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[Gary LaRue]

Say gang, I was reading the one about changing tires with tire irons. Truth is, I am in a place where I can afford to pay someone to do this for me when I am at home. OK, but what about repairs in the field? Now, I am still essentially a virgin for any serious dirt-road riding but it seems to me that carrying a can of leak sealant and an air compressor would be good enough for normal puncture type leaks. This would obviously not work for a rock gash in the side wall. I would suppose that a change of tube would be good enough to get back to civilization with, but maybe not if the side wall is tore up bad enough. I intend to do my riding on fairly good Forrest Service roads not the deep gnarly stuff, but that does not mean I can never seriously wreck a tube or tire. Driving roads like that in my car would lead me to believe that the chances are pretty low. However, cars are not motorcycles, and I am (almost) a virgin. That being said, here are my questions: Assuming a low amount of riding (maybe 3-5 K miles per year?) on pretty good dirt roads with good tires and low to moderate speeds, how often would you suppose I would get a puncture flat? How about a seriously ruined tire/tube? Thanks all; Lash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Gary LaRue wrote:

> > Say gang, I was reading the one about changing tires with tire irons. Truth is, I am in a

place where I can afford to pay someone to do this for me when I am at home. OK, but what about repairs in the field?

> > Now, I am still essentially a virgin for any serious dirt-road riding but it seems to me

that carrying a can of leak sealant and an air compressor would be good enough for normal puncture type leaks. This would obviously not work for a rock gash in the side wall. I would suppose that a change of tube would be good enough to get back to civilization with, but maybe not if the side wall is tore up bad enough. I intend to do my riding on fairly good Forrest Service roads not the deep gnarly stuff, but that does not mean I can never seriously wreck a tube or tire. Driving roads like that in my car would lead me to believe that the chances are pretty low. However, cars are not motorcycles, and I am (almost) a virgin. That being said, here are my questions:

> > Assuming a low amount of riding (maybe 3-5 K miles per year?) on pretty good dirt

roads with good tires and low to moderate speeds, how often would you suppose I would get a puncture flat? How about a seriously ruined tire/tube?

>

It's not about the likelihood, it's how you respond to the certainty that it will happen someday. If you ride close enough to home to call for help, perhaps it doesn't matter. Beyond that, the main reason to carry a repair kit is karmic prophylaxis. if you are prepared, you won't have a flat. The beauty of this approach is that, even if your karma deserts you, you can still fix the tire.

[Jeff Saline]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Gary LaRue writes:

> Say gang, I was reading the one about changing tires with tire irons. > Truth is, I am in a place where I can afford to pay someone to do > this for me when I am at home. OK, but what about repairs in the > field? > > Now, I am still essentially a virgin for any serious dirt-road > riding but it seems to me that carrying a can of leak sealant and an > air compressor would be good enough for normal puncture type leaks. > This would obviously not work for a rock gash in the side wall. I > would suppose that a change of tube would be good enough to get back > to civilization with, but maybe not if the side wall is tore up bad > enough. I intend to do my riding on fairly good Forrest Service > roads not the deep gnarly stuff, but that does not mean I can never > seriously wreck a tube or tire. Driving roads like that in my car > would lead me to believe that the chances are pretty low. However, > cars are not motorcycles, and I am (almost) a virgin. That being > said, here are my questions: > > Assuming a low amount of riding (maybe 3-5 K miles per year?) on > pretty good dirt roads with good tires and low to moderate speeds, > how often would you suppose I would get a puncture flat? How about > a seriously ruined tire/tube? > > Thanks all; > > Lash

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Lash, I'm with Jud on this. I believe in the saying that the difference between adventure and adversity is attitude. I have the attitude that being prepared will make whatever my experience is more pleasant. I have some adventures but not much adversity in my life. : ) I carry tire irons, an air compressor, patch supplies, a spare regular thickness front and rear tube (yes I know you can stuff the wrong tube in a tire and keep going. You can also stuff it with grass or clothes I suppose but I'm not interested in doing that either. ) and I use heavy duty or ultra-heavy duty tubes in my Kenda K270 tires. I've never had problems with a heavy duty or ultra-heavy duty tube either in the dirt or on pavement even with full touring loads at 65 mph on 100+ degree days for hours on end. When touring I carry a tire wizard that makes breaking the bead easy. (If anyone has one for sale I'm interested. They've been out of production for a few years now and are pretty hard to get.) I also carry the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket when touring as you can put a wheel on/in it and protect the rotor and it's easier to keep dirt out of the bearings. The bucket bottom can also be used to collect drained oil, used as a sink to clean air filters with No Toil products or clean up after a meal. When stored it is a hard container of sorts that can help protect fragile items in a soft saddlebag. It doesn't take up much room when packed with stuff. On De Tour in Wyoming near the Hole in the Wall, Steve got a flat in an almost new rear tire riding on a gravel road. It was a sheet metal screw about 1 1/2 or 2 inches long that got him on a freshly graded road surface. A week later the patch came undone in Arizona about 3 miles from his brother-in-laws ranch. That was after some hot roads at speed the day before. We fixed it by swapping tubes, pinching the tube and checking both air compressors to make sure they worked. Then putting in our last fresh rear tube and being very careful to not pinch it. : ) Two days later we swapped four tires in the barn as we swapped parts from his old bike to the bike he bought in the middle of the tour. Knowing how to change a tire and patch a tube in my estimation makes the ride a lot more enjoyable. I never worry about flats as I know I can handle whatever comes up. That flat fix in a can really makes a mess when you change a tire. It makes an even worse mess if it doesn't work the first time. Slime is also messy. If you've put a product like that in a tire make sure you tell the shop that is gonna get stuck fixing the tire. I've still got a green stain on my shop floor from slinging the stuff all over the place when I pulled out a torn tube and didn't know it had been slimed. Don't surprise a tire tech with a goop filled tube. Oh, once you've used slime or fix a flat you probably won't be able to get a patch to stick to the tube. So then you have to have another tube. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Michael Nelson]

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 03:40:49PM -0600, Jeff Saline wrote:

> That flat fix in a can really makes a mess when you change a tire. It > makes an even worse mess if it doesn't work the first time. Slime is > also messy. If you've put a product like that in a tire make sure you > tell the shop that is gonna get stuck fixing the tire. I've still got a > green stain on my shop floor from slinging the stuff all over the place > when I pulled out a torn tube and didn't know it had been slimed. Don't > surprise a tire tech with a goop filled tube.

We used to charge a $25 cleanup fee when some idiot used that stuff. -- "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die." -- Mel Brooks San Francisco, CA

[Andrus Chesley]

> > Assuming a low amount of riding (maybe 3-5 K miles per year?) on

pretty good dirt roads with good tires and low to moderate speeds, how often would you suppose I would get a puncture flat? How about a seriously ruined tire/tube?

>

Wow! There are so many varibles to that answer. Probably the best answer is when you least expect it. I've cut the heck out of some tires playing in Big Bend, West Texas and a Lot of Arkansas and never got a flat. Go down a good easy gravel road here at home in Louisiana just to ride about and get 2 in one day. Go figure? I carry a patch kit, spare tube, 3 tire irons, slime electric and hand pumps plus tie wraps just in case. Andy in Louisiana

[a14@att.net]

> Copper does not react with hydrochloric acid. > Now, if it's a post 1982 penny, which has a zinc core, and the > surface of the penny is compromised (scratched to expose the zinc), > the HCL will react with the zinc, producing zinc chloride and a > non-dangerous quantity of hydrogen gas, leaving a thin copper foil > shell behind, which still looks like a penny (basically a > hollowed-out penny). This reaction is very slow (due to the small > exposed surface area, basically takes several hours) and no quantity > of chlorine gas is produced. > > Mark >

I know where you can get a beef and bean burrito that when mixed with beer produces a killer gas. Walt