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[ocpianoman]

I guess metaphysics doesn't mix with KLR riding, paychecks and beer very well, but to be fair, the topic WAS labeled NKLR giving those people who aren't interested an opportunity to delete before reading. If you have kids though, what the future holds for them may be of some interest to you. You can bet we'll see gasoline go up to $10/gal. or more before we die. We might even see the last drop of dino juice get sucked out of the ground in our lifetimes. I'll bet most of us will care about that! It'll be interesting, the thread will be "synthetic vs. soy" instead of talking about dino juice. If the govt. would spend some more money on developing sustainable renewable energy and less on warfare we just might be able to slow down the inevitable End of Oil, which is predicted to occur around 2040, based on current usage patterns. I plan on being alive in 2040, maybe just barely but that year will the year I turn 83. I want a diesel KLR that smells like French Fries and gets 100mpg on WVO. Soon, but at what price? $20k for any KLR is bit steep at the moment. BTW - change your oil every 1500 miles or so if you want the motor to last. Bike motors like clean oil, so do the trannies. Synthetic doesn't break down like dino but it gets just as dirty. The oil is usually considered dirty after about 300 miles of street riding. Some people change their bike's oil every 500 miles, some wait until 2500 or 3000 miles. Opinions vary greatly. Oh I got it, it was sarcasm. Doh! But, aren't oil threads getting boring yet? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Stottlemyer" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "telemark06" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "When you are worthy" > > wrote: > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261 > > > > > Scarry or exciting? Whatever...things are changing, can you feel it? > > More importantly the world may experience a major change soon. One > > important date is Dec 21 2012 as the Myan calander ends. Other > > cultures have indicated this date as a Major event. > > I believe in the Planet X or Nibiru theroy...circles earth every 3600 > > years and wreaks havock. I think everyone should know this theory as > > it helps explain alot and fills in the gaps. > > If 20% of us are left after 2012 then obviously a one world > government > > would form. Where would the second coming take place? > > > > Well I believe that my relative crawled out from undre rocks. and with > that I believe I'll have another beer. > > I'll put it to you this way. If the bible is correct I can't change it > so I don't care. > If the X planet theory is correct I can't change it so I don't care. > If the Jews wind up controlling the universe and putting an end to > Christmass > . I can't change it so quess what.... You got it!! I don't care. All I > do care about is my paycheck, My toys, my beer, and my girl friend IN > THAT ORDER. > PS > How long should I let my oil go im my bike and is synthetic better the > Dino juice? > Just thought I'd throw that in. > Kerry >

[ocpianoman]

I forgot to mention that we can certainly have a bit of control over our future if we'll start using oil and energy responsibly, meaning, don't fire up those V-8s unless absolutely necessary, turn off a few lights, don't throw plastic or metal into the landfill, use cloth towels instead of paper, think solar and green instead of "I don't care" - you get the picture. Change begins at home, right between our ears and behind our eyes. If a little voice whispers in your ear, that's the voice of your conscience, and some believe it comes from God or whatever you want to call it, higher intelligence, etc., and it doesn't often shout, so pay attention when it whispers. Beer is good for temporarily silencing that little voice if needed. And no, you can't have any of what I'm smoking I prefer to hug trees rather than burn 'em or turn 'em into toilet paper - and proud of it. Don't get me wrong, I wipe after sitting in the oval office, but if I were sitting in a different Oval Office in DC you'd hear the same story. Thanks for reading this - I'll step down from the soapbox now.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "ocpianoman" wrote: > > I guess metaphysics doesn't mix with KLR riding, paychecks and beer > very well, but to be fair, the topic WAS labeled NKLR giving those > people who aren't interested an opportunity to delete before reading. > If you have kids though, what the future holds for them may be of some > interest to you. You can bet we'll see gasoline go up to $10/gal. or > more before we die. We might even see the last drop of dino juice get > sucked out of the ground in our lifetimes. I'll bet most of us will > care about that! It'll be interesting, the thread will be "synthetic > vs. soy" instead of talking about dino juice. If the govt. would spend > some more money on developing sustainable renewable energy and less on > warfare we just might be able to slow down the inevitable End of Oil, > which is predicted to occur around 2040, based on current usage > patterns. I plan on being alive in 2040, maybe just barely but that > year will the year I turn 83. I want a diesel KLR that smells like > French Fries and gets 100mpg on WVO. Soon, but at what price? $20k for > any KLR is bit steep at the moment. > > BTW - change your oil every 1500 miles or so if you want the motor to > last. Bike motors like clean oil, so do the trannies. Synthetic > doesn't break down like dino but it gets just as dirty. The oil is > usually considered dirty after about 300 miles of street riding. Some > people change their bike's oil every 500 miles, some wait until 2500 > or 3000 miles. Opinions vary greatly. > > Oh I got it, it was sarcasm. Doh! But, aren't oil threads getting > boring yet? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Stottlemyer" > wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "telemark06" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "When you are worthy" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261 > > > > > > > Scarry or exciting? Whatever...things are changing, can you feel it? > > > More importantly the world may experience a major change soon. One > > > important date is Dec 21 2012 as the Myan calander ends. Other > > > cultures have indicated this date as a Major event. > > > > > > > Well I believe that my relative crawled out from undre rocks. and with > > that I believe I'll have another beer. > > > > I'll put it to you this way. If the bible is correct I can't change it > > so I don't care. > > If the X planet theory is correct I can't change it so I don't care. > > If the Jews wind up controlling the universe and putting an end to > > Christmass > > . I can't change it so quess what.... You got it!! I don't care. All I > > do care about is my paycheck, My toys, my beer, and my girl friend IN > > THAT ORDER. > > PS > > How long should I let my oil go im my bike and is synthetic better the > > Dino juice? > > Just thought I'd throw that in. > > Kerry > > >

[Ronald Criswell]

Ditto on the Diesel KLR. I don't understand why Kawasaki doesn't pursue that. I guess they think gringos want nothing but big fast machines. If gas gets to $10 a gallon, there will be a mad rush to something like that. I just wish the government had an energy policy and not one run by the oil companies. Understandably some in business do need a big truck for toting and hauling but even at that, diesel pickups of a few years back got much better milage (30 mpg or so) but because of the horsepower battle of the big Detroit trucks. And smaller Japanese or same size Japanese don't get that great milage either. I wish urban commuters would get smart and buy ..... something like the Smart car ... or scooters ..... or KLR's to commute with. I rented a diesel Renault last year in France I know got around 40 mpg going all up and down the Pyrenees. I understand the USA is the Saudi of coal. Greenies don't like coal. I am waiting for a solution from greenies. Greenies don't like wind generators because they kill birds (which are sprouting in west Texas like wildflowers). Ultra liberals like Walter Chronkite don't want off shore wind generators spoiling his view at Cape Cod. Boo hoo! Californians and Floridians don't want off shore drilling a long their coasts. Texas has had offshore rigs forever and while we may get a tar ball here and there and maybe our coast isn't as scenic as California still oil has been good for Texas. France gets 80 per cent of their electricity from Nuclear. Some are afraid of Nuke. Folks if we don't get off the Middle East oil teat, we may get a rude awaking some day and maybe soon. Criswell (who longs for the days when as a kid, I could fill my Cushman and Vespa with gas that was 18.9 cents a gallon in Texas)

On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:46 PM, ocpianoman wrote: > I guess metaphysics doesn't mix with KLR riding, paychecks and beer > very well, but to be fair, the topic WAS labeled NKLR giving those > people who aren't interested an opportunity to delete before reading. > If you have kids though, what the future holds for them may be of some > interest to you. You can bet we'll see gasoline go up to $10/gal. or > more before we die. We might even see the last drop of dino juice get > sucked out of the ground in our lifetimes. I'll bet most of us will > care about that! It'll be interesting, the thread will be "synthetic > vs. soy" instead of talking about dino juice. If the govt. would spend > some more money on developing sustainable renewable energy and less on > warfare we just might be able to slow down the inevitable End of Oil, > which is predicted to occur around 2040, based on current usage > patterns. I plan on being alive in 2040, maybe just barely but that > year will the year I turn 83. I want a diesel KLR that smells like > French Fries and gets 100mpg on WVO. Soon, but at what price? $20k for > any KLR is bit steep at the moment. > > BTW - change your oil every 1500 miles or so if you want the motor to > last. Bike motors like clean oil, so do the trannies. Synthetic > doesn't break down like dino but it gets just as dirty. The oil is > usually considered dirty after about 300 miles of street riding. Some > people change their bike's oil every 500 miles, some wait until 2500 > or 3000 miles. Opinions vary greatly. > > Oh I got it, it was sarcasm. Doh! But, aren't oil threads getting > boring yet? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Stottlemyer" > wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "telemark06" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "When you are worthy" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261 > > > > > > > Scarry or exciting? Whatever...things are changing, can you > feel it? > > > More importantly the world may experience a major change soon. One > > > important date is Dec 21 2012 as the Myan calander ends. Other > > > cultures have indicated this date as a Major event. > > > I believe in the Planet X or Nibiru theroy...circles earth > every 3600 > > > years and wreaks havock. I think everyone should know this > theory as > > > it helps explain alot and fills in the gaps. > > > If 20% of us are left after 2012 then obviously a one world > > government > > > would form. Where would the second coming take place? > > > > > > > Well I believe that my relative crawled out from undre rocks. and > with > > that I believe I'll have another beer. > > > > I'll put it to you this way. If the bible is correct I can't > change it > > so I don't care. > > If the X planet theory is correct I can't change it so I don't care. > > If the Jews wind up controlling the universe and putting an end to > > Christmass > > . I can't change it so quess what.... You got it!! I don't care. > All I > > do care about is my paycheck, My toys, my beer, and my girl > friend IN > > THAT ORDER. > > PS > > How long should I let my oil go im my bike and is synthetic > better the > > Dino juice? > > Just thought I'd throw that in. > > Kerry > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jt5231@hotmail.com]

>>I am waiting for a solution from greenies.

Leaving aside the pejorative implications of the word "greenie," I'll propose this solution: How about conservation? During the fuel crisis of the 1970s, drivers buckled down and conserved. They drove less overall, switched to more fuel-efficient vehicles, and used mass transit. And prices came down. It was a solution that worked for both market-oriented capitalists and "greenies" alike. Dick Cheney would have us believe otherwise, but conservation works. JT CC: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com To: ocpianoman@... From: roncriswell@... Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:47:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Ditto on the Diesel KLR. I don't understand why Kawasaki doesn't pursue that. I guess they think gringos want nothing but big fast machines. If gas gets to $10 a gallon, there will be a mad rush to something like that. I just wish the government had an energy policy and not one run by the oil companies. Understandably some in business do need a big truck for toting and hauling but even at that, diesel pickups of a few years back got much better milage (30 mpg or so) but because of the horsepower battle of the big Detroit trucks. And smaller Japanese or same size Japanese don't get that great milage either. I wish urban commuters would get smart and buy ..... something like the Smart car ... or scooters ..... or KLR's to commute with. I rented a diesel Renault last year in France I know got around 40 mpg going all up and down the Pyrenees. I understand the USA is the Saudi of coal. Greenies don't like coal. I am waiting for a solution from greenies. Greenies don't like wind generators because they kill birds (which are sprouting in west Texas like wildflowers). Ultra liberals like Walter Chronkite don't want off shore wind generators spoiling his view at Cape Cod. Boo hoo! Californians and Floridians don't want off shore drilling a long their coasts. Texas has had offshore rigs forever and while we may get a tar ball here and there and maybe our coast isn't as scenic as California still oil has been good for Texas. France gets 80 per cent of their electricity from Nuclear. Some are afraid of Nuke. Folks if we don't get off the Middle East oil teat, we may get a rude awaking some day and maybe soon. Criswell (who longs for the days when as a kid, I could fill my Cushman and Vespa with gas that was 18.9 cents a gallon in Texas)

On Dec 5, 2007, at 3:46 PM, ocpianoman wrote: > I guess metaphysics doesn't mix with KLR riding, paychecks and beer > very well, but to be fair, the topic WAS labeled NKLR giving those > people who aren't interested an opportunity to delete before reading. > If you have kids though, what the future holds for them may be of some > interest to you. You can bet we'll see gasoline go up to $10/gal. or > more before we die. We might even see the last drop of dino juice get > sucked out of the ground in our lifetimes. I'll bet most of us will > care about that! It'll be interesting, the thread will be "synthetic > vs. soy" instead of talking about dino juice. If the govt. would spend > some more money on developing sustainable renewable energy and less on > warfare we just might be able to slow down the inevitable End of Oil, > which is predicted to occur around 2040, based on current usage > patterns. I plan on being alive in 2040, maybe just barely but that > year will the year I turn 83. I want a diesel KLR that smells like > French Fries and gets 100mpg on WVO. Soon, but at what price? $20k for > any KLR is bit steep at the moment. > > BTW - change your oil every 1500 miles or so if you want the motor to > last. Bike motors like clean oil, so do the trannies. Synthetic > doesn't break down like dino but it gets just as dirty. The oil is > usually considered dirty after about 300 miles of street riding. Some > people change their bike's oil every 500 miles, some wait until 2500 > or 3000 miles. Opinions vary greatly. > > Oh I got it, it was sarcasm. Doh! But, aren't oil threads getting > boring yet? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Stottlemyer" > wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "telemark06" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "When you are worthy" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261 > > > > > > > Scarry or exciting? Whatever...things are changing, can you > feel it? > > > More importantly the world may experience a major change soon. One > > > important date is Dec 21 2012 as the Myan calander ends. Other > > > cultures have indicated this date as a Major event. > > > I believe in the Planet X or Nibiru theroy...circles earth > every 3600 > > > years and wreaks havock. I think everyone should know this > theory as > > > it helps explain alot and fills in the gaps. > > > If 20% of us are left after 2012 then obviously a one world > > government > > > would form. Where would the second coming take place? > > > > > > > Well I believe that my relative crawled out from undre rocks. and > with > > that I believe I'll have another beer. > > > > I'll put it to you this way. If the bible is correct I can't > change it > > so I don't care. > > If the X planet theory is correct I can't change it so I don't care. > > If the Jews wind up controlling the universe and putting an end to > > Christmass > > . I can't change it so quess what.... You got it!! I don't care. > All I > > do care about is my paycheck, My toys, my beer, and my girl > friend IN > > THAT ORDER. > > PS > > How long should I let my oil go im my bike and is synthetic > better the > > Dino juice? > > Just thought I'd throw that in. > > Kerry > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Critchley]

The comment about $10 per gallon in 33 years got me thinking. The current price is $3.19 per US gal (average for the US last week). 43 Years ago I was paying 38.9 cents for the 20% larger Imperial gallon in the Province of Quebec, current price of gas in Edmonton is about $4.50 per Imperial gallon. change by a factor of 3 over 34 years predicted, versus change by a factor of about 12 in 43 years measured. Makes me think that the $10 figure is an understatement, unfortunately. Probably due to the Planetexian invasion that is coming up. DC Ronald Criswell wrote:

> Ditto on the Diesel KLR. I don't understand why Kawasaki doesn't > pursue that. I guess they think gringos want nothing but big fast > machines. If gas gets to $10 a gallon, there will be a mad rush to > something like that. I just wish the government had an energy policy > and not one run by the oil companies. Understandably some in business > do need a big truck for toting and hauling but even at that, diesel > pickups of a few years back got much better milage (30 mpg or so) but > > . > >

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[Mike Frey]

Conservation is definitely an issue, but... I've put more miles on my bikes in the past three years than I have my pickup truck. The truck gets 15 mpg. No bike gets less than 45 mpg. I've done my part, I am a tree hugger, and yet I am still skeptical of the theory that global warming is a dire threat. For me, "the debate is far from over" I have an April 2002 issue of Discover Magazine announcing the next Ice Age. I have a March 2006 issue of Time that shows a Polar Bear on a melting ice floe titled BE WORRIED. BE VERY WORRIED. .... Both cannot be correct.

[traderpro2003]

Have no fear. At $4/gal, hydrogen fuel becomes competitive. It's not until you include the benefits of cleaner air (i.e., low healthcare costs) does it make H even more beneficial and competitive. The refiners know what's coming which is why they're all enjoying the high price of oil and not adding refining capacity.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Critchley wrote: > > The comment about $10 per gallon in 33 years got me thinking. The > current price is $3.19 per US gal (average for the US last week). 43 > Years ago I was paying 38.9 cents for the 20% larger Imperial gallon in > the Province of Quebec, current price of gas in Edmonton is about $4.50 > per Imperial gallon. change by a factor of 3 over 34 years predicted, > versus change by a factor of about 12 in 43 years measured. Makes me > think that the $10 figure is an understatement, unfortunately. Probably > due to the Planetexian invasion that is coming up. > > DC > > Ronald Criswell wrote: > > > Ditto on the Diesel KLR. I don't understand why Kawasaki doesn't > > pursue that. I guess they think gringos want nothing but big fast > > machines. If gas gets to $10 a gallon, there will be a mad rush to > > something like that. I just wish the government had an energy policy > > and not one run by the oil companies. Understandably some in business > > do need a big truck for toting and hauling but even at that, diesel > > pickups of a few years back got much better milage (30 mpg or so) but > > > > . > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:\

> >>I am waiting for a solution from greenies. > > Leaving aside the pejorative implications of the word "greenie," I'll propose this solution:

How about conservation? Just in case you don't know this, the U.S. uses less energy today than it used in 1980. Of course, a lot of that is because we've outsourced the energy use of manufacturing to third world nations, but still, buildings are far more efficient today and while today's cars aren't all that efficient compared to Euro-cars, they still make a 1975 Impala look like a gas guzzler. There is more that can be done on the conservation front, but it takes a certain amount of energy to maintain an advanced civilization. And while solar and wind farms are fine in and of themselves especially as peaking sources, neither has the energy density to provide baseline power sufficient to maintain post-industrial civilization, which requires significant energy to transport and recycle resources and their end-products. That leaves coal and nuclear, and given those alternatives, I'd rather clean non-CO2-producing nuclear power than dirty CO2-producing coal power in my back yard. Modern designs like pebble bed reactors are far safer and cheaper to build than the antique military-derived designs currently operating in the United States, and there's no scientific reason not to build them -- just hysteria and paranoia. _E

[Russell Scott]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. R -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of E.L. Green Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:51 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy That leaves coal and nuclear, and given those alternatives, I'd rather clean non-CO2-producing nuclear power than dirty CO2-producing coal power in my back yard. Modern designs like pebble bed reactors are far safer and cheaper to build than the antique military-derived designs currently operating in the United States, and there's no scientific reason not to build them -- just hysteria and paranoia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Dec 5, 2007, at 1:46 PM, ocpianoman wrote:

> It'll be interesting, the thread will be "synthetic > vs. soy" instead of talking about dino juice.

Heck, I can start that debate today, as I just took delivery of a gallon of this plant-based motor oil: http://www.renewablelube.com/products/pdf/Bio-Synthetic%20HD%20SHP%20SAE%2040%20Motor%20Oil.pdf

>

We'll see how well it can handle the massive mechanical viscosity shearing that our KLRs produce. So far I haven't found a conventional or synthetic motor oil that can reliably go 3,000 miles in my bike (based on used oil analysis). -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA)