radiator warning / suggestion

[Bogdan Swider]

On the subject of faux oil filters: Another way to think you're filtering your oil when you're not is.... to forget to periodically replace the grommets on a reusable filter. They get hard and don't seal. Don't ask how I know. Part # 92071-101 if you're into part numbers or.....find a friend that still uses the paper filter and is anal about oil changes. Bogdan

[Ian Francisco]

What is the ramification of oil filter grommets that don't seal well? Loss of oil pressure? or maybe just a portion of the oil escaping filtration? In any case I'd like to see some testing comparing the permanent metal oil filter to some conventional paper element filters. Size of particles allowed to pass in microns, flow rate, etc. It may be that the metal filter doesn't do a good enough job of filtering to even warrant concern over the grommets. Questions for you Bogdan: How dirty does it get? How much crud gets trapped by it between oil changes? -- Ian Francisco http://www.scarletfuries.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 Ages ago I purchased a reusable oil filter from Fred. I did that so I didn't have to carry filters on long trips. It's paid for itself needless to say. There is one problem: The grommets get hard over time - after a few oil changes. The parts lady at the local dealer we get along - found a bag of grommets; I think they were ten; they were not cheap nor expensive.I believe I'm down to my last one. Some opinion that the grommets not sealing is not a big deal however it makes me nervous. Anyone know of an after market source for grommets ? Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[k650@verizon.net]

Loss of oil pressure? No. Just a portion of the oil escaping filtration? Yes. Walt -----Original Message----- What is the ramification of oil filter grommets that don't seal well? Loss of oil pressure? or maybe just a portion of the oil escaping filtration? In any case I'd like to see some testing comparing the permanent metal oil filter to some conventional paper element filters. Size of particles allowed to pass in microns, flow rate, etc. It may be that the metal filter doesn't do a good enough job of filtering to even warrant concern over the grommets. Questions for you Bogdan: How dirty does it get? How much crud gets trapped by it between oil changes? -- Ian Francisco

[Bogdan Swider]

Of course their literature presented data that said it filters better than paper. I don't notice any difference between it and paper as far as crud, metal shavings etc. Bogdan

On 10/2/12 1:59 PM, "Ian Francisco" wrote: >What is the ramification of oil filter grommets that don't seal well? Loss >of oil pressure? or maybe just a portion of the oil escaping filtration? >In >any case I'd like to see some testing comparing the permanent metal oil >filter to some conventional paper element filters. Size of particles >allowed to pass in microns, flow rate, etc. It may be that the metal >filter >doesn't do a good enough job of filtering to even warrant concern over the >grommets. Questions for you Bogdan: How dirty does it get? How much crud >gets trapped by it between oil changes? >-- >Ian Francisco >http://www.scarletfuries.com >http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > >Ages ago I purchased a reusable oil filter from Fred. I did that so I >didn't have to carry filters on long trips. It's paid for itself >needless >to say. There is one problem: The grommets get hard over time - after a >few oil changes. The parts lady at the local dealer we get along - found >a bag of grommets; I think they were ten; they were not cheap nor >expensive.I believe I'm down to my last one. Some opinion that the >grommets >not sealing is not a big deal however it makes me nervous. Anyone know of >an after market source for grommets ? > > Bogdan > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com >Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map >Group Apps: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! >Groups Links > > > > >

[Eddie]

Ian, Using the existing K&N/HiFlo grommets - the check valve pipe can almost fall through the filter. With OEM or Fram grommets, it's a light press fit. I'd rather have all the oil passing through a filter. The chances are remote that a stray piece of debris could get by the loose grommets. But, I'm a bit paranoid where oil filtration is concerned. =) eddie

> [Original Message] > From: Ian Francisco > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 10/2/2012 3:59:52 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Oil filter grommets > > What is the ramification of oil filter grommets that don't seal well? Loss > of oil pressure? or maybe just a portion of the oil escaping filtration?

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> any case I'd like to see some testing comparing the permanent metal oil > filter to some conventional paper element filters. Size of particles > allowed to pass in microns, flow rate, etc. It may be that the metal

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> doesn't do a good enough job of filtering to even warrant concern over the > grommets. Questions for you Bogdan: How dirty does it get? How much crud > gets trapped by it between oil changes? > -- > Ian Francisco

[Shane]

I use the steel filters in my KTM's and KLR's. The grommets fit tighter than the paper elements I have used. Can't say they do a better job as filtration goes, not sure as I don't leave it in there long enough to get dirty. Magnetic plug usually comes out with a dusting of stuff. My personal reason for using the steel filters is because of the engines being water cooled. Should you ever have a leak in the WP, that paper filter does the same thing wet as a brick. One of my customers wasn't convinced and ran his LC4 with paper. The WP seal leaked and packed up the filter. That mistake cost him the bike. Sadly he ended up with a GS after that. I didn't want to pop his pride, but the bike did it for me in the end. He is back on a trusty KLR again!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > > Ian, > Using the existing K&N/HiFlo grommets - the check valve pipe can almost > fall through the filter. > With OEM or Fram grommets, it's a light press fit. > I'd rather have all the oil passing through a filter. The chances are > remote that a stray piece of debris > could get by the loose grommets. But, I'm a bit paranoid where oil > filtration is concerned. > =) > eddie > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Ian Francisco > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 10/2/2012 3:59:52 PM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Oil filter grommets > > > > What is the ramification of oil filter grommets that don't seal well? Loss > > of oil pressure? or maybe just a portion of the oil escaping filtration? > In > > any case I'd like to see some testing comparing the permanent metal oil > > filter to some conventional paper element filters. Size of particles > > allowed to pass in microns, flow rate, etc. It may be that the metal > filter > > doesn't do a good enough job of filtering to even warrant concern over the > > grommets. Questions for you Bogdan: How dirty does it get? How much crud > > gets trapped by it between oil changes? > > -- > > Ian Francisco >

[Bogdan Swider]

Also, in my experience the klr grommets from the dealer seal well and remain pliable for 2 or 3 oil changes. Bogdan, who buys grommets but not granola From: eddie > Reply-To: "transalp1@..." > Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:52 PM To: KLR650 list DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Oil filter grommets Ian, Using the existing K&N/HiFlo grommets - the check valve pipe can almost fall through the filter. With OEM or Fram grommets, it's a light press fit. I'd rather have all the oil passing through a filter. The chances are remote that a stray piece of debris could get by the loose grommets. But, I'm a bit paranoid where oil filtration is concerned. =) eddie

> [Original Message] > From: Ian Francisco > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 10/2/2012 3:59:52 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Oil filter grommets > > What is the ramification of oil filter grommets that don't seal well? Loss > of oil pressure? or maybe just a portion of the oil escaping filtration?

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> any case I'd like to see some testing comparing the permanent metal oil > filter to some conventional paper element filters. Size of particles > allowed to pass in microns, flow rate, etc. It may be that the metal

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> doesn't do a good enough job of filtering to even warrant concern over the > grommets. Questions for you Bogdan: How dirty does it get? How much crud > gets trapped by it between oil changes? > -- > Ian Francisco

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[Bill Watson]

Eddie, Sorry for the late reply - I check this mail pretty rarely anymore (monthly). I also had the exact thing happen to my radiator long, long ago - maybe around 30,000 miles on the bike. I took it to a local aircraft welding shop right by the airport. They're not as cheap as others, but the guys are GOOD. That's thin aluminum. They welded a simple bead on the joint for $25 and I was on my way. It has never been a problem since, and I'm past 86,000 miles now. If your epoxy leaks, this solution seems to be permanent. Bill Watt-man.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]