MG's & Morgans

[GaryPerser@aol.com]

I've been somewhat disappointed by the recent Moggie bashing on this list as a result of Charles Hill's decision to sell one of his TC's to buy a +4. It is everyone's right to have his own opinions and preferences. I'm not surprised to hear that some of you don't like Morgans. But just because you don't want one doesn't make them bad sports cars. I've never owned a Morgan or even driven one, but I've always liked them. I'd never trade my TC for one, but I'd certainly choose one over a TD. And why would anyone want two TC's rather than a TC and a Morgan? It's like having two steaks on your plate rather than a steak and a lobster tail (yeah, I know some don't like lobsters OR Morgans). I believe our cars have more in common with Morgans than differences, and Morgan owners are a lot like us--some of them are us. How about a bit more tolerance for other interesting sports cars? I happen to like just about every British sports car--let's not discuss Jowett Jupiters however. And even they are interesting, chuffing along on their twin cylinders. I also like German, Italian, and American sports cars. I'll bet that most members of this list have interests that range far beyond the MG T-A,B, & C that we all love so much. Gary Perser TC5285 Tulsa

[C. Knight]

GaryPerser@aol.com wrote:

> > I've been somewhat disappointed by the recent Moggie bashing on this list as > a result of Charles Hill's decision to sell one of his TC's to buy a +4. It > is everyone's right to have his own opinions and preferences.

I agree, but isn't it nice that the discussion has gone on without the MG police complaining! I like all pre and early post war British sport cars. Many are better that our MGs and many are worse. We would never all agree on which though! One of my other cars is a 1935 BSA Scout which was probably the inspiration for the first Morgan 4 wheeler. From 1929 BSA cut into Morgan's dominance of the 3 wheeler market with their front wheel drive 3 wheelers and in 1935 their 4 wheeler Scout showed how to convert to 4 wheels and compete with MG, Singer etc. Up to the war BSA sold almost as many Scouts as TAs. After the war, seeing the success of the TC they designed a revised Scout but only engineering drawings exist now. Having owned a Scout for some time I can tell those who don't know the car that it is at least as pretty as a TA, B or C and has a super ride with its independent front suspension and fwd but the engine power lets it down compared with the MGs. It would never have competed with the TC on the American market. I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars and where they see them relative to our hallowed TABC. Do other agree? Best wishes Cliff

[Badger]

----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Knight" "...........I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars......" Best wishes Cliff I once had a Super 2 that I drove around for about a year and I thought it was way cool. I'd like to know where it went to. Anybody here even know what a Super 2 is? The Badgerman

[R. Zwart]

I have had a few odd balls: 1926 Master Buick, 1927 Standard Buick coupe, 1934 Buick sedan series 40, 1949 MG TC, 1952 Chevy Belaire, 1954 VW Supercharged, 1956 VW, with 3/8th stroker crank and modified cam, 1962 VW, 1954 Alfa Romeo Zagato Coupe(Ex Monte Carlo), 1963 Porsche 911, 1954 Porsche pre-A coupe, 1964 Porsche 356, 1982 Porsche 911 Targa, 1980 BMW 320i, 1970 Porsche 914-6(still son's car). 1978 Buick . 1984 Mercedes 230, 1988 Mercedes E300, 1994 Mercedes 280, 2001 Mercedes 320 CLK, 1984 Audi Quattro, 1994 Audi S6, 1999 Audi TT (early one), 2001 Audi TT 185 HP Quattro, 2001 Audi TT 225 HP Quattro, 1947 MGTC(21 years and still here), 1929 MG M type, 11 years and still here, finally a 1930 MG M Type chassis and running gear with many baskets of parts to be assembled, maybe..... I said "MAYBE"........ BOB BADGER wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. Knight" > "...........I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars......" > Best wishes Cliff > > I once had a Super 2 that I drove around for about a year and I thought it > was way cool. I'd like to know where it went to. Anybody here even know > what a Super 2 is? > The Badgerman > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Badger]

Bore-ring. (Except maybe the '54 Alfa Zagato). Badger

----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Zwart" ................. > I have had a few odd balls: 1926 Master Buick, 1927 Standard Buick coupe, > 1934 Buick sedan series 40, 1949 MG TC, 1952 Chevy Belaire, 1954 VW > Supercharged, 1956 VW, with 3/8th stroker crank and modified cam, 1962 VW, > 1954 Alfa Romeo Zagato Coupe(Ex Monte Carlo), 1963 Porsche 911, 1954 Porsche > pre-A coupe, 1964 Porsche 356, 1982 Porsche 911 Targa, 1980 BMW 320i, 1970 > Porsche 914-6(still son's car). 1978 Buick . 1984 Mercedes 230, 1988 Mercedes > E300, 1994 Mercedes 280, 2001 Mercedes 320 CLK, 1984 Audi Quattro, 1994 Audi > S6, 1999 Audi TT (early one), 2001 Audi TT 185 HP Quattro, 2001 Audi TT 225 > HP Quattro, 1947 MGTC(21 years and still here), 1929 MG M type, 11 years and > still here, finally a 1930 MG M Type chassis and running gear with many > baskets of parts to be assembled, maybe..... I said "MAYBE"........ > BOB

[Badger]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Gillam" > The Badgerman asks: > >Anybody here even know what a Super 2 is? > Well, can't say I know what it is but I saw one in this month's issue of Classic Car. Plug-ugly little thing...worse than a Daimler 250 which was described in R & T as resembling "a great bug-eyed, swamp-living, bottom-feeding, sludge-sucking eel". I guess they hadn't seen the Super 2 yet. Gene Well it grows on you. It's an aquired taste. Like Scotch. Like sushi. Like fried eel. It does not always appeal to the catholic taste. Badge

[David Lodge]

Gary, Love Moggies and I have to agree; especially about the Jowett Jupiter! Very interesting mechanically, but surely the ugliest car ever made? Regards, David Lodge

> I've been somewhat disappointed by the recent Moggie bashing on this list as > a result of Charles Hill's decision to sell one of his TC's to buy a +4. It > is everyone's right to have his own opinions and preferences. I'm not > surprised to hear that some of you don't like Morgans. But just because you > don't want one doesn't make them bad sports cars. I've never owned a Morgan > or even driven one, but I've always liked them. I'd never trade my TC for > one, but I'd certainly choose one over a TD. And why would anyone want two > TC's rather than a TC and a Morgan? It's like having two steaks on your > plate rather than a steak and a lobster tail (yeah, I know some don't like > lobsters OR Morgans). > > I believe our cars have more in common with Morgans than differences, and > Morgan owners are a lot like us--some of them are us. How about a bit more > tolerance for other interesting sports cars? I happen to like just about > every British sports car--let's not discuss Jowett Jupiters however. And > even they are interesting, chuffing along on their twin cylinders. I also > like German, Italian, and American sports cars. I'll bet that most members > of this list have interests that range far beyond the MG T-A,B, & C that we > all love so much. > Gary Perser > TC5285 > Tulsa > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[David Lodge]

M. le Blaireau, No, I for one have no idea, but I can scarce hold my breath waiting to find out! Regards, Blenkinsop (aka David Lodge)

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. Knight" > "...........I for one would love to hear about listers' other cars......" > Best wishes Cliff > > I once had a Super 2 that I drove around for about a year and I thought it > was way cool. I'd like to know where it went to. Anybody here even know > what a Super 2 is? > The Badgerman > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[David Lodge]

With respect M. le B; ther is very little boring about a Porche 914 except the engine noise, Blenkinsop

> Bore-ring. (Except maybe the '54 Alfa Zagato). > Badger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R. Zwart" ................. >> I have had a few odd balls: 1926 Master Buick, 1927 Standard Buick coupe, >> 1934 Buick sedan series 40, 1949 MG TC, 1952 Chevy Belaire, 1954 VW >> Supercharged, 1956 VW, with 3/8th stroker crank and modified cam, 1962 > VW, >> 1954 Alfa Romeo Zagato Coupe(Ex Monte Carlo), 1963 Porsche 911, 1954 > Porsche >> pre-A coupe, 1964 Porsche 356, 1982 Porsche 911 Targa, 1980 BMW 320i, > 1970 >> Porsche 914-6(still son's car). 1978 Buick . 1984 Mercedes 230, 1988 > Mercedes >> E300, 1994 Mercedes 280, 2001 Mercedes 320 CLK, 1984 Audi Quattro, 1994 > Audi >> S6, 1999 Audi TT (early one), 2001 Audi TT 185 HP Quattro, 2001 Audi TT > 225 >> HP Quattro, 1947 MGTC(21 years and still here), 1929 MG M type, 11 years > and >> still here, finally a 1930 MG M Type chassis and running gear with many >> baskets of parts to be assembled, maybe..... I said "MAYBE"........ >> BOB > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Sam Suklis]

OK...a few of the interesting "adventures" we've had in earlier model cars: '32 Austin Seven Top-Hat saloon (kept it 26 years) Four TD's, (two '51's, a '52, and a '53). An early sixties Moretti Coupe (forgotten what year it was, but the fastest car I ever owned), 1938 Citroen Avant type-11 shooting-brake, we kept for many years, drove it daily. One of seven built. It still lives here in Albany. '51 Jag MkV saloon, '51 MkV drophead, '52 XK120 coupe, XK 150 drophead, '52 Mercedes 220a cabriolet, '53 Mercedes 300s cabriolet, '53 Mercedes 300D 4-door cabriolet, an early Simca Oceane convertible (with body by Facel-Vega) ..and a mix of early Rovers, Austins and Morris minors of various sizes and shapes. The most memorable being the "sleeper" Morris Minor sedan modified by Bill Hellie to FULL Sebring Sprite specs, including the Lemans long gears. That, and the Moretti were the only two cars I've sold because I feared being thrown in jail if I kept them. You just can't own a car like that and resist the impulse to stomp on it once in a while...and my luck dictates there's ALWAYS a policeman coming around the corner at just that moment. Funny thing: larger "fast cars" never affected me that way. It's just the "tiny" ones that go fast that bring out the worst impulse to go like the wind. Unfulfilled yen for a Morgan never realized..and after reading the recent dialogues, I now think maybe that perhaps that's just as well. The Ghia convertible and the TD are still in residence, as we eagerly await the arrival of the '49 TC, still not here. (sigh) Sam.

----- Original Message ----- From: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net> To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG's & Morgans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Gillam" > > The Badgerman asks: > > >Anybody here even know what a Super 2 is? > > > Well, can't say I know what it is but I saw one in this month's issue of > Classic Car. Plug-ugly little thing...worse than a Daimler 250 which was > described in R & T as resembling "a great bug-eyed, swamp-living, > bottom-feeding, sludge-sucking eel". I guess they hadn't seen the Super 2 > yet. > Gene > > Well it grows on you. It's an aquired taste. Like Scotch. Like sushi. > Like fried eel. It does not always appeal to the catholic taste. > Badge > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >