in OD, 1/2" in ID and 1-1/4" in length. > > Since that purchase, I have been advised, by several others, that the bushes did in fact come in halves, thereby making a total of four/ damper. Further to that that installation is one devilishly difficult operation. I have been reasured however; that the procedure can be made much more easier by the purchase of a specialised and dear tool. > > The above described bushes fitted quite easily, actually by hand, but was a little to easy for my liking. The latter has been borne out, especially on the rears. They have worked themselves part the way out and there they sit, unceremoniously, protruding from their eyes. > > Another source has suggested that, after re-insertion and to keep the miscreant bushes in place, I place a washer on the external end of the link and link pin shanks, drill a small hole through the shanks, then secure the washer with a cotter pin. > > To conclude; I should like to query the group on, firstly; their opinions as to the number of bushes required per damper, and secondly; what their overall opinion is on the " jury-rig " fix for damper link, bush retention. > > Respectfully: Jack Emdall, TC # 6768 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[John Patterson]

I went this route and have a Moss Bushing Installation Kit which turned out to be next to useless after using a 10 ton press and blowing out all 12 new bushings and a tube of KY. Called Peter and had a good laugh about the experience, then sent the shocks, to him and he rebuilt the shocks and installed new bushings. He charged me $12.00 per bushing to install. He returned the rebuilt shocks and the looked brand new! I asked him what fluid I should use to top up and he said if they ever needed fluid to return the shock to him as they will never leak! So I have two bottles of shock fluid and a bushing kit I will trade for a dozen bottles of "Old Speckled Hen" John Patterson, TC 7025, Frankfort, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Stolzenburg Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:11 AM To: TABC GROUP; Jack Emdall Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Hydraulic Damper Bushes Jack, There are two rubber bushings per shock and they are a bugger to put install correctly. (I have an almost "unused" Moss bushing installation tool kit to prove it). If you live in North America, I would suggest you contact Peter Caldwell at World Wide Auto parts in Madison Wisconsin (1-800-362-1025). Back about 4 years ago he charged me about $14 per bushing which was a bargain considering the doctor and hospital bills I would have incurred had I installed the bushings myself. Mark Stolzenburg St. Louis, Missouri TC 7812

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Emdall" emdall@shaw.ca> To: "TABC GROUP" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Hydraulic Damper Bushes > G'day Group: > > I have been unable to find any written information, either in our data base, the " Brown Book ", or " TC's Forever ", to adequately explain the above mentioned subject. The part does not even show in my copy of the TC, Service Parts List, # AKD 856, Fourth Edition. > > Specifically, I am in a quandary as the number of bushes required per damper. Some authorities infer that there are four needed, two for the link to damper arm and two for the link to link pin. ( 16 in total/car ) > > When I ordered replacements, quite some time ago, I received parts that utilise only two bushes/damper. These measure about: 7/8" in OD, 1/2" in ID and 1-1/4" in length. > > Since that purchase, I have been advised, by several others, that the bushes did in fact come in halves, thereby making a total of four/ damper. Further to that that installation is one devilishly difficult operation. I have been reasured however; that the procedure can be made much more easier by the purchase of a specialised and dear tool. > > The above described bushes fitted quite easily, actually by hand, but was a little to easy for my liking. The latter has been borne out, especially on the rears. They have worked themselves part the way out and there they sit, unceremoniously, protruding from their eyes. > > Another source has suggested that, after re-insertion and to keep the miscreant bushes in place, I place a washer on the external end of the link and link pin shanks, drill a small hole through the shanks, then secure the washer with a cotter pin. > > To conclude; I should like to query the group on, firstly; their opinions as to the number of bushes required per damper, and secondly; what their overall opinion is on the " jury-rig " fix for damper link, bush retention. > > Respectfully: Jack Emdall, TC # 6768 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

[Jim and Shirley Mink]

A few years back I was faced with replacing "perished" bushings on all the TC's shocks. I didn't have access to the Moss installation kit so I had to develop a "field expediency" method. I started with a strip of metal (from a steel can) slightly wider than the depth of the bushing and long enough to go all the way around. I wrapped the metal around the bushing and used a screw type hose clamp to compress the bushing until it would fit into the hole in the arm. I then placed the compressed bushing,and the arm in a vice and used a socket of the appropriate size to press the bushing into place. You could probably do the same thing with a big clamp. Liberal use of lubricant such as KY Jelly will help. I also found that I could use the vise to force the stud end into the bushing, again using a socket to back up the bushing so that it is not forced out. Slightly rounding the end of the stud made things easier. This process worked nicely and the bushings are still in place. I did find that the bushings Moss sold were easy to install because they were soft. They did not stay in place. I bought another set from Abbingdon Spares, much harder and harder to install but they have lasted. Jim

[ROSS TAYLOR]

My misses got the s#### when I used all her KY

>A few years back I was faced with replacing "perished" bushings on all the >TC's shocks. I didn't have access to the Moss installation kit so I had to >develop a "field expediency" method. I started with a strip of metal (from >a steel can) slightly wider than the depth of the bushing and long enough >to >go all the way around. I wrapped the metal around the bushing and used a >screw type hose clamp to compress the bushing until it would fit into the >hole in the arm. I then placed the compressed bushing,and the arm in a >vice >and used a socket of the appropriate size to press the bushing into place. >You could probably do the same thing with a big clamp. Liberal use of >lubricant such as KY Jelly will help. I also found that I could use the >vise to force the stud end into the bushing, again using a socket to back >up >the bushing so that it is not forced out. Slightly rounding the end of >the >stud made things easier. This process worked nicely and the bushings are >still in place. > >I did find that the bushings Moss sold were easy to install because they >were soft. They did not stay in place. I bought another set from >Abbingdon >Spares, much harder and harder to install but they have lasted. Jim > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Jack Emdall]

G'day group: Just a quick thank-you to all the members who responded with answers and suggestions pertaining to the above subject. Cheers for now; respectfully: Jack Emdall, TC # 6768 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]