my oil burning problem. facts!

[mark ward]

DIDO, I pack EXTRA, but it always seems, I use some of what I thought I would not need, and not use some of what I thought was a MUST. Some friends in my street riding/dualsport club (Ridmotorcycle.com) Pac little to nothing, Then ALWAYS NEED TO "BORROW" Something. Yet BITCH that I carry to much. I asked one guy, ut what if you need ######?? His responce,...... I always, get by as a minimalist, (NO tools, straps, NO Food, ETC ETC. BESIDE'S, IF I REALY NEED ANYTHING, SOMEONE ELSE!!!!.... USUALY HAS, WHAT WHAT EVER I MAY NEED. I just started telling him (them) NOPE, I Don't have "IT",.... this ride, I started taking YOUR ADVISE. (SHHHH. I have 3 in my side bag.) 1 refuses to evn get saddle bags. "mess's up the LOOK up My bike" So every trip he has others haul his shit.

--- On Mon, 4/2/12, Ron Criswell wrote: From: Ron Criswell Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: My Travel List? Yours???? To: "achesley43@..." Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:41 PM I carry a Starbucks bottled Mocha and a bag of Corn Nuts (breakfast of Champions). Cheetos and a Coke will work in a pinch. I have various surfer/ mermaids icons zip tied to my handlebars to ward off flats. I have a Milagro Cross that I carry if things look dicey and deer are around. Seriously, I carry waaaay too much stuff in my tailbag. I could probably do an engine tare down on the side of the road. I don't carry too much clothes like undies. Dogs like me. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:36 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > > > There has been some talk on this newsgroup about long trip so I post below my Travel List. How does it compare to yours? Note that I brake down what I carry based on the rooms in a house. > > > > > So, what do you carry? > > > > Eddie > > > I keep mine simple. Don't camp no more, stopped that at 62 years old, so all that stuff is out. > Tank Bag W/ > Map of area > water bag, tube and bite valve > notebook and a couple ball points > Camera > .380 Auto > ear plugs > mp3 player with ear buds > > Top box gets > Chain lube > Tool kit > Tire repair kit and pump > umbrella > rain gear > assorted stuff > > One Givi bag gets 2 pair of jeans > 3 t shirts > 2 long sleeve t shirts > 2 pair of shorts > 2 pair of socks > ( Wash the shorts and socks and t shirts every night and dry them in the micro wave inthe room when available. > > One Givi bag get electric vest and gloves with wiring > shoes > laptop computer > 2 towels > assorted stuff. > > on the handle bars > radar detector > GPS > > generally use motel laundry services about once a week when available. > Carry about the same stuff on either bike The KLR or the 1250S bandit. Just soft saddlebags on the KLR vs PLX givi on the Bandit. > > Andy Chesley > Jennings, La. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

PS. The "MINALIST" has even showed up a couple of times with a friend, And do to his bike having the TINY little "Bitch seat" and as we meet up, Then gets others to take her on there bike.

--- On Mon, 4/2/12, mark ward wrote: From: mark ward Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re:My Travel List? Yours???? & "THERE'S" To: "achesley43@..." , "Ron Criswell" Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 1:22 PM DIDO, I pack EXTRA, but it always seems, I use some of what I thought I would not need, and not use some of what I thought was a MUST. Some friends in my street riding/dualsport club (Ridmotorcycle.com) Pac little to nothing, Then ALWAYS NEED TO "BORROW" Something. Yet BITCH that I carry to much. I asked one guy, ut what if you need ######?? His responce,...... I always, get by as a minimalist, (NO tools, straps, NO Food, ETC ETC. BESIDE'S, IF I REALY NEED ANYTHING, SOMEONE ELSE!!!!.... USUALY HAS, WHAT WHAT EVER I MAY NEED. I just started telling him (them) NOPE, I Don't have "IT",.... this ride, I started taking YOUR ADVISE. (SHHHH. I have 3 in my side bag.) 1 refuses to evn get saddle bags. "mess's up the LOOK up My bike" So every trip he has others haul his shit. --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Ron Criswell wrote: From: Ron Criswell Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: My Travel List? Yours???? To: "achesley43@..." Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:41 PM I carry a Starbucks bottled Mocha and a bag of Corn Nuts (breakfast of Champions). Cheetos and a Coke will work in a pinch. I have various surfer/ mermaids icons zip tied to my handlebars to ward off flats. I have a Milagro Cross that I carry if things look dicey and deer are around. Seriously, I carry waaaay too much stuff in my tailbag. I could probably do an engine tare down on the side of the road. I don't carry too much clothes like undies. Dogs like me. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:36 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > > > There has been some talk on this newsgroup about long trip so I post below my Travel List. How does it compare to yours? Note that I brake down what I carry based on the rooms in a house. > > > > > So, what do you carry? > > > > Eddie > > > I keep mine simple. Don't camp no more, stopped that at 62 years old, so all that stuff is out. > Tank Bag W/ > Map of area > water bag, tube and bite valve > notebook and a couple ball points > Camera > .380 Auto > ear plugs > mp3 player with ear buds > > Top box gets > Chain lube > Tool kit > Tire repair kit and pump > umbrella > rain gear > assorted stuff > > One Givi bag gets 2 pair of jeans > 3 t shirts > 2 long sleeve t shirts > 2 pair of shorts > 2 pair of socks > ( Wash the shorts and socks and t shirts every night and dry them in the micro wave inthe room when available. > > One Givi bag get electric vest and gloves with wiring > shoes > laptop computer > 2 towels > assorted stuff. > > on the handle bars > radar detector > GPS > > generally use motel laundry services about once a week when available. > Carry about the same stuff on either bike The KLR or the 1250S bandit. Just soft saddlebags on the KLR vs PLX givi on the Bandit. > > Andy Chesley > Jennings, La. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

In the states, or even in Europe, if you need it you can buy it. Not bike parts, necessarily, but in many cases it is true. Bring Visa and you're golden! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/2/2012 6:22 AM, mark ward wrote: > > DIDO, I pack EXTRA, but it always seems, I use some of what I thought > I would not need, and not use some of what I thought was a MUST. > > Some friends in my street riding/dualsport club (Ridmotorcycle.com) > Pac little to nothing, Then ALWAYS NEED TO "BORROW" Something. Yet > BITCH that I carry to much. > > I asked one guy, ut what if you need ######?? > His responce,...... I always, get by as a minimalist, (NO tools, > straps, NO Food, ETC ETC. > > BESIDE'S, IF I REALY NEED ANYTHING, SOMEONE ELSE!!!!.... USUALY HAS, > WHAT WHAT EVER I MAY NEED. > > I just started telling him (them) NOPE, I Don't have "IT",.... this > ride, I started taking YOUR ADVISE. > (SHHHH. I have 3 in my side bag.) > > 1 refuses to evn get saddle bags. "mess's up the LOOK up My bike" So > every trip he has others haul his shit. > > > --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Ron Criswell > wrote: > > From: Ron Criswell > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: My Travel List? Yours???? > To: "achesley43@... " > > > Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com " > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:41 PM > > > > I carry a Starbucks bottled Mocha and a bag of Corn Nuts (breakfast of > Champions). Cheetos and a Coke will work in a pinch. I have various > surfer/ mermaids icons zip tied to my handlebars to ward off flats. I > have a Milagro Cross that I carry if things look dicey and deer are > around. > > Seriously, I carry waaaay too much stuff in my tailbag. I could > probably do an engine tare down on the side of the road. > > I don't carry too much clothes like undies. Dogs like me. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:36 AM, "achesley43@... > " > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "eddie" wrote: > > > > > > There has been some talk on this newsgroup about long trip so I > post below my Travel List. How does it compare to yours? Note that I > brake down what I carry based on the rooms in a house. > > > > > > > > So, what do you carry? > > > > > > Eddie > > > > > I keep mine simple. Don't camp no more, stopped that at 62 years > old, so all that stuff is out. > > Tank Bag W/ > > Map of area > > water bag, tube and bite valve > > notebook and a couple ball points > > Camera > > .380 Auto > > ear plugs > > mp3 player with ear buds > > > > Top box gets > > Chain lube > > Tool kit > > Tire repair kit and pump > > umbrella > > rain gear > > assorted stuff > > > > One Givi bag gets 2 pair of jeans > > 3 t shirts > > 2 long sleeve t shirts > > 2 pair of shorts > > 2 pair of socks > > ( Wash the shorts and socks and t shirts every night and dry them in > the micro wave inthe room when available. > > > > One Givi bag get electric vest and gloves with wiring > > shoes > > laptop computer > > 2 towels > > assorted stuff. > > > > on the handle bars > > radar detector > > GPS > > > > generally use motel laundry services about once a week when available. > > Carry about the same stuff on either bike The KLR or the 1250S > bandit. Just soft saddlebags on the KLR vs PLX givi on the Bandit. > > > > Andy Chesley > > Jennings, La. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

Get out west Iowa, or even in the U.P. Michigan, Some areas, 80+ miles to a gas station/store etc. 2 of my friends always laugh that I carry a Dual tire repair kit. (plug& patch) Asking WHEN is the last time you had a flat??? Then one day, I pointed out, HEY JIM, your back tire is VERY low. (a screw) I accualy left the kit on the KLR, I was on the BMW. LOL BUT ALL 7 OF US, HAD A SHITTY 5hrs WAITING FOR HIM. (wait for towing, the shop ect.) Plug kit?.....20min's+-

--- On Mon, 4/2/12, RobertWichert wrote: From: RobertWichert Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re:My Travel List? Yours???? & "THERE'S" To: "mark ward" Cc: "achesley43@..." , "Ron Criswell" , "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 1:36 PM In the states, or even in Europe, if you need it you can buy it. Not bike parts, necessarily, but in many cases it is true. Bring Visa and you're golden! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/2/2012 6:22 AM, mark ward wrote: > > DIDO, I pack EXTRA, but it always seems, I use some of what I thought > I would not need, and not use some of what I thought was a MUST. > > Some friends in my street riding/dualsport club (Ridmotorcycle.com) > Pac little to nothing, Then ALWAYS NEED TO "BORROW" Something. Yet > BITCH that I carry to much. > > I asked one guy, ut what if you need ######?? > His responce,...... I always, get by as a minimalist, (NO tools, > straps, NO Food, ETC ETC. > > BESIDE'S, IF I REALY NEED ANYTHING, SOMEONE ELSE!!!!.... USUALY HAS, > WHAT WHAT EVER I MAY NEED. > > I just started telling him (them) NOPE, I Don't have "IT",.... this > ride, I started taking YOUR ADVISE. > (SHHHH. I have 3 in my side bag.) > > 1 refuses to evn get saddle bags. "mess's up the LOOK up My bike" So > every trip he has others haul his shit. > > > --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Ron Criswell > wrote: > > From: Ron Criswell > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: My Travel List? Yours???? > To: "achesley43@... " > > > Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com " > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:41 PM > > > > I carry a Starbucks bottled Mocha and a bag of Corn Nuts (breakfast of > Champions). Cheetos and a Coke will work in a pinch. I have various > surfer/ mermaids icons zip tied to my handlebars to ward off flats. I > have a Milagro Cross that I carry if things look dicey and deer are > around. > > Seriously, I carry waaaay too much stuff in my tailbag. I could > probably do an engine tare down on the side of the road. > > I don't carry too much clothes like undies. Dogs like me. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:36 AM, "achesley43@... > " > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "eddie" wrote: > > > > > > There has been some talk on this newsgroup about long trip so I > post below my Travel List. How does it compare to yours? Note that I > brake down what I carry based on the rooms in a house. > > > > > > > > So, what do you carry? > > > > > > Eddie > > > > > I keep mine simple. Don't camp no more, stopped that at 62 years > old, so all that stuff is out. > > Tank Bag W/ > > Map of area > > water bag, tube and bite valve > > notebook and a couple ball points > > Camera > > .380 Auto > > ear plugs > > mp3 player with ear buds > > > > Top box gets > > Chain lube > > Tool kit > > Tire repair kit and pump > > umbrella > > rain gear > > assorted stuff > > > > One Givi bag gets 2 pair of jeans > > 3 t shirts > > 2 long sleeve t shirts > > 2 pair of shorts > > 2 pair of socks > > ( Wash the shorts and socks and t shirts every night and dry them in > the micro wave inthe room when available. > > > > One Givi bag get electric vest and gloves with wiring > > shoes > > laptop computer > > 2 towels > > assorted stuff. > > > > on the handle bars > > radar detector > > GPS > > > > generally use motel laundry services about once a week when available. > > Carry about the same stuff on either bike The KLR or the 1250S > bandit. Just soft saddlebags on the KLR vs PLX givi on the Bandit. > > > > Andy Chesley > > Jennings, La. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[T2M]

Famous last words. *Why* the heck am I carrying that? Followed about a month or two later by damn I knew I shouldn t have taken that out. Murphy kills me. If I leave it in I hardly ever need it. Yep, I over pack in a big way. But then again I changed the chain and sprockets in Maryland Big 6 Motel parking lot. I had might as well go whole hog. Bought the countershaft sprocket from Fred two or three months earlier on the trip while in Moab. Really thought it would get back to FL. Oops. Have fun -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark ward Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:12 AM To: RobertWichert Cc: achesley43@...; Ron Criswell; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re:My Travel List? Yours???? & "THERE'S" Get out west Iowa, or even in the U.P. Michigan, Some areas, 80+ miles to a gas station/store etc. 2 of my friends always laugh that I carry a Dual tire repair kit. (plug& patch) Asking WHEN is the last time you had a flat??? Then one day, I pointed out, HEY JIM, your back tire is VERY low. (a screw) I accualy left the kit on the KLR, I was on the BMW. LOL BUT ALL 7 OF US, HAD A SHITTY 5hrs WAITING FOR HIM. (wait for towing, the shop ect.) Plug kit?.....20min's+-

--- On Mon, 4/2/12, RobertWichert wrote: From: RobertWichert Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re:My Travel List? Yours???? & "THERE'S" To: "mark ward" Cc: "achesley43@..." , "Ron Criswell" , "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 1:36 PM In the states, or even in Europe, if you need it you can buy it. Not bike parts, necessarily, but in many cases it is true. Bring Visa and you're golden! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/2/2012 6:22 AM, mark ward wrote: > > DIDO, I pack EXTRA, but it always seems, I use some of what I thought > I would not need, and not use some of what I thought was a MUST. > > Some friends in my street riding/dualsport club (Ridmotorcycle.com) > Pac little to nothing, Then ALWAYS NEED TO "BORROW" Something. Yet > BITCH that I carry to much. > > I asked one guy, ut what if you need ######?? > His responce,...... I always, get by as a minimalist, (NO tools, > straps, NO Food, ETC ETC. > > BESIDE'S, IF I REALY NEED ANYTHING, SOMEONE ELSE!!!!.... USUALY HAS, > WHAT WHAT EVER I MAY NEED. > > I just started telling him (them) NOPE, I Don't have "IT",.... this > ride, I started taking YOUR ADVISE. > (SHHHH. I have 3 in my side bag.) > > 1 refuses to evn get saddle bags. "mess's up the LOOK up My bike" So > every trip he has others haul his shit. > > > --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Ron Criswell > wrote: > > From: Ron Criswell > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: My Travel List? Yours???? > To: "achesley43@... " > > > Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com " > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:41 PM > > > > I carry a Starbucks bottled Mocha and a bag of Corn Nuts (breakfast of > Champions). Cheetos and a Coke will work in a pinch. I have various > surfer/ mermaids icons zip tied to my handlebars to ward off flats. I > have a Milagro Cross that I carry if things look dicey and deer are > around. > > Seriously, I carry waaaay too much stuff in my tailbag. I could > probably do an engine tare down on the side of the road. > > I don't carry too much clothes like undies. Dogs like me. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:36 AM, "achesley43@... > " > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "eddie" wrote: > > > > > > There has been some talk on this newsgroup about long trip so I > post below my Travel List. How does it compare to yours? Note that I > brake down what I carry based on the rooms in a house. > > > > > > > > So, what do you carry? > > > > > > Eddie > > > > > I keep mine simple. Don't camp no more, stopped that at 62 years > old, so all that stuff is out. > > Tank Bag W/ > > Map of area > > water bag, tube and bite valve > > notebook and a couple ball points > > Camera > > .380 Auto > > ear plugs > > mp3 player with ear buds > > > > Top box gets > > Chain lube > > Tool kit > > Tire repair kit and pump > > umbrella > > rain gear > > assorted stuff > > > > One Givi bag gets 2 pair of jeans > > 3 t shirts > > 2 long sleeve t shirts > > 2 pair of shorts > > 2 pair of socks > > ( Wash the shorts and socks and t shirts every night and dry them in > the micro wave inthe room when available. > > > > One Givi bag get electric vest and gloves with wiring > > shoes > > laptop computer > > 2 towels > > assorted stuff. > > > > on the handle bars > > radar detector > > GPS > > > > generally use motel laundry services about once a week when available. > > Carry about the same stuff on either bike The KLR or the 1250S > bandit. Just soft saddlebags on the KLR vs PLX givi on the Bandit. > > > > Andy Chesley > > Jennings, La. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links

[Eddie]

Even Charley & Ewan had a moment of that in a room somewhere deep into Russia. They threw out bags of stuff! eddie

> [Original Message] > From: T2M >Snip) > Famous last words. *Why* the heck am I carrying that? >

[mark ward]

Performed "FLAWLESSLY"? IF, you call going AIR-BORN, Flawless, ....Hold it wait,.... that may have been operaters error. I put aprox 7,500 miles on MY 650 stock engine, in Sept. then rode Johns 685 in jan., for a week, And besides the washboard roads, & DEAD mans trail, and one trail that looked like an AVALANCHE of rocks (4"-18") ETC, ETC., also Going AIRBORN a few times,(YEE HA) and with several miles of very smooth paved roads, (to feel the differance, to get to each trail. I can Attest to his 685 being a smooooother engine, PS. My shim's were just done days before my sept. trip, so at peak performance.

--- On Sat, 4/7/12, John Biccum wrote: From: John Biccum Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] My oil burning problem. To: "'RobertWichert'" Cc: "'Jeff Saline'" , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 1:18 AM The first question that Cary (the developer of the 685) asked me when I told him I had mine running on the prototype piston was how is the vibration? Cary hypothesized that the lower reciprocating mass would make the engine vibrate less. He was right it is MUCH smoother. Aside from the lower fuel economy I noticed only one other modest downside of the 685: a slight decrease in engine braking capacity. I had expected that a bigger piston would improve engine braking but Cary enlightened me that it s the mass not the diameter that provides the engine braking. BTW, my bike has 30,711 miles on the new piston, 25,386 on the oversize valves and 64,406 miles on the bike. It still doesn t burn oil, still is a reliable as rain and still puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. The KLR has been displaced as my commute scoot by an ABS bike better suited to rainy weather commuting amongst Seattle s insane cagers. But the bike picked up 1,100 miles in Death Valley a couple of weeks ago and performed flawlessly. From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@...] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:09 PM To: John Biccum Cc: 'Jeff Saline'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My oil burning problem. That's huge, really. Almost 20% reduction in weight. I wonder what a light conn rod would do. Can you spell Titanium? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/5/2012 9:19 PM, John Biccum wrote: Here is the weight of the stocker and the Schnitz 685 piston: http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/KLR-Engine/1030345_GkQXLx#!i=49977402 http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/KLR-Engine/1030345_GkQXLx#%21i=49977402&k=axpdH> &k=axpdH JE s claimed weight confirmed with an appropriate scale, I weighed the (new OEM replacement) piston on the same scale. My (pre-production) 685 piston was not Moly-coated like the production 685s pistons are but I don t think that coating weighs anything worth mentioning. From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:08 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] My oil burning problem. Jeff, 70 g is significant. If you know the weight of the stock piston, please enlighten (HA!) me. Percentage change would be nice to know, but 70 g is certainly a benefit. If that better matches the balancer, then there you go! I have been told (I forget who said it) that you should always "use the thinnest gasket to get the highest compression to see the most gains". This is perfectly reasonable. If you look at the difference in displacement, 685/650, it's about 5% larger. Since there aren 't larger valves (there aren't are there?) and no porting is involved (there isn't, right?) and the redline doesn't go up, the HP is going to go up by 5%. 5% may be something you can feel, just maybe. Let's say the KLR is 40 HP stock, for argument. A 5% increase is 2 HP. Can you feel 2 HP? Yeah, maybe a little, but maybe not. It will be less at lower RPM, so any "it's the mid range where you really feel it" isn't going to make sense given the inputs. At mid range it's going to be 1 HP, maybe, and probably not enough to notice. Torque is HP divided by RPM, so getting more torque with more displacement is a given, but the torque curve isn't going to change unless you change the cam, the valves, the airbox (stock is probably higher midrange torque), or the exhaust (stock is probably higher midrange torque). So any idea that "midrange torque is much better" is also probably not going to match the inputs. 5% is all you are going to get with just displacement. Compression could increase that 2 HP to 5 HP, maybe. That's enough to feel, I think. You can play around with that here: http://www.bgsoflex.com/crchange.html . Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2012 9:31 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:00:57 -0700 RobertWichert > > writes: >> Some have said the increase in compression when doing the 685 made >> most of the power difference. That makes tremendous sense. >> Smoothness? I don't know where that would come from. Is there any >> improvement to the balancer? It could be lighter piston / rod. Are >> they lighter? >> >> Robert P. Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > <><><><><> > <><><><><> > > Robert, > > I think I've heard the 685 piston is about 70+ grams lighter than a stock > piston. There has also been discussion on another KLR forum that maybe > the engine was set up as a KLR600 originally and when it was made into > the KLR650 the only thing that changed was the displacement/top end. No > change to the balancer system or crankshaft etc. > > I don't know that the compression ratio is much different from a stock > KLR650. You can do a variety of base gaskets when doing the 685 with > 0.020" being the norm and 0.010" being high compression and 0.020" plus > 0.010" for a total of 0.030" being a bit low on compression but maybe > needed for really poor fuel quality. > > The power increase doesn't seem to be a big selling point with the 685 > set up. What many folks speak about is the reduction of perceived > vibration and correcting oil use issues. I think the oil use issue fix > might be the more popular reason for doing the 685 kit. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > __________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f7d20cc6eb066d5aest03vuc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]