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[Reverend]

I have a crack in the filter in the tank on the petcock. The dealer says "order the whole petcock at $65" which seemed outrageous even to them. Does anyone know of an alternative to replace the filter(s) cheaply, or at least easily? Reverend - unfiltered in Denver

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Reverend" wrote:

> > I have a crack in the filter in the tank on the petcock. The dealer says > "order the whole petcock at $65" which seemed outrageous even to them. > > Does anyone know of an alternative to replace the filter(s) cheaply,

or at

> least easily?

Put an inline screen-type filter in your fuel line immediately below the petcock, and ignore the in-tank filter?

[Reverend]

A worthwhile idea and I like it. Simple. Cheap. However, I am a bit concerned by the lack of room (or length-of-hose if you will) between tank and carb. I'll take another look in the morning. Thanks, Rev

> -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of E.L. Green > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Reverend" wrote: > > Does anyone know of an alternative to replace the filter(s) cheaply, > or at least easily? > > Put an inline screen-type filter in your fuel line immediately below > the petcock, and ignore the in-tank filter?

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Reverend" wrote: > > > > I have a crack in the filter in the tank on the petcock. The

dealer says

> > "order the whole petcock at $65" which seemed outrageous even to them. > > > > Does anyone know of an alternative to replace the filter(s) cheaply, > or at > > least easily? > > Put an inline screen-type filter in your fuel line immediately below > the petcock, and ignore the in-tank filter? >

I use a Visu-Filter FF-401C which was a tight fit but works well with no hose kinking. They now make a right angle design, which I think others on this list use and is available thru Fred. For more info.: http://visufilter.com/ ED

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 8:13 AM +0000 7/20/08, E.L. Green wrote:

>Put an inline screen-type filter in your fuel line immediately below >the petcock, and ignore the in-tank filter?

Yup, that's what I do, regardless of whether-or-not the petcock strainers are present. One of my KLRs was completely missing the petcock reserve strainer. No biggie. Mark

[rockiedog2]

Rev I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the line between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the time I had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run out...I assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure was inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was back to normal. Anybody else had this problem? Joe --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> > At 8:13 AM +0000 7/20/08, E.L. Green wrote: > >Put an inline screen-type filter in your fuel line immediately below > >the petcock, and ignore the in-tank filter? > > Yup, that's what I do, regardless of whether-or-not the petcock > strainers are present. One of my KLRs was completely missing the > petcock reserve strainer. No biggie. > > Mark >

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Reverend" wrote:

> > A worthwhile idea and I like it. Simple. Cheap. > However, I am a bit concerned by the lack of room (or length-of-hose

if you

> will) between tank and carb. I'll take another look in the morning.

I went to a dirt bike shop and bought a "disk" type screen filter. It is a flat disk with a tang on the top from the tank an offset tang at the end for the hose to the carb. So there is a tiny piece of hose (just long enough for both tangs) between the tank and the filter, then the rest of the hose from the filter to the gas tank. I've had this (or its predecessor filters) on my bike for four years now and 20,000 miles with no problem. I think the filters cost something like $2.50 apiece and I replace it once a year just on general principle (lets me see whether the fuel line is rotting or anything too). This isn't a "real" fuel filter by any means, it's just a screen like is in the petcock, but it's a nice little backup in case that screen got punctured last time I did a R&I on the petcock or in case some deposit inside the petcock itself comes loose. The KLR doesn't have enough "head" (distance from tank to carb) for a real fuel filter, alas. But then, dirt and grit that can make it through a screen don't do anything to our primitive carb anyhow, they just pass right through the jets or settle out in the float bowl (so drain your float bowl from time to time, y'hear?!).

> > -----Original Message----- > > Behalf Of E.L. Green > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Reverend" wrote: > > > Does anyone know of an alternative to replace the filter(s) cheaply, > > or at least easily? > > > > Put an inline screen-type filter in your fuel line immediately below > > the petcock, and ignore the in-tank filter? >

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 3:12 PM +0000 7/20/08, rockiedog2 wrote:

>Rev > >I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the line >between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the time I >had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run out...I >assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure was >inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was back to >normal. Anybody else had this problem?

Those tiny sintered filters can clog up pretty quickly in my experience. I've had success back-flushing them in a pinch, but I prefer using a larger lawn-mower-type filter now. These are available at WalMart, Pep-Boys, etc. No need to get any motorcycle-specific one from a moto shop. Mark

[Dail]

Auto Zone fuel filter number FF3311 is an idea filter for a KLR, tall low restriction, right angle outlet, $3.09 +tax

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" To: "rockiedog2" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: petcock fuel filter? > At 3:12 PM +0000 7/20/08, rockiedog2 wrote: >>Rev >> >>I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the line >>between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the time I >>had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run out...I >>assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure was >>inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was back to >>normal. Anybody else had this problem? > > Those tiny sintered filters can clog up pretty quickly in my > experience. I've had success back-flushing them in a pinch, but I > prefer using a larger lawn-mower-type filter now. These are available > at WalMart, Pep-Boys, etc. No need to get any motorcycle-specific one > from a moto shop. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 > 12:59 PM > >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Rev > > I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the line > between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the time

I

> had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run

out...I

> assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure

was

> inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was back

to

> normal. Anybody else had this problem? > > Joe >

Joe, I am glad you asked. My A-15 'stored' 25 miles of gas when it had a cone-shaped filter installed. Jeff Saline had the identical filter, bought off the same card at the BMW dealer in Sturgis...no problems. shrug. (stored gas=a lot more fuel than you would think was in the tank at the next fill up. ie it took only 4.8 gallons after running ~10 miles on reserve.) I immediately went to the tractor store and change the fuel line! After two heave-ho's to get to the double secret reserve, I was through with that filter. Fast forward, 4 years. My recently purchased A-12 had a red-canister with a stone filter installed; guess what! It also stored gas--except the performance was even worse! It would not allow you to smoothly switch to reserve without coming to a complete stop--and then cranking, cranking, cranking. When it ran out of fuel on "main", it was like turning of the lights. Absolutely no warning. This past week, the dumb beast ran out of gas (I knew I had forgotten to remove the filter, cough, and it reminded me ~4 miles from home. Home I went, and to the tractor store for fuel line. While it was so low on fuel, I thought I would look in the tank. sort of like, "if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question"....sigh. Rust? No. Missing short straw on the petcock. fritz. Off with the tank, drain the fuel into a measured container; 1 gallon, 3 pts! !WHAT!! That is nuts. I am sure to kill that filter now. Two bikes, identical performance on the filters. Long story short: 1/4 inch fuel line (metric 7mm would have been better) install, short straw on the petcock chased down ~30 minutes later, the tank, petcock and straws installed, and the fuel back in the tank. Guess how far it went before going to reserve? Joe you got the answer there! about a total of 25 miles. Driving the final ~8 miles to the shell station after switching to reserve, (filter removed) it took exactly 5 gallons of fuel. Fuel filters are a nice idea, but they don't work for me, in my own application of long distances between gas stations. If I go to Mexico, then I will reinstall the filters (carried on both bikes) and lug around a gallon of fuel I cannot use. As a side bar note: where the short straw lay in the tank, there is a ''stain', could be rust started, definitely was some reaction, likely due to moisture trapped between the loose straw and the tank. YMMV, but the next time you are low on fuel, shine a flashlight in the hole. Mark V.Horn said he had gone for some time without a petcock straw-- had I not found my petcock straw, I would have reinstalled the filter. It was really annoying to have the fuel-filtered bike go to reserve at 157 miles (the first time (big head winds, heavy throttle), and then cough, cough, cough and run at only ~55mph because it could not transfer enough fuel to run 65. The second time I hit reserve was at 188 miles--but it would still not pull more than 55mph without cough, cough, cough--even dying a second time. Even coasting with the engine engaged, neither time did the vaccum petcock allow the fuel to drain. Note: If you remove the petcock and want to drain the fuel--use a big funnel. No, use a BIGer funnel, cause it isn't all going to go in the 'lil 6" funnel--however, it will go on your shoe, shop floor and on your pants. you might say, the whole thing was a 'gas'. revmaaatin. no fuel filters for me.