shield fogs up?

[ron criswell]

Sent from my iPad I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 mph a few times with no head ripoff although maybe the Arai is better at higher speeds....stay tuned. The outside visor as not a problem lifting up if I wanted to due to a kind of lip built into the bottom of the visor to push up on I assume. The dark inside visor was not a problem to operate. It is push button operated. Both helmets have the motocross type look. The Arai you can run with goggles after flipping the shield up. Not sure yet on the Bilt but think you probably can. Stay tuned on fogging issues. It was in the mid 80's here today so fogging isn't a worry at those temps. The Arai is Snell and DOT approved. The Bilt only DOT. Not sure if this is an issue. I had a cheap BUCO helmet in the early seventies that saved my head during a head plant. This was after local riders were tossing their BUCO's after two area road racers were killed using that brand. There has been some arguments on which is safer....DOT approved or Snell because of stiffness in the outer shell. Maybe one is better at lower speeds or gravel/ dirt roads and the better at higher speed paved. On sale the Bilt was $500 cheaper than the Arai. Opinions anyone??? Criswell

[Glenn Sturley]

Hi All, I have had HJC helmets for over 8 years and find they are comfortable and reasonably priced. Good rain protection and breathability. They still fogup and are quite noisy in the wind, however, in most instances have served well. The main issue with helmets as far as protection is concerned is their ability to distribute the forces of impact. The reason is the compressing of the brain itself inside the cranium. If the forces aren't distributed sufficiently then the brain detaches internally. There have been many instances where riders have died with hardly a mark on them. Secondary is the helmets ability to withstand an accident without shattering or wearing through the outer shell. An Australian inventor spent over 20 years perfecting a better helmet. Check this site for more information. http://www.coneheadhelmets.com.au/ I have yet to see these in any motorcycle shop here in Oz, but would be very interested in seeing if it's other attributes are up to scratch. Of all the properties of helmets, apart from the impact protection, I find the comfort,noise and fog factors to be the next most important. Wind noise is distressing and prolonged exposure to high levels of noise can damage hearing much like industrial deafness. As with all things buying a new helmet is a compromise but as I heard said once, "How much is your head worth?" Regards Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

Well both the Bilt and the Arai are vented well just for that reason. It is not like riding with a regular Motocross type helmet. 80 mph is not problem especially if you kind of keep your head sorta down. The Arai may be better for that but too early to say. The guy that sold me the Arai said it s good for 100 mph. I think you might like the visor in early or late day sun. Me I am sold on the visor concept plus the inner button operated dark visor on the Bilt I think I am gonna love. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:44 PM, mark ward wrote: > SHUT UP!!..............Bragging about 80"s, It been 38-40 all day here. LOL (ENJOY IT!!!) > The "visor" I want to know about at speed it the "sun visor" Like the bill on a ball cap, Does IT, Catch wind? > > Sticking out there, (like the klr's F. fender) it looks like it would CATCH alot of air at Speeds above 35+-. > > > --- On Thu, 11/1/12, Ron Criswell wrote: > > From: Ron Criswell > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > To: > Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:50 PM > > > > Sent from my iPad > I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 mph a few times with no head ripoff although maybe the Arai is better at higher speeds....stay tuned. The outside visor as not a problem lifting up if I wanted to due to a kind of lip built into the bottom of the visor to push up on I assume. The dark inside visor was not a problem to operate. It is push button operated. Both helmets have the motocross type look. The Arai you can run with goggles after flipping the shield up. Not sure yet on the Bilt but think you probably can. > > Stay tuned on fogging issues. It was in the mid 80's here today so fogging isn't a worry at those temps. > > The Arai is Snell and DOT approved. The Bilt only DOT. Not sure if this is an issue. I had a cheap BUCO helmet in the early seventies that saved my head during a head plant. This was after local riders were tossing their BUCO's after two area road racers were killed using that brand. There has been some arguments on which is safer....DOT approved or Snell because of stiffness in the outer shell. Maybe one is better at lower speeds or gravel/ dirt roads and the better at higher speed paved. On sale the Bilt was $500 cheaper than the Arai. > > Opinions anyone??? > > Criswell > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[SniperOne]

What I've found with the sun visor on my full face Bilt is a lack of optical clarity and an apparent lack of UV A & B filtration. Personally, I'd rather have my Oakley M Frames on for their optical clarity and protection and despense with the snap down Bilt sun shield. The flip side is, I'll need my Oakley's anyway soon as I take the helmet off. I've set aside the Bilt helmets I have and settled into my AFX39 for the time being (and it has some minor faults too), while I ponder the big bucks for an Arai AD4 or Shoei Hornet. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original Message----- From: Ron Criswell Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:09 PM To: mark ward Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test Well both the Bilt and the Arai are vented well just for that reason. It is not like riding with a regular Motocross type helmet. 80 mph is not problem especially if you kind of keep your head sorta down. The Arai may be better for that but too early to say. The guy that sold me the Arai said it s good for 100 mph. I think you might like the visor in early or late day sun. Me I am sold on the visor concept plus the inner button operated dark visor on the Bilt I think I am gonna love. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:44 PM, mark ward wrote: > SHUT UP!!..............Bragging about 80"s, It been 38-40 all day here. LOL (ENJOY IT!!!) > The "visor" I want to know about at speed it the "sun visor" Like the bill on a ball cap, Does IT, Catch wind? > > Sticking out there, (like the klr's F. fender) it looks like it would CATCH alot of air at Speeds above 35+-. > > > --- On Thu, 11/1/12, Ron Criswell wrote: > > From: Ron Criswell > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > To: > Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:50 PM > > > > Sent from my iPad > I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

as I said, Even with GOOD "Costa" sunglass's, when riding into the sun I also flip down the built-in shield. The Costa are great for normal times but that dirrect hit stuff in the morning or evening the extra shading is nice.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, SniperOne wrote: From: SniperOne Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test To: "Ron Criswell" , "KLR List" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:26 AM What I've found with the sun visor on my full face Bilt is a lack of optical clarity and an apparent lack of UV A & B filtration. Personally, I'd rather have my Oakley M Frames on for their optical clarity and protection and despense with the snap down Bilt sun shield. The flip side is, I'll need my Oakley's anyway soon as I take the helmet off. I've set aside the Bilt helmets I have and settled into my AFX39 for the time being (and it has some minor faults too), while I ponder the big bucks for an Arai AD4 or Shoei Hornet. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original Message----- From: Ron Criswell Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:09 PM To: mark ward Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test Well both the Bilt and the Arai are vented well just for that reason. It is not like riding with a regular Motocross type helmet. 80 mph is not problem especially if you kind of keep your head sorta down. The Arai may be better for that but too early to say. The guy that sold me the Arai said it s good for 100 mph. I think you might like the visor in early or late day sun. Me I am sold on the visor concept plus the inner button operated dark visor on the Bilt I think I am gonna love. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:44 PM, mark ward wrote: > SHUT UP!!..............Bragging about 80"s, It been 38-40 all day here. LOL (ENJOY IT!!!) > The "visor" I want to know about at speed it the "sun visor" Like the bill on a ball cap, Does IT, Catch wind? > > Sticking out there, (like the klr's F. fender) it looks like it would CATCH alot of air at Speeds above 35+-. > > > --- On Thu, 11/1/12, Ron Criswell wrote: > > From: Ron Criswell > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > To: > Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:50 PM > > > > Sent from my iPad > I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

No can do Oakley's. Me need prescription lens to read my gauges (and road signs). Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:26 AM, SniperOne wrote: > What I've found with the sun visor on my full face Bilt is a lack of optical clarity and an apparent lack of UV A & B filtration. > > Personally, I'd rather have my Oakley M Frames on for their optical clarity and protection and despense with the snap down Bilt sun shield. > > The flip side is, I'll need my Oakley's anyway soon as I take the helmet off. > > I've set aside the Bilt helmets I have and settled into my AFX39 for the time being (and it has some minor faults too), while I ponder the big bucks for an Arai AD4 or Shoei Hornet. > > Randy > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Criswell > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:09 PM > To: mark ward > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > > Well both the Bilt and the Arai are vented well just for that reason. It is not like riding with a regular Motocross type helmet. 80 mph is not problem especially if you kind of keep your head sorta down. The Arai may be better for that but too early to say. The guy that sold me the Arai said it s good for 100 mph. I think you might like the visor in early or late day sun. Me I am sold on the visor concept plus the inner button operated dark visor on the Bilt I think I am gonna love. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:44 PM, mark ward wrote: > > > SHUT UP!!..............Bragging about 80"s, It been 38-40 all day here. LOL (ENJOY IT!!!) > > The "visor" I want to know about at speed it the "sun visor" Like the bill on a ball cap, Does IT, Catch wind? > > > > Sticking out there, (like the klr's F. fender) it looks like it would CATCH alot of air at Speeds above 35+-. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/1/12, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > From: Ron Criswell > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > > To: > > Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:50 PM > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

Need glass to read gages? Get "OPTX20/20" Turns your glass's into Bifocals, You WILL LOVE THEM these small stick-on's do NOT use adhisive, jus a few drops of water. (NOT perminent, but hold WELL, NO harm to glass's) TRIM to fit your glass's better, I took about 1/3 off the bottom, so they took up less normal veiw. I use +1.50 power to read the gages and GPS. 1 of graingers part #'s 2MU10 (exchange 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 for more power, 150-300 Granigers are $12-$14 Amozone charged $29.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Ron Criswell wrote: From: Ron Criswell Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test To: "SniperOne" Cc: "KLR List" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 12:29 PM No can do Oakley's. Me need prescription lens to read my gauges (and road signs). Criswell Sent from my iPad On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:26 AM, SniperOne wrote: > What I've found with the sun visor on my full face Bilt is a lack of optical clarity and an apparent lack of UV A & B filtration. > > Personally, I'd rather have my Oakley M Frames on for their optical clarity and protection and despense with the snap down Bilt sun shield. > > The flip side is, I'll need my Oakley's anyway soon as I take the helmet off. > > I've set aside the Bilt helmets I have and settled into my AFX39 for the time being (and it has some minor faults too), while I ponder the big bucks for an Arai AD4 or Shoei Hornet. > > Randy > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Criswell > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:09 PM > To: mark ward > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > > Well both the Bilt and the Arai are vented well just for that reason. It is not like riding with a regular Motocross type helmet. 80 mph is not problem especially if you kind of keep your head sorta down. The Arai may be better for that but too early to say. The guy that sold me the Arai said it s good for 100 mph. I think you might like the visor in early or late day sun. Me I am sold on the visor concept plus the inner button operated dark visor on the Bilt I think I am gonna love. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:44 PM, mark ward wrote: > > > SHUT UP!!..............Bragging about 80"s, It been 38-40 all day here. LOL (ENJOY IT!!!) > > The "visor" I want to know about at speed it the "sun visor" Like the bill on a ball cap, Does IT, Catch wind? > > > > Sticking out there, (like the klr's F. fender) it looks like it would CATCH alot of air at Speeds above 35+-. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/1/12, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > From: Ron Criswell > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Helmet road test > > To: > > Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 9:50 PM > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[achesley43@ymail.com]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, SniperOne wrote:

> > What I've found with the sun visor on my full face Bilt is a lack of optical clarity and an apparent lack of UV A & B filtration. > > > Randy >

I found the same problem with my HJC slide down sun visor a few years back. Had a hard time reading my GPS though it. Finally sold the hat really cheap to a friend whom needed a hat for his boat in the cold weather.

[James W. Flower]

Yes, the Fog City products work very well. They don't fog, and you don't need a special "pinlock" shield to use them. Two downsides: they decrease your field of view, because they don't cover the whole shield. And at night they make streetlights and such grow rays, like the star of bethlehem is often depicted. It's distracting. I just bought a similar product from a different company, it's bigger so peripheral vision will improve, but I don't know about the starring. I'll look for it and report the source.

[Jud]

Five hunnert bucks will buy you a lot of Gas/tires/Dillyburgers/Bulleit Rye. It would go a long way toward paying for a Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle. I love my XD, but I know it doesn't protect my head six times better than the Bilt. Or even four times better, which is what I actually had to pay for my last XD, a bit cheaper than the one I bought eight years ago. If I needed a helmet right now, I would sure try out the Bilt at that price.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > I just went on a 40 mile jaunt with my new Bilt Explorer dual sport helmet. Got it up to 80 mph a few times with no head ripoff although maybe the Arai is better at higher speeds....stay tuned. The outside visor as not a problem lifting up if I wanted to due to a kind of lip built into the bottom of the visor to push up on I assume. The dark inside visor was not a problem to operate. It is push button operated. Both helmets have the motocross type look. The Arai you can run with goggles after flipping the shield up. Not sure yet on the Bilt but think you probably can. > > Stay tuned on fogging issues. It was in the mid 80's here today so fogging isn't a worry at those temps. > > The Arai is Snell and DOT approved. The Bilt only DOT. Not sure if this is an issue. I had a cheap BUCO helmet in the early seventies that saved my head during a head plant. This was after local riders were tossing their BUCO's after two area road racers were killed using that brand. There has been some arguments on which is safer....DOT approved or Snell because of stiffness in the outer shell. Maybe one is better at lower speeds or gravel/ dirt roads and the better at higher speed paved. On sale the Bilt was $500 cheaper than the Arai. > > Opinions anyone??? > > Criswell >