Who are these guys?

SherParker@aol.com · Post by **SherParker@aol.com** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:07 am

List, I posed this question to the list about 6 months ago and nobody seemed to know. I have watched their adds and, IMHO, they are always on the edge of our brand of scruples. They will but fairly expensive part on for 99 cents without reserve but if they don't make their price target they will pull it just before the end of the auction. One tactic is to run a wiring harness at a low opening price but reading the fine print one finds it is the underdash portion of a harness and there the opening price is no "price" at all. They will list a oil/temp gauge at low open price but you have to read the fine print to learn that it is "exchange". I for one wish our list had a "not recommended supplier" annotation as I would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or a feedback feature to judge their integrity or tactics. They are on my personal MG "fecal roster". Octagoanlly, Sherwood Parker TC 8355 Tempe, Arizona USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

davjak@aol.com · Post by **davjak@aol.com** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:15 pm

Sherwood, Thanks for the input I almost purchased an item from the flim-flam ebayer you mentioned. I went back and reviewed and noticed the trickery. I almost got hammered! Thanks, Dave p.s. Any other flim-flammers selling T series parts that you know of? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Doug · Post by **Doug** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:39 pm

I had a very unpleasant experience as well. The not recommended list or some rating system is a good idea. Doug "I for one wish our list had a "not recommended supplier" annotation as I would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or a feedback feature to judge their integrity or tactics. They are on my personal MG "fecal roster"." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

vze4xyru · Post by **vze4xyru** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:47 pm

Why don't we start a list which doesn't blackball vendors (because of legal crap potential), but simply being on the list is a tip-off to potentially shady characters. We can have it understood that the presence of a name portends a rough commercial future! It could be called a "Minor Supplier List" or some other euphemism. Dick Little, TA 1326

----- Original Message ----- From: SherParker@aol.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > List, > > I posed this question to the list about 6 months ago and nobody seemed to > know. I have watched their adds and, IMHO, they are always on the edge of > our > brand of scruples. > > They will but fairly expensive part on for 99 cents without reserve but > if > they don't make their price target they will pull it just before the end > of > the auction. > > One tactic is to run a wiring harness at a low opening price but reading > the > fine print one finds it is the underdash portion of a harness and there > the > opening price is no "price" at all. > > They will list a oil/temp gauge at low open price but you have to read > the > fine print to learn that it is "exchange". > > > I for one wish our list had a "not recommended supplier" annotation as I > would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or a feedback feature to > judge their > integrity or tactics. They are on my personal MG "fecal roster". > > Octagoanlly, > > Sherwood Parker > TC 8355 > Tempe, Arizona > USA > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

SANDY SANDERS · Post by **SANDY SANDERS** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:20 pm

Early on I tried to do business with them but fortunately I smartened up (chickened out). They tried hard for me to send them some parts but when I asked for prepayment they countered with we will trade you.BLACK BALL WITH A PATCH AND BLACK POWDER BEHIND IT MIGHT DO. No deal and I am happy Sandy Sanders

----- Original Message ----- From: vze4xyruvze4xyru@adelphia.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: Fw: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? Why don't we start a list which doesn't blackball vendors (because of legal crap potential), but simply being on the list is a tip-off to potentially shady characters. We can have it understood that the presence of a name portends a rough commercial future! It could be called a "Minor Supplier List" or some other euphemism. Dick Little, TA 1326 ----- Original Message ----- From: SherParker@aol.comSherParker@aol.com>> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > List, > > I posed this question to the list about 6 months ago and nobody seemed to > know. I have watched their adds and, IMHO, they are always on the edge of > our > brand of scruples. > > They will but fairly expensive part on for 99 cents without reserve but > if > they don't make their price target they will pull it just before the end > of > the auction. > > One tactic is to run a wiring harness at a low opening price but reading > the > fine print one finds it is the underdash portion of a harness and there > the > opening price is no "price" at all. > > They will list a oil/temp gauge at low open price but you have to read > the > fine print to learn that it is "exchange". > > > I for one wish our list had a "not recommended supplier" annotation as I > would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or a feedback feature to > judge their > integrity or tactics. They are on my personal MG "fecal roster". > > Octagoanlly, > > Sherwood Parker > TC 8355 > Tempe, Arizona > USA > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Peter Roberts · Post by **Peter Roberts** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:26 pm

A black list is a lousy idea. All of the reasons will occur to you. Much more useful would be a List of Good Guys. _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "SANDY SANDERS" esane@msn.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "vze4xyru" vze4xyru@adelphia.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > Early on I tried to do business with them but fortunately I smartened up > (chickened out). They tried hard for me to send them some parts but when I > asked for prepayment they countered with we will trade you.BLACK BALL WITH > A PATCH AND BLACK POWDER BEHIND IT MIGHT DO. > No deal and I am happy > Sandy Sanders > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vze4xyruvze4xyru@adelphia.net> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:49 PM > Subject: Fw: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > Why don't we start a list which doesn't blackball vendors (because of > legal > crap potential), but simply being on the list is a tip-off to potentially > shady characters. We can have it understood that the presence of a name > portends a rough commercial future! > > It could be called a "Minor Supplier List" or some other euphemism. > > Dick Little, TA 1326 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SherParker@aol.comSherParker@aol.com>> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:06 AM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > List, > > > > I posed this question to the list about 6 months ago and nobody seemed > to > > know. I have watched their adds and, IMHO, they are always on the edge > of > > our > > brand of scruples. > > > > They will but fairly expensive part on for 99 cents without reserve but > > if > > they don't make their price target they will pull it just before the > end > > of > > the auction. > > > > One tactic is to run a wiring harness at a low opening price but > reading > > the > > fine print one finds it is the underdash portion of a harness and > there > > the > > opening price is no "price" at all. > > > > They will list a oil/temp gauge at low open price but you have to read > > the > > fine print to learn that it is "exchange". > > > > > > I for one wish our list had a "not recommended supplier" annotation as > I > > would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or a feedback feature to > > judge their > > integrity or tactics. They are on my personal MG "fecal roster". > > > > Octagoanlly, > > > > Sherwood Parker > > TC 8355 > > Tempe, Arizona > > USA > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

candahill@worldnet.att.net · Post by **candahill@worldnet.att.net** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:03 pm

I have no idea who these people are. I've never dealt with them. I can see a recommended vendor list, but I have problems with any kind of a black list - no matter what the euphemism. 1. Even the best of people in the best of companies can have a bad day. I can think of 100s of thing that could knock a person of their best game -- say, for instance, a cat hater just found out his girlfriend's cat is pregnant

2. Then there is always the "Customer from Hell." I've seen these kind of people before on other lists. I haven't seen anything like that on this list. Someone buys something from a well-known and respected vendor and something goes wrong. The buyer insists that its all the vender's fault and no matter what the vendor tries to do to rectify the situation - it isn't enough. As the saga unfolds on the list, the rest of the list members realize that some, if not all, of the fault is with the buyer, not the seller and mentally vow to themselves never to sell anything to that person. I wouldn't want either situation to tarnish the reputation of a reputable vendor. We need to do all we can to encourage the good ones. Maybe a recommended vendor list with footnote that if someone isn't on the recommended list, ask. If they aren't on the list, either they are new and don't have a track record yet or someone who doesn't deserve to be on the recommended list. That should be easy enough to determine. Your thoughts? Regards, Charles Hill

Chip Hellie · Post by **Chip Hellie** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:20 pm

Peter, A "Good guy" list only Isn't a good idea either. Does that mean we buy only from guys on that list. I think a list of vendors in which others have had problems ain't so bad an idea. One or two negetives might be nothing to worry about, but having a list of venders in which 5 or 25 people have been poorly treated by one indivdual is a good tool to judge a business, or seller by. It's not unlike feedback on ebay. Would you like to buy from someone on ebay who has a feedback of 67% ? I don't think so. I like to know where my money or part is going to, especally if I'm not going to get either. I don't think we need to go back into McCarthyism, but a heads up on bad eggs is fine in my book. Chip Hellie --- Peter Roberts mgtc@comcast.net> wrote:

> > A black list is a lousy idea. All of the reasons > will occur to you. > > Much more useful would be a List of Good Guys. > > _Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SANDY SANDERS" esane@msn.com> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "vze4xyru" > vze4xyru@adelphia.net> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > Early on I tried to do business with them but > fortunately I smartened up > > (chickened out). They tried hard for me to send > them some parts but when I > > asked for prepayment they countered with we will > trade you.BLACK BALL WITH > > A PATCH AND BLACK POWDER BEHIND IT MIGHT DO. > > No deal and I am happy > > Sandy Sanders > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: vze4xyruvze4xyru@adelphia.net> > > To: >

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> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:49 PM > > Subject: Fw: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > > > Why don't we start a list which doesn't blackball > vendors (because of > > legal > > crap potential), but simply being on the list is > a tip-off to potentially > > shady characters. We can have it understood that > the presence of a name > > portends a rough commercial future! > > > > It could be called a "Minor Supplier List" or > some other euphemism. > > > > Dick Little, TA 1326 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > SherParker@aol.comSherParker@aol.com>> > > To: >

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> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:06 AM > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > > > > > List, > > > > > > I posed this question to the list about 6 > months ago and nobody seemed > > to > > > know. I have watched their adds and, IMHO, > they are always on the edge > > of > > > our > > > brand of scruples. > > > > > > They will but fairly expensive part on for 99 > cents without reserve but > > > if > > > they don't make their price target they will > pull it just before the > > end > > > of > > > the auction. > > > > > > One tactic is to run a wiring harness at a low > opening price but > > reading > > > the > > > fine print one finds it is the underdash > portion of a harness and > > there > > > the > > > opening price is no "price" at all. > > > > > > They will list a oil/temp gauge at low open > price but you have to read > > > the > > > fine print to learn that it is "exchange". > > > > > > > > > I for one wish our list had a "not recommended > supplier" annotation as > > I > > > would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or > a feedback feature to > > > judge their > > > integrity or tactics. They are on my personal > MG "fecal roster". > > > > > > Octagoanlly, > > > > > > Sherwood Parker > > > TC 8355 > > > Tempe, Arizona > > > USA > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

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Terry Sanders · Post by **Terry Sanders** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:10 pm

Well, guys, I have to admit that I bought something from these people on Ebay and had no problems, I paid by PayPal and they delivered promptly. I'm not endorsing them and one must alway be careful on Ebay. Seems to me that you've already blacklisted them but that may be a good thing....at least every one on this list will be alert.....kinda like a certain prewar vendor in the UK....let the buyer beware!! Terry in Oakland Chip Hellie chiphelli@yahoo.com> wrote: Peter, A "Good guy" list only Isn't a good idea either. Does that mean we buy only from guys on that list. I think a list of vendors in which others have had problems ain't so bad an idea. One or two negetives might be nothing to worry about, but having a list of venders in which 5 or 25 people have been poorly treated by one indivdual is a good tool to judge a business, or seller by. It's not unlike feedback on ebay. Would you like to buy from someone on ebay who has a feedback of 67% ? I don't think so. I like to know where my money or part is going to, especally if I'm not going to get either. I don't think we need to go back into McCarthyism, but a heads up on bad eggs is fine in my book. Chip Hellie --- Peter Roberts wrote:

> > A black list is a lousy idea. All of the reasons > will occur to you. > > Much more useful would be a List of Good Guys. > > _Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SANDY SANDERS" > To: ; "vze4xyru" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > Early on I tried to do business with them but > fortunately I smartened up > > (chickened out). They tried hard for me to send > them some parts but when I > > asked for prepayment they countered with we will > trade you.BLACK BALL WITH > > A PATCH AND BLACK POWDER BEHIND IT MIGHT DO. > > No deal and I am happy > > Sandy Sanders > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: vze4xyru > > To: >

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> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:49 PM > > Subject: Fw: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > > > Why don't we start a list which doesn't blackball > vendors (because of > > legal > > crap potential), but simply being on the list is > a tip-off to potentially > > shady characters. We can have it understood that > the presence of a name > > portends a rough commercial future! > > > > It could be called a "Minor Supplier List" or > some other euphemism. > > > > Dick Little, TA 1326 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:06 AM > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Who are these guys? > > > > > > > > > > List, > > > > > > I posed this question to the list about 6 > months ago and nobody seemed > > to > > > know. I have watched their adds and, IMHO, > they are always on the edge > > of > > > our > > > brand of scruples. > > > > > > They will but fairly expensive part on for 99 > cents without reserve but > > > if > > > they don't make their price target they will > pull it just before the > > end > > > of > > > the auction. > > > > > > One tactic is to run a wiring harness at a low > opening price but > > reading > > > the > > > fine print one finds it is the underdash > portion of a harness and > > there > > > the > > > opening price is no "price" at all. > > > > > > They will list a oil/temp gauge at low open > price but you have to read > > > the > > > fine print to learn that it is "exchange". > > > > > > > > > I for one wish our list had a "not recommended > supplier" annotation as > > I > > > would add this company. Perhaps a "beware" or > a feedback feature to > > > judge their > > > integrity or tactics. They are on my personal > MG "fecal roster". > > > > > > Octagoanlly, > > > > > > Sherwood Parker > > > TC 8355 > > > Tempe, Arizona > > > USA > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

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Jack Emdall · Post by **Jack Emdall** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:01 pm

G'day Group: At least some of you have had responses, even though they be rude, to the problems you have encountered with the " seller " in question! After one year, ( Feb. 14th., 2004 ), of not receiving the items won and paid for from a seller known as " slow-dancin ", I have finally given up hope of my ever seeing the goods or of getting my money back! This experience has led me to quit the eBay circuit and the current thread, now being transmitted as: " who are these guys ", has greatly reinforced my course of action. I reckon the matter of " black-balling ", via a " black list ", etc., to be redundant. The mere mentioning, to our group, of facts such as those put before us now, should make any user, of the auction service, wary of dealing with a suspect seller. Respectfully: Jack Emdall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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