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[jussumgi]

Just finished with the doohickey replacement. Two issues. Watch that washer on the back of the adjuster rod when changing the spring. Mine did slip off and into the crankcase. Thanks to Marknet.com for the warning in his very helpfull instructions. My main question. I purchased a inch lb torque wrench at Harbor Tools today for the job. While tightening the cover bolts at 72in lbs, my socket broke in half. The amount off torque seemed way to high. So I set the wrench to a lower spec. at 55in lbs. And the wrench still never seemed to click and stop tightening. I tightened the case bolts to a hand tightness that felt good. I don't want to ride until I know that the bolts are right. Do I trust the torque wrench? What would you people do?

[wannabsmooth1]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "jussumgi" wrote:

> > Just finished with the doohickey replacement. Two issues. Watch that

washer on the back of

> the adjuster rod when changing the spring. Mine did slip off and

into the crankcase. Thanks

> to Marknet.com for the warning in his very helpfull instructions. > My main question. I purchased a inch lb torque wrench at Harbor

Tools today for the job.

> While tightening the cover bolts at 72in lbs, my socket broke in

half. The amount off torque

> seemed way to high. So I set the wrench to a lower spec. at 55in

lbs. And the wrench still

> never seemed to click and stop tightening. I tightened the case

bolts to a hand tightness that

> felt good. I don't want to ride until I know that the bolts are right. > Do I trust the torque wrench? What would you people do? >

I'm guessing that you didn't recognize when the torque wrench was telling you it's done. As soon as the head of the wrench is no longer straight in line with the handle, it's to spec. A new wrench, or one you're not familiar with, it's easy for this to happen. 69 inch lbs is not very much. all the best, Mike

[Jeff Saline]

Jim, I'm guessing Mike has nailed this one. If the torque wrench didn't click decisively you might have missed it. 72 in lbs is only 6 foot pounds. That's the same as hanging about 3 quarts (1 quart = 32 oz., right?) of oil off a 1 foot bar. It's just not very much. The wrench probably won't stop tightening. It'll click at whatever it's set for and allow you to tighten until you stop or something breaks. Might be worth setting it near it's max setting and then clamping a bolt in a vise. Try torquing the bolt and getting a feel for the click. If you can't get a click maybe something is wrong with the torque wrench. I'm kind of curious as to what sockets you are using for one to break at such a low setting. I'm guessing they are 1/4" drive and not Craftsman or Snap-On. It's usually a good thing to click the torque wrench a few times before you use it. I think it would be a great idea with a new torque wrench. If I was in your situation I think I'd loosen all the bolts and start over. Just snug them so they aren't loose and then maybe torque them to 48 in lbs and then do it again at your 72 in lbs setting. If I still wasn't confident in the torque wrench I'd take it back and buy one at Sears. Best, Jeff Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:53:14 -0000 "jussumgi" writes:

> Just finished with the doohickey replacement. Two issues. Watch that > washer on the back of > the adjuster rod when changing the spring. Mine did slip off and > into the crankcase. Thanks > to Marknet.com for the warning in his very helpfull instructions. > My main question. I purchased a inch lb torque wrench at Harbor > Tools today for the job. > While tightening the cover bolts at 72in lbs, my socket broke in > half. The amount off torque > seemed way to high. So I set the wrench to a lower spec. at 55in > lbs. And the wrench still > never seemed to click and stop tightening. I tightened the case > bolts to a hand tightness that > felt good. I don't want to ride until I know that the bolts are > right. > Do I trust the torque wrench? What would you people do? > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[Eric Lee Green]

jussumgi wrote:

>. And the wrench still >never seemed to click and stop tightening. >

Huh? Sounds to me like you don't know how to use a click-type torque wrench. A click-type torque wrench never "stops tightening". It just makes a tiny little "click" noise (and the handle moves slightly off) once you exceed the programmed torque. You can still keep tightening after that. If you're, e.g., doing the front and rear axle nuts, that's handy so that you can turn the bolt just a teensy bit more in order to line up the hole in the axle with one of the crenelations on the bolt (so you can put your clip or cotter pin in). Sounds to me like you kept going past the "click", with predictable results. -E

[jim bush]

Thanks guys. I admit my 1/4" MM sockets aren't of the highest quality. The instructions with the wrench say that you will hear and feel the click. So I imagined it would be very pronounced. But not pronounced enough to be felt and heard over a Ramones song I guess. I'll try the vice test and get used to it. Should I worry about the possibility that I over tightened them?

On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > Jim, > > I'm guessing Mike has nailed this one. If the torque wrench didn't > click > decisively you might have missed it. 72 in lbs is only 6 foot pounds. > That's the same as hanging about 3 quarts (1 quart = 32 oz., > right?) of > oil off a 1 foot bar. It's just not very much. The wrench probably > won't stop tightening. It'll click at whatever it's set for and allow > you to tighten until you stop or something breaks. Might be worth > setting it near it's max setting and then clamping a bolt in a > vise. Try > torquing the bolt and getting a feel for the click. If you can't > get a > click maybe something is wrong with the torque wrench. I'm kind of > curious as to what sockets you are using for one to break at such a > low > setting. I'm guessing they are 1/4" drive and not Craftsman or > Snap-On. > It's usually a good thing to click the torque wrench a few times > before > you use it. I think it would be a great idea with a new torque > wrench. > > If I was in your situation I think I'd loosen all the bolts and start > over. Just snug them so they aren't loose and then maybe torque > them to > 48 in lbs and then do it again at your 72 in lbs setting. If I still > wasn't confident in the torque wrench I'd take it back and buy one at > Sears. > > Best, > > Jeff > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:53:14 -0000 "jussumgi" > writes: >> Just finished with the doohickey replacement. Two issues. Watch that >> washer on the back of >> the adjuster rod when changing the spring. Mine did slip off and >> into the crankcase. Thanks >> to Marknet.com for the warning in his very helpfull instructions. >> My main question. I purchased a inch lb torque wrench at Harbor >> Tools today for the job. >> While tightening the cover bolts at 72in lbs, my socket broke in >> half. The amount off torque >> seemed way to high. So I set the wrench to a lower spec. at 55in >> lbs. And the wrench still >> never seemed to click and stop tightening. I tightened the case >> bolts to a hand tightness that >> felt good. I don't want to ride until I know that the bolts are >> right. >> Do I trust the torque wrench? What would you people do? >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive Quicksearch at: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

[Jeff Saline]

Jim, Don't worry about the over tightening possibility. Just loosen them all a bit and retorque. It'll be correct for sure so you won't have any doubt. Probably only take you 5 minutes and give you some more practice with the torque wrench. Best, Jeff On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:39:02 -0800 jim bush writes:

> Thanks guys. > I admit my 1/4" MM sockets aren't of the highest quality. The > instructions with the wrench say that you will > hear and feel the click. So I imagined it would be very pronounced. > > But not pronounced enough to be felt > and heard over a Ramones song I guess. I'll try the vice test and > get > used to it. > Should I worry about the possibility that I over tightened them?

[jim bush]

Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality steel 10 mm bolts. 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel the click. Snapped the head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click or pause in the wrench. Same results. Snapped bolt. $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore.

On Jan 14, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > Jim, > > Don't worry about the over tightening possibility. Just loosen > them all > a bit and retorque. It'll be correct for sure so you won't have any > doubt. Probably only take you 5 minutes and give you some more > practice > with the torque wrench. > > Best, > > Jeff > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:39:02 -0800 jim bush > writes: >> Thanks guys. >> I admit my 1/4" MM sockets aren't of the highest quality. The >> instructions with the wrench say that you will >> hear and feel the click. So I imagined it would be very pronounced. >> >> But not pronounced enough to be felt >> and heard over a Ramones song I guess. I'll try the vice test and >> get >> used to it. >> Should I worry about the possibility that I over tightened them? > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ > klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[wannabsmooth1]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jim bush wrote:

> > Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality > steel 10 mm bolts. > 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel > the click. Snapped the > head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click > or pause in the wrench. > Same results. Snapped bolt. > $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore. > >

Jim, Find a friend with more experience. Get a little coaching. I've used very expensive and very cheap torque wrenches, and it's proabably not the wrench. QUIT LISTENING FOR THE CLICK - the click is sometimes felt and not heard! You need to have a little feel. This torque setting is very low. Remember when I said to watch for the head getting out of alignment? Either you got the lemon of all torque wrenches, or you need a little coaching. You can do it! all the best, Mike

[Glenn]

I tried to post a long response but it got lost. Anyhow, Mike covered it pretty well. The harbor freight torque wrenches are darn accurate and reliable. I've got three of them. As for the socket breaking, if you need a good set socket check out a Pittsburgh socket set from harbor freight. Not the $5 one, but on that is at least $30-$40. The quality is very good, they are very strong sockets and the ratchets seem to be of very good quality also. I've done a bunch of wrenching with mine and I have yet to break a socket. Did I mention that I tend to over-tighten things. Take care

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "jussumgi" wrote: > > Just finished with the doohickey replacement. Two issues. Watch that washer on the back of > the adjuster rod when changing the spring. Mine did slip off and into the crankcase. Thanks > to Marknet.com for the warning in his very helpfull instructions. > My main question. I purchased a inch lb torque wrench at Harbor Tools today for the job. > While tightening the cover bolts at 72in lbs, my socket broke in half. The amount off torque > seemed way to high. So I set the wrench to a lower spec. at 55in lbs. And the wrench still > never seemed to click and stop tightening. I tightened the case bolts to a hand tightness that > felt good. I don't want to ride until I know that the bolts are right. > Do I trust the torque wrench? What would you people do? >

[scott quillen]

I'd say if your socket broke at 72 in/lbs...that's a helluva WEAK socket! Scott jussumgi wrote: Just finished with the doohickey replacement. Two issues. Watch that washer on the back of the adjuster rod when changing the spring. Mine did slip off and into the crankcase. Thanks to Marknet.com for the warning in his very helpfull instructions. My main question. I purchased a inch lb torque wrench at Harbor Tools today for the job. While tightening the cover bolts at 72in lbs, my socket broke in half. The amount off torque seemed way to high. So I set the wrench to a lower spec. at 55in lbs. And the wrench still never seemed to click and stop tightening. I tightened the case bolts to a hand tightness that felt good. I don't want to ride until I know that the bolts are right. Do I trust the torque wrench? What would you people do? Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]