any klr-650 riders in so cal that want to go riding and or share in
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Jacobus De Bruyn
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Sorry guys, I try to shut up, but then there is this I
want to share. I think a rear view mirror is a must
for bicycles too. After reading Albatross story.
Even on the motorbike, a car may pass suddenly about
half an inch from your left ear. That s called:
planchar la oreja, en Spanish. Often there is more
danger from behind than from ahead.
Then I could tell you about the car backing! out of
the fenced-in parking lot, while talking on the ....
guess what. almost hit a cyclist, also an idiot.
But that s a legal activity.
Why is it recommended to change the oil while the
engine is still hot? My reasoning goes like this:
I let the oil stand overnight, then the solids will
deposit on the bottom, then I will drain all the oil,
and after flush out the solid deposits with a bit of
diesel, shake the bike, and then later flush again
with the oil I am using. (20-50 Shell) the temp. of
the oil will always be 85 F.
Is there a flaw in this logic?
Is the stainless steel oil filter from Fred good for
ever? How to clean it, carb-cleaner?
Is there an equivalent for the seafoam stuff you re
talking about, just use some isopr-alcohol, or rum, or
what? It is hard enough here to get a rear tire,
still waiting for the shim set from Fred, I cannot
order everything I need from stateside, got to
improvise and make ends meet.
If the kill switch gives you problems, you always can
start by connecting the starter motor directly to the
battery positive wire, makes nice sparks too for the
fourth of July.
My wife s gone, my daughter s gone, man I live alone
in the house, and it is such a relief, it is the way
to go, I recommend it! No need to clean, because
nothing gets dirty! No need to cook, the restaurant
on the corner has meals for just $3,-, the price of
two beers, but the beers were so cold, there was a
fine layer of ice-sludge on top of the glass after
pouring it, so I could not resist sampling a few.
the bad news is the women are all coming back soon.
What is a man to do? Outrun them?
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kestrelfal
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jacobus De Bruyn
wrote:
A rear view camera array with the 21" wide-screen flat-panel monitor upgrade powered by the brown wire? Fred> > Sorry guys, I try to shut up, but then there is this I > want to share. I think a rear view mirror is a must > for bicycles too. After reading Albatross story. > Even on the motorbike, a car may pass suddenly about > half an inch from your left ear. That s called: > planchar la oreja, en Spanish. Often there is more > danger from behind than from ahead. > > Then I could tell you about the car backing! out of > the fenced-in parking lot, while talking on the .... > guess what. almost hit a cyclist, also an idiot. > But that s a legal activity. > > Why is it recommended to change the oil while the > engine is still hot? My reasoning goes like this: > I let the oil stand overnight, then the solids will > deposit on the bottom, then I will drain all the oil, > and after flush out the solid deposits with a bit of > diesel, shake the bike, and then later flush again > with the oil I am using. (20-50 Shell) the temp. of > the oil will always be 85 F. > Is there a flaw in this logic? > > Is the stainless steel oil filter from Fred good for > ever? How to clean it, carb-cleaner? > > Is there an equivalent for the seafoam stuff you re > talking about, just use some isopr-alcohol, or rum, or > what? It is hard enough here to get a rear tire, > still waiting for the shim set from Fred, I cannot > order everything I need from stateside, got to > improvise and make ends meet. > > If the kill switch gives you problems, you always can > start by connecting the starter motor directly to the > battery positive wire, makes nice sparks too for the > fourth of July. > > My wife s gone, my daughter s gone, man I live alone > in the house, and it is such a relief, it is the way > to go, I recommend it! No need to clean, because > nothing gets dirty! No need to cook, the restaurant > on the corner has meals for just $3,-, the price of > two beers, but the beers were so cold, there was a > fine layer of ice-sludge on top of the glass after > pouring it, so I could not resist sampling a few. > > the bad news is the women are all coming back soon. > What is a man to do? Outrun them?
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Blake Sobiloff
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On Aug 7, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Jacobus De Bruyn wrote:
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Blake Sobiloff
http://www.sobiloff.com/>
San Jose, CA (USA)
Two reasons. First, hot oil is thinner oil, so it will both drain faster and more of it will come out. Second, hot oil has more solids in suspension; the solids drop out of suspension and attach to the surfaces of the engine as the oil cools. So, basically, hot oil makes for a more thorough oil change.> Why is it recommended to change the oil while the > engine is still hot?
I've heard folks use kerosene, followed by compressed air. I'm not a fan of the steel filters, though, as they don't filter as well as plain old paper filters. I can get cheap EMGO paper oil filters for about $4 each, so it's much faster and less expensive for me to use paper filters. I can understand parts availability might change that preference, though.> Is the stainless steel oil filter from Fred good for > ever? How to clean it, carb-cleaner?
Sea Foam is pale oil, naphtha, and IPA (whatever that is). You might be able to find something made from similar products...> Is there an equivalent for the seafoam stuff you re > talking about, just use some isopr-alcohol, or rum, or > what?
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.> My wife s gone, my daughter s gone, man I live alone > in the house, and it is such a relief, it is the way > to go, I recommend it!
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Blake Sobiloff
http://www.sobiloff.com/>
San Jose, CA (USA)-
E.L. Green
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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jacobus De Bruyn wrote:
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I don't bother flushing out "solid deposits". There aren't any -- I change the oil every
2500 miles, and change the oil filter at the same time, and the oil filter would have picked
up anything big enough that it won't flow out the hole with even cold oil. I don't bother
warming up the bike either. Sorry, my hands end up bathed with oil every time I try to get
that $#%@ oil plug out (or rather my nitrile gloves end up bathed with oil, I'm not a *total*
idiot), and I'm not in the mood to get scalded by 70C oil. Yet somehow my bike continues
running, indeed burns less oil now than it did when I bought it (I suspect because I use
better quality oil and change it more often, thus have freed up the ring pack a bit). BTW,
because the KLR is watercooled, I use a 5W40 oil -- the KLR never gets hot enough to
need a 50 weight top-end (if it does, you need to switch to using 20% glycol/80% water to
get better cooling), unlike air-cooled bikes, and the thinner low-end lets the oil flow
better when the bike is cold and thus reduce the wear at startup.
Yeah, your hands get scorched> Why is it recommended to change the oil while the > engine is still hot? My reasoning goes like this: > I let the oil stand overnight, then the solids will > deposit on the bottom, then I will drain all the oil, > and after flush out the solid deposits with a bit of > diesel, shake the bike, and then later flush again > with the oil I am using. (20-50 Shell) the temp. of > the oil will always be 85 F. > Is there a flaw in this logic?
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I don't bother flushing out "solid deposits". There aren't any -- I change the oil every
2500 miles, and change the oil filter at the same time, and the oil filter would have picked
up anything big enough that it won't flow out the hole with even cold oil. I don't bother
warming up the bike either. Sorry, my hands end up bathed with oil every time I try to get
that $#%@ oil plug out (or rather my nitrile gloves end up bathed with oil, I'm not a *total*
idiot), and I'm not in the mood to get scalded by 70C oil. Yet somehow my bike continues
running, indeed burns less oil now than it did when I bought it (I suspect because I use
better quality oil and change it more often, thus have freed up the ring pack a bit). BTW,
because the KLR is watercooled, I use a 5W40 oil -- the KLR never gets hot enough to
need a 50 weight top-end (if it does, you need to switch to using 20% glycol/80% water to
get better cooling), unlike air-cooled bikes, and the thinner low-end lets the oil flow
better when the bike is cold and thus reduce the wear at startup.
General consensus is that the pores in this oil filter aren't as small as those in the paper elements. Yes, carb-cleaner (ether, stoddard solvent, MEK, even gasoline) works fine for cleaning it. If you are going to be somewhere that you can't get resupplies of paper filters such riding through Central America this might be a valuable widget, but I really prefer paper filters for all other situations.> Is the stainless steel oil filter from Fred good for > ever? How to clean it, carb-cleaner?
"Sea-Foam" is a concoction of ether, MEK (Methyl-Ethyl-Ketone), stoddard solvent, and probably a ton of other stuff. If you're just cleaning varnish out of a carburetor, any standard carb cleaner will do the job (they have the same basic mix). MEK is nasty stuff, so wear nitrile gloves.> Is there an equivalent for the seafoam stuff you re > talking about, just use some isopr-alcohol, or rum, or > what? It is hard enough here to get a rear tire, > still waiting for the shim set from Fred, I cannot > order everything I need from stateside, got to > improvise and make ends meet.
Sadly, the only answer to that question is to never get married in the first place, which has its own drawbacks :-}. _E> My wife s gone, my daughter s gone, man I live alone > in the house, and it is such a relief, it is the way > to go, I recommend it! No need to clean, because > nothing gets dirty! No need to cook, the restaurant > on the corner has meals for just $3,-, the price of > two beers, but the beers were so cold, there was a > fine layer of ice-sludge on top of the glass after > pouring it, so I could not resist sampling a few. > > the bad news is the women are all coming back soon. > What is a man to do? Outrun them?
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Norm Keller
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The oil is more fluid when hot and the recent engine dynamics have placed the maximum amount of precipitates into suspension. In addition, materials which are less soluble will tend to be dissolved to a greater degree when the oil is hot. This is standard practice in all engine service procedures from aircraft, to marine so far as I am aware there are no exceptions.>Why is it recommended to change the oil >while the engine is still hot?
To each his own, but I don't see the point of re-useable oil filters unless one is intending travel to remote locations where proper oil is available but filters are not. My fleet experience with re-useable oil filters does not encourage their use. In addition, I don't understand why one would wish to deal with the mess, trouble and hazards inherent in the cleaning and disposal process. Some make the point that there is some ecological advantage but, balanced against the need to dispose of the cleaning agent, I doubt that this is so. Final point is that each has to decide for one's self and live with the consequences. I can only state what I believe to be the best practice .>Is the stainless steel oil filter from Fred good >for ever? How to clean it, carb-cleaner?
Why try to concoct a substitute for a proven product? Beware of dumping untested concoctions into engines, transmissions and fuel systems! A bit too high a concentration of alcohol, for example, can destroy the "rubber" parts in the fuel system which can be less fun than it might seem.>Is there an equivalent for the seafoam stuff >you re talking about, just use some isopr->alcohol, or rum, or what?
This question also interests me. I have several trades qualifications and many years experience which combine to help me to make decisions proven to make life easier. A complete fool might believe that a marriage certificate and 28 years of experience would be similarly useful.........HUGE ERROR!!!! Pondering, still pondering. Ice cold beer, and time to drink it at leisure should be enough for we semi-evolved. I think that Darwin was correct as are the creationists. IMO the area of disagreement comes from a fundamental error in perception. Women were created but men art still evolving. Simple theory but stands any amount of investigation...... Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>the bad news is the women are all coming >back soon. What is a man to do?
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kestrelfal
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oil fill cap BEFORE removing the engine oil drain bolt. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > >Why is it recommended to change the oil >while the engine is still hot? > > The oil is more fluid when hot and the recent engine dynamics have placed the maximum amount of precipitates into suspension. In addition, materials which are less soluble will tend to be dissolved to a greater degree when the oil is hot. > > This is standard practice in all engine service procedures from aircraft, to marine so far as I am aware there are no exceptions. > > > >Is the stainless steel oil filter from Fred good >for ever? How to clean it, carb-cleaner? > > To each his own, but I don't see the point of re-useable oil filters unless one is intending travel to remote locations where proper oil is available but filters are not. My fleet experience with re-useable oil filters does not encourage their use. In addition, I don't understand why one would wish to deal with the mess, trouble and hazards inherent in the cleaning and disposal process. Some make the point that there is some ecological advantage but, balanced against the need to dispose of the cleaning agent, I doubt that this is so. > > Final point is that each has to decide for one's self and live with the consequences. I can only state what I believe to be the best practice . > > > >Is there an equivalent for the seafoam stuff >you re talking about, just use some isopr->alcohol, or rum, or what? > > Why try to concoct a substitute for a proven product? > > Beware of dumping untested concoctions into engines, transmissions and fuel systems! A bit too high a concentration of alcohol, for example, can destroy the "rubber" parts in the fuel system which can be less fun than it might seem. > > >the bad news is the women are all coming >back soon. What is a man to do? > > This question also interests me. I have several trades qualifications and many years experience which combine to help me to make decisions proven to make life easier. > > A complete fool might believe that a marriage certificate and 28 years of experience would be similarly useful.........HUGE ERROR!!!! > > Pondering, still pondering. Ice cold beer, and time to drink it at leisure should be enough for we semi-evolved. I think that Darwin was correct as are the creationists. IMO the area of disagreement comes from a fundamental error in perception. > > Women were created but men art still evolving. Simple theory but stands any amount of investigation...... > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>ALWAYS remove the engine