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[Harry Seifert]

For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, There has been a rash of thugging going on in the Tijuana, Rosarito, Ensenada area lately. First report was from some surfers that got pulled over by a black sedan with red and blue lights and siren followed by an unmarked black late model pick up. They got muscled around a little bit and had all of their stuff stolen. The Federales and the Municipal cops said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, with his wife and kids, from the McMillin race team was pulled over by the same assholes and held for 2 hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side road into the mountains and then had their truck, trailer and all of their equipment stolen. They had to walk back down the mountain and were "found" by the local police and escorted to the San Ysidro border. I remember this kind of crap going on about ten years ago at the height of the NarcoWars in Baja. Looks like they're back at it. The details are in todays San Diego Union Tribune. Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! Buddy bseifert71@...

[mbetcher]

This doesn't sound like it's narco-related, because the drug cartels have bigger fish to fry -- and bigger profits to make -- than mugging tourists. It sounds like good old garden-variety crime, maybe a little more creative than before. Although I lived in Mexico for about three years off and on I have little desire to travel there now for the reason you cite. Crime has always been a problem, but at least in the old days it was manageable if you knew the rules and followed reasonable precautions. Now it's open season anywhere and at any time. It's a credit to most Mexicans that they are NOT involved in mugging tourists -- it's the easiest work there is, pretty lucrative, and there is zero chance they'll get caught, much less punished. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" wrote:

> > > For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, > > There has been a rash of thugging going on in the Tijuana, Rosarito, > Ensenada area lately. First report was from some surfers that got

pulled

> over by a black sedan with red and blue lights and siren followed by an > unmarked black late model pick up. They got muscled around a little bit > and had all of their stuff stolen. The Federales and the Municipal cops > said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. > > In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, with his wife and kids,

from the

> McMillin race team was pulled over by the same assholes and held for 2 > hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side road into the mountains

and then

> had their truck, trailer and all of their equipment stolen. They had to > walk back down the mountain and were "found" by the local police and > escorted to the San Ysidro border. I remember this kind of crap

going on

> about ten years ago at the height of the NarcoWars in Baja. Looks like > they're back at it. The details are in todays San Diego Union Tribune. > Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! > > Buddy > bseifert71@... >

[martin glazer]

I had my Honda stolen in Tijuana last year. It took many weeks to get the Insurance straignteded out. I would not dream of driving a Motorcycle down there. Be carefull. --- mbetcher wrote:

> This doesn't sound like it's narco-related, because > the drug cartels > have bigger fish to fry -- and bigger profits to > make -- than mugging > tourists. It sounds like good old garden-variety > crime, maybe a > little more creative than before. > > Although I lived in Mexico for about three years off > and on I have > little desire to travel there now for the reason you > cite. Crime has > always been a problem, but at least in the old days > it was manageable > if you knew the rules and followed reasonable > precautions. Now it's > open season anywhere and at any time. > > It's a credit to most Mexicans that they are NOT > involved in mugging > tourists -- it's the easiest work there is, pretty > lucrative, and > there is zero chance they'll get caught, much less > punished. > > > --- In , "Harry Seifert" > > wrote: > > > > > > For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, > > > > There has been a rash of thugging going on in the > Tijuana, Rosarito, > > Ensenada area lately. First report was from some > surfers that got > pulled > > over by a black sedan with red and blue lights and > siren followed by an > > unmarked black late model pick up. They got > muscled around a little bit > > and had all of their stuff stolen. The Federales > and the Municipal cops > > said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. > > > > In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, with > his wife and kids, > from the > > McMillin race team was pulled over by the same > assholes and held for 2 > > hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side road > into the mountains > and then > > had their truck, trailer and all of their > equipment stolen. They had to > > walk back down the mountain and were "found" by > the local police and > > escorted to the San Ysidro border. I remember > this kind of crap > going on > > about ten years ago at the height of the NarcoWars > in Baja. Looks like > > they're back at it. The details are in todays San > Diego Union Tribune. > > Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! > > > > Buddy > > bseifert71@... > > > > >

[traderpro2003]

I spent 2 months riding throughout Baja last year and had no problems. It's pretty simple in the popular cities...don't leave your bike unattended. If you must, sleep next to it or have the hotel take responsibility for it. Most hotels tell you were to keep it safely and let you know if you need to worry. Most want you to put it in your room! I find this ridiculous, but so are the thieves. Bottom-line...stay out of the cities and experience the real Baja and you won't have to worry. And btw, just leave your bike unattended in LA, Boston or NYC...you'll find the same risk here, too. I've seen cars broken into at the border all the time...while standing next to an officer with an M16 that did nothing. Ditto in Boston when someone cutaway a bag I had locked to my moto. There were witnesses that saw it and told a cop in Dunkin Donuts. The thief actually came into the store like nothing happened...even talked to the cop! The Dunkin clerk said, "He was messing with that bike...maybe stole something." The cop responded with, "How do I know it's not his bike?" What an idiot. I found out all this when I went to my bike after work and the Dunkin clerk came out to apologize...worthless Boston police. If he would have asked for his id???? Geeez...anyway, it's not Baja, it's thieves in general.... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, martin glazer wrote:

> > I had my Honda stolen in Tijuana last year. It took > many weeks to get the Insurance straignteded out. I > would not dream of driving a Motorcycle down there. Be > carefull. > > > --- mbetcher wrote: > > > This doesn't sound like it's narco-related, because > > the drug cartels > > have bigger fish to fry -- and bigger profits to > > make -- than mugging > > tourists. It sounds like good old garden-variety > > crime, maybe a > > little more creative than before. > > > > Although I lived in Mexico for about three years off > > and on I have > > little desire to travel there now for the reason you > > cite. Crime has > > always been a problem, but at least in the old days > > it was manageable > > if you knew the rules and followed reasonable > > precautions. Now it's > > open season anywhere and at any time. > > > > It's a credit to most Mexicans that they are NOT > > involved in mugging > > tourists -- it's the easiest work there is, pretty > > lucrative, and > > there is zero chance they'll get caught, much less > > punished. > > > > > > --- In , "Harry Seifert" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, > > > > > > There has been a rash of thugging going on in the > > Tijuana, Rosarito, > > > Ensenada area lately. First report was from some > > surfers that got > > pulled > > > over by a black sedan with red and blue lights and > > siren followed by an > > > unmarked black late model pick up. They got > > muscled around a little bit > > > and had all of their stuff stolen. The Federales > > and the Municipal cops > > > said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. > > > > > > In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, with > > his wife and kids, > > from the > > > McMillin race team was pulled over by the same > > assholes and held for 2 > > > hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side road > > into the mountains > > and then > > > had their truck, trailer and all of their > > equipment stolen. They had to > > > walk back down the mountain and were "found" by > > the local police and > > > escorted to the San Ysidro border. I remember > > this kind of crap > > going on > > > about ten years ago at the height of the NarcoWars > > in Baja. Looks like > > > they're back at it. The details are in todays San > > Diego Union Tribune. > > > Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! > > > > > > Buddy > > > bseifert71@ > > > > > > > > > >

[martin glazer]

Look at the article from the san diego union tribune. The police are robbing tourists at gun point. The Mexican system has a big corruption problem. Getting robbed at gun point is not my idea of fun. It is a risk I don't need to take. At least in California, if you get you car stolen, you stand a chance of getting it back. --- traderpro2003 wrote:

> I spent 2 months riding throughout Baja last year > and had no > problems. It's pretty simple in the popular > cities...don't leave > your bike unattended. If you must, sleep next to it > or have the > hotel take responsibility for it. Most hotels tell > you were to keep > it safely and let you know if you need to worry. > Most want you to > put it in your room! I find this ridiculous, but so > are the > thieves. Bottom-line...stay out of the cities and > experience the > real Baja and you won't have to worry. And btw, > just leave your bike > unattended in LA, Boston or NYC...you'll find the > same risk here, > too. I've seen cars broken into at the border all > the time...while > standing next to an officer with an M16 that did > nothing. Ditto in > Boston when someone cutaway a bag I had locked to my > moto. There > were witnesses that saw it and told a cop in Dunkin > Donuts. The > thief actually came into the store like nothing > happened...even > talked to the cop! The Dunkin clerk said, "He was > messing with that > bike...maybe stole something." The cop responded > with, "How do I > know it's not his bike?" What an idiot. I found > out all this when I > went to my bike after work and the Dunkin clerk came > out to > apologize...worthless Boston police. If he would > have asked for his > id???? Geeez...anyway, it's not Baja, it's thieves > in general.... > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, martin glazer > > wrote: > > > > I had my Honda stolen in Tijuana last year. It > took > > many weeks to get the Insurance straignteded out. > I > > would not dream of driving a Motorcycle down > there. Be > > carefull. > > > > > > --- mbetcher wrote: > > > > > This doesn't sound like it's narco-related, > because > > > the drug cartels > > > have bigger fish to fry -- and bigger profits to > > > make -- than mugging > > > tourists. It sounds like good old > garden-variety > > > crime, maybe a > > > little more creative than before. > > > > > > Although I lived in Mexico for about three years > off > > > and on I have > > > little desire to travel there now for the reason > you > > > cite. Crime has > > > always been a problem, but at least in the old > days > > > it was manageable > > > if you knew the rules and followed reasonable > > > precautions. Now it's > > > open season anywhere and at any time. > > > > > > It's a credit to most Mexicans that they are NOT > > > involved in mugging > > > tourists -- it's the easiest work there is, > pretty > > > lucrative, and > > > there is zero chance they'll get caught, much > less > > > punished. > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Harry Seifert" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, > > > > > > > > There has been a rash of thugging going on in > the > > > Tijuana, Rosarito, > > > > Ensenada area lately. First report was from > some > > > surfers that got > > > pulled > > > > over by a black sedan with red and blue lights > and > > > siren followed by an > > > > unmarked black late model pick up. They got > > > muscled around a little bit > > > > and had all of their stuff stolen. The > Federales > > > and the Municipal cops > > > > said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. > > > > > > > > In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, > with > > > his wife and kids, > > > from the > > > > McMillin race team was pulled over by the same > > > assholes and held for 2 > > > > hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side > road > > > into the mountains > > > and then > > > > had their truck, trailer and all of their > > > equipment stolen. They had to > > > > walk back down the mountain and were "found" > by > > > the local police and > > > > escorted to the San Ysidro border. I remember > > > this kind of crap > > > going on > > > > about ten years ago at the height of the > NarcoWars > > > in Baja. Looks like > > > > they're back at it. The details are in todays > San > > > Diego Union Tribune. > > > > Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! > > > > > > > > Buddy > > > > bseifert71@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[martin glazer]

Race crewman reports latest Baja robbery By Anna Cearley and Bill Center UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS November 22, 2007 The violent robbery of an American family in Baja California early Monday morning is adding to concerns about safety south of the border. The latest attack began about 1 a.m. when Chris Hall, his wife, Debra, and their 16-year-old son and 21-year-old daughter where driving home to El Cajon from the SCORE Baja 1000 off-road auto race, which ended Friday in Cabo San Lucas. Hall said their 2007 Ford F-250 was pulled over by a black car with flashing red and blue lights and a siren as they traveled on the coastal road just south of the Playas de Tijuana toll booth. A second car blocked the path in front of them. Hall, 42, is a truck driver and crewman who supports off-road racers. He was pulling an empty car trailer after assisting the race team of Andy McMillin, whose family is one of San Diego County's biggest home developers.The trailer was identified with McMillin's race insignia. I think they knew what they were doing, Hall said of the assailants. If I had been a McMillin, I think they would have kidnapped me. The assailants took the wheel of the Halls' truck, held the family at gunpoint for two hours, and then released them at a secluded spot on a mountain, Hall said. The men stole the truck and all of the family's belongings, Hall said. It took the Halls more than an hour to walk down the mountain and find help. Mexican police took them immediately to the border. The Halls filed a report yesterday with Mexican authorities. Chris Hall estimated the family's personal loss at $70,000. But we're alive and I didn't think we were going to be . . . I'm counting my blessings. The attack was the latest in a series that has put frequent Baja travelers on edge. Stories of at least six armed assaults have been shared by travelers through the Internet and by word of mouth. Some, but not all, of the cases have been determined by authorities as credible. One widely publicized attack Aug. 31 involved a group of North County surfers who were stopped by a convoy of armed men who used flashing lights to pull them over on the road between the San Ysidro border crossing and Playas de Tijuana. The surfers were forced out of their vehicles at gunpoint, and one was ordered to kneel and crawl as if he were going to be executed. The gunmen took the surfers' two trucks and other equipment. In another publicized case, Pat Weber of Encinitas and his girlfriend were robbed Oct. 23 by two men wearing military clothing and ski masks at Cuatro Casas, a surfing spot about 200 miles south of the border. The assailants shot at his motor home and sexually assaulted his girlfriend before stealing $10,000 worth of computers, video cameras and other gear. Baja California tourism officials didn't return phone calls yesterday asking about Monday's attack. But last month officials with the state attorney general's office in Baja California said they were working with other agencies to beef up patrols along the roads tourists often use to get to and from the border. They urged victims to report such crimes immediately, but some victims have been afraid of file reports because they don't trust Mexican law enforcement officers. Three people recently contacted The San Diego Union-Tribune to report being robbed by Tijuana police officers near the San Ysidro border crossing over the past six weeks. Their complaints come amid speculation in the Mexican media that extortion and other misdeeds by police have increased recently because of an anticipated crackdown once Tijuana's new mayor, Jorge Ramos, takes office Dec. 1. Authorities are unsure whether the latest accounts about attacks against tourists reflect an increase in attacks or that more people are sharing their stories with reporters or on Internet sites. Robert Fishman, director of administration for the Mainly Mozart Festival in San Diego, said he was robbed of more than $500 in cash by a group of Mexican police officers Oct. 13 after leaving a Caliente sports gaming site. He said the officers stopped him on a dark section of the pedestrian bridge that leads to the San Ysidro border crossing around 10 p.m. and searched his wallet and pockets. After they let him go, he realized the money was missing. Fishman filed a report with the San Diego Police Department, which forwards the information to the U.S. Consulate in Mexico. However, he said the case appeared stymied because he couldn't see the officers' faces. Fishman said he does not plan to go back to Baja California. Hall is more adamant. I'm the person who has always dispelled the rumors about being hassled in Baja California, he said. I have always loved the country and the people. . . . Before this year, we had never had a problem, only great memories. But I'm never going back. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anna Cearley: (619) 542-4595; anna.cearley@... Find this article at: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20071122-9999-1m22baja.html --- martin glazer wrote:

> Look at the article from the san diego union > tribune. > The police are robbing tourists at gun point. The > Mexican system has a big corruption problem. Getting > robbed at gun point is not my idea of fun. It is a > risk I don't need to take. At least in California, > if > you get you car stolen, you stand a chance of > getting > it back. > > > --- traderpro2003 wrote: > > > I spent 2 months riding throughout Baja last year > > and had no > > problems. It's pretty simple in the popular > > cities...don't leave > > your bike unattended. If you must, sleep next to > it > > or have the > > hotel take responsibility for it. Most hotels > tell > > you were to keep > > it safely and let you know if you need to worry. > > Most want you to > > put it in your room! I find this ridiculous, but > so > > are the > > thieves. Bottom-line...stay out of the cities and > > experience the > > real Baja and you won't have to worry. And btw, > > just leave your bike > > unattended in LA, Boston or NYC...you'll find the > > same risk here, > > too. I've seen cars broken into at the border all > > the time...while > > standing next to an officer with an M16 that did > > nothing. Ditto in > > Boston when someone cutaway a bag I had locked to > my > > moto. There > > were witnesses that saw it and told a cop in > Dunkin > > Donuts. The > > thief actually came into the store like nothing > > happened...even > > talked to the cop! The Dunkin clerk said, "He was > > messing with that > > bike...maybe stole something." The cop responded > > with, "How do I > > know it's not his bike?" What an idiot. I found > > out all this when I > > went to my bike after work and the Dunkin clerk > came > > out to > > apologize...worthless Boston police. If he would > > have asked for his > > id???? Geeez...anyway, it's not Baja, it's > thieves > > in general.... > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, martin glazer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I had my Honda stolen in Tijuana last year. It > > took > > > many weeks to get the Insurance straignteded > out. > > I > > > would not dream of driving a Motorcycle down > > there. Be > > > carefull. > > > > > > > > > --- mbetcher wrote: > > > > > > > This doesn't sound like it's narco-related, > > because > > > > the drug cartels > > > > have bigger fish to fry -- and bigger profits > to > > > > make -- than mugging > > > > tourists. It sounds like good old > > garden-variety > > > > crime, maybe a > > > > little more creative than before. > > > > > > > > Although I lived in Mexico for about three > years > > off > > > > and on I have > > > > little desire to travel there now for the > reason > > you > > > > cite. Crime has > > > > always been a problem, but at least in the old > > days > > > > it was manageable > > > > if you knew the rules and followed reasonable > > > > precautions. Now it's > > > > open season anywhere and at any time. > > > > > > > > It's a credit to most Mexicans that they are > NOT > > > > involved in mugging > > > > tourists -- it's the easiest work there is, > > pretty > > > > lucrative, and > > > > there is zero chance they'll get caught, much > > less > > > > punished. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Harry Seifert" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, > > > > > > > > > > There has been a rash of thugging going on > in > > the > > > > Tijuana, Rosarito, > > > > > Ensenada area lately. First report was from > > some > > > > surfers that got > > > > pulled > > > > > over by a black sedan with red and blue > lights > > and > > > > siren followed by an > > > > > unmarked black late model pick up. They got > > > > muscled around a little bit > > > > > and had all of their stuff stolen. The > > Federales > > > > and the Municipal cops > > > > > said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. > > > > > > > > > > In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, > > with > > > > his wife and kids, > > > > from the > > > > > McMillin race team was pulled over by the > same > > > > assholes and held for 2 > > > > > hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side > > road > > > > into the mountains > > > > and then > > > > > had their truck, trailer and all of their > > > > equipment stolen. They had to > > > > > walk back down the mountain and were "found" > > by > > > > the local police and > > > > > escorted to the San Ysidro border. I > remember > > > > this kind of crap > > > > going on > > > > > about ten years ago at the height of the > > NarcoWars > > > > in Baja. Looks like > > > > > they're back at it. The details are in > todays > > San > > > > Diego Union Tribune. > > > > > Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! > > > > > > > > > > Buddy > > > > > bseifert71@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[traderpro2003]

I just read the article. Where does it say it was cops? It doesn't. If we're reading the same article, its eems this popular surfer guy was signaled out. Wearing ski masks... It's apparent that someone knew this guy or what was inside his big-target RV and robbed him. $10k worth of equipment is a lot. Most moto riders carry $100. Hell, I've hung out with the military, border agents and everyone with high-powered weapons and 100% want to help or spend time with you. "The police are robbing tourists at gun point" you say. Where does anyone say/print this? I haven't seen it. Again, if you want corruption facts, look no further than our own backyard... http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-37025.html > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, martin glazer wrote:

> > Look at the article from the san diego union tribune. > The police are robbing tourists at gun point. The > Mexican system has a big corruption problem. Getting > robbed at gun point is not my idea of fun. It is a > risk I don't need to take. At least in California, if > you get you car stolen, you stand a chance of getting > it back. > > > --- traderpro2003 wrote: > > > I spent 2 months riding throughout Baja last year > > and had no > > problems. It's pretty simple in the popular > > cities...don't leave > > your bike unattended. If you must, sleep next to it > > or have the > > hotel take responsibility for it. Most hotels tell > > you were to keep > > it safely and let you know if you need to worry. > > Most want you to > > put it in your room! I find this ridiculous, but so > > are the > > thieves. Bottom-line...stay out of the cities and > > experience the > > real Baja and you won't have to worry. And btw, > > just leave your bike > > unattended in LA, Boston or NYC...you'll find the > > same risk here, > > too. I've seen cars broken into at the border all > > the time...while > > standing next to an officer with an M16 that did > > nothing. Ditto in > > Boston when someone cutaway a bag I had locked to my > > moto. There > > were witnesses that saw it and told a cop in Dunkin > > Donuts. The > > thief actually came into the store like nothing > > happened...even > > talked to the cop! The Dunkin clerk said, "He was > > messing with that > > bike...maybe stole something." The cop responded > > with, "How do I > > know it's not his bike?" What an idiot. I found > > out all this when I > > went to my bike after work and the Dunkin clerk came > > out to > > apologize...worthless Boston police. If he would > > have asked for his > > id???? Geeez...anyway, it's not Baja, it's thieves > > in general.... > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, martin glazer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I had my Honda stolen in Tijuana last year. It > > took > > > many weeks to get the Insurance straignteded out. > > I > > > would not dream of driving a Motorcycle down > > there. Be > > > carefull. > > > > > > > > > --- mbetcher wrote: > > > > > > > This doesn't sound like it's narco-related, > > because > > > > the drug cartels > > > > have bigger fish to fry -- and bigger profits to > > > > make -- than mugging > > > > tourists. It sounds like good old > > garden-variety > > > > crime, maybe a > > > > little more creative than before. > > > > > > > > Although I lived in Mexico for about three years > > off > > > > and on I have > > > > little desire to travel there now for the reason > > you > > > > cite. Crime has > > > > always been a problem, but at least in the old > > days > > > > it was manageable > > > > if you knew the rules and followed reasonable > > > > precautions. Now it's > > > > open season anywhere and at any time. > > > > > > > > It's a credit to most Mexicans that they are NOT > > > > involved in mugging > > > > tourists -- it's the easiest work there is, > > pretty > > > > lucrative, and > > > > there is zero chance they'll get caught, much > > less > > > > punished. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Harry Seifert" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For all you intrepid Baja voyagers, > > > > > > > > > > There has been a rash of thugging going on in > > the > > > > Tijuana, Rosarito, > > > > > Ensenada area lately. First report was from > > some > > > > surfers that got > > > > pulled > > > > > over by a black sedan with red and blue lights > > and > > > > siren followed by an > > > > > unmarked black late model pick up. They got > > > > muscled around a little bit > > > > > and had all of their stuff stolen. The > > Federales > > > > and the Municipal cops > > > > > said the vehicles and men weren't theirs. > > > > > > > > > > In todays San Diego Union, the crew chief, > > with > > > > his wife and kids, > > > > from the > > > > > McMillin race team was pulled over by the same > > > > assholes and held for 2 > > > > > hours, driven about an hour up a dirt side > > road > > > > into the mountains > > > > and then > > > > > had their truck, trailer and all of their > > > > equipment stolen. They had to > > > > > walk back down the mountain and were "found" > > by > > > > the local police and > > > > > escorted to the San Ysidro border. I remember > > > > this kind of crap > > > > going on > > > > > about ten years ago at the height of the > > NarcoWars > > > > in Baja. Looks like > > > > > they're back at it. The details are in todays > > San > > > > Diego Union Tribune. > > > > > Really makes me want to go back to Baja!!! > > > > > > > > > > Buddy > > > > > bseifert71@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I'm kind of wondering if the bike, having been screwed up by the previous owner this much, that you will likely find more dumb things that were done. If the bike were somewhat old or high mileage, how about saving the money on the cost of the repairs, tear the bike into pieces, and part out the existing bike on eBay, and then go get another bike? Jeff A20 **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]