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				reddogguy1
 - Posts: 17
 - Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:23 pm
 
the bmw thing & the klr
My Opinion:
   BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I love to see ride 
 reports where the BMW street bikes (they call Adventure Bikes) are 
 laying on their sides in the middle of a gravel road. When anyone 
 gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I love my A16. I can't 
 stand the thought of riding to the deer lease and once there, having 
 to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down the nasty dirt road. 
 When I show up on my KLR, I love the last six miles of that nasty 
 dirt road. Once I have checked in at the lease, I do the 6 mile road 
 over & over. 
   Last weekend my bud (A15) & I (A16) went on a little 100 miler (all 
 street) and ended our run at the local city park. They had some 
 people with their vintage cars on display, racing boats, group of 
 HD's, group of BMW's, and a group of sportbikes. We parked in the 
 Dual-Sport area. Within 5 minutes: all the sportbike guys came over, 
 most of the HD guys came over, and the vintage car guys came over. 
 The vintage car & HD people were like: man I had an enduro in the 
 70's and I just don't see these anymore. We were like, yeah that's 
 because we are in the woods and usually try to be where nobody goes. 
 The sportbike guys were like: shit I gotta have one of these, can you 
 wheelie, mind if I sit on it, oh this adjusts there? We were like, 
 hell yeah we can wheelie. I guess the BMW guys were afraid we might 
 ask them to ride w/ us.
   Point is the KLR will draw a crowd, get the looks, stir the 
 imagination of riders, put that feeling in you like when you were 10 
 years old and up to no good. I felt like a 10 point buck coming out 
 of the woods.
   This weekend we are going to show the sportbike guys our little 88 
 mile twistie route. Tony & I will have absolutely no problem leading 
 the pack. We are going to have a blast, all of us. We are seriously 
 thinking about a helmet cam to film our exploits. We probably 
 committed over 100 moving violations Sunday - oops. Sorry officer 
 this is a no wheelie zone? The speed limit is what? This road is 
 really closed? Donuts are illegal? I thought everyone made a speed 
 run here! We were just practicing wheelies so we would be safer in 
 our traffic wheelies. I have mud over my inspection sticker? These 
 tires look illegal? Yes that is beer in the cooler on the rack. Yes 
 this is my gun in the tank bag. 
   I will never be without a KLR. If my bride would ride - I would 
 probably have a Strom in addition to my KLR.
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				Susan Walters
 - Posts: 8
 - Joined: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:47 pm
 
the bmw thing & the klr
Well, I get what you're saying but I disagree. I think
 it really depends on the rider. If I took that
 attitude, I'd have missed out this last year on riding
 with a couple of the most patient and skillful
 off-road riders I know. Both of them can take their
 GSs (an 1100 & and 1150) anywhere I can take my KLR
 and then some. Both will admit that ultimately for a
 really skilled rider there's that last place only the
 KLR will go (and one also owns a KLR) but at that
 point we're talking way more knarly than a "nasty dirt
 road."
 
 I just hate to see any of us "classifying" riders
 willy nilly because of the particular bike they ride.
 KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; why
 would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in a lot
 of people and it's got nothing to do with what kind of
 bike they ride.
 
 
 --- reddogguy1  wrote:
 
			
			
									
									
						... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com> My Opinion: > BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I love > to see ride > reports where the BMW street bikes (they call > Adventure Bikes) are > laying on their sides in the middle of a gravel > road. When anyone > gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I love > my A16. I can't > stand the thought of riding to the deer lease and > once there, having > to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down the > nasty dirt road.
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				John Kokola
 - Posts: 332
 - Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:46 pm
 
the bmw thing & the klr
WHOOOOOOOOO ...  
 
 --John Kokola
 
 
			
			
									
									
						> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Susan Walters > > I just hate to see any of us "classifying" riders > willy nilly because of the particular bike they ride. > KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; why > would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in a lot > of people and it's got nothing to do with what kind of > bike they ride.
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				scott quillen
 - Posts: 154
 - Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:17 am
 
the bmw thing & the klr
AMEN Susan!!!
 
 I couldn't have said it better myself!!!
 
 Regards,
 Scott
 
 --- Susan Walters  wrote:
 
			
			
									
									
						http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html> Well, I get what you're saying but I disagree. I > think > it really depends on the rider. If I took that > attitude, I'd have missed out this last year on > riding > with a couple of the most patient and skillful > off-road riders I know. Both of them can take their > GSs (an 1100 & and 1150) anywhere I can take my KLR > and then some. Both will admit that ultimately for a > really skilled rider there's that last place only > the > KLR will go (and one also owns a KLR) but at that > point we're talking way more knarly than a "nasty > dirt > road." > > I just hate to see any of us "classifying" riders > willy nilly because of the particular bike they > ride. > KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; why > would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in a > lot > of people and it's got nothing to do with what kind > of > bike they ride. > > > --- reddogguy1 wrote: > > My Opinion: > > BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I > love > > to see ride > > reports where the BMW street bikes (they call > > Adventure Bikes) are > > laying on their sides in the middle of a gravel > > road. When anyone > > gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I > love > > my A16. I can't > > stand the thought of riding to the deer lease and > > once there, having > > to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down the > > nasty dirt road. > ... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >
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				Kyle
 - Posts: 72
 - Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:40 pm
 
the bmw thing & the klr
Yeah, Amen Susan. I'm just unsure what you're saying. Don't classify
 riders, while we are in a classified newsgroup? Would a KLR rider
 really care if they were classied? I doubt it. Patient and skillful is
 exactly what a big cc GS rider has to be. More so than a KLR rider
 when the asphault ends. But, I'm sure when a non-skilled amateur like
 myself puts past a skilled rider struggling on an 1150GS, the bmw
 rider has to be asking himself, "is this still fun...what am I trying
 to prove?". I believe that was reddog's focus. When you set out to
 have fun, and you're not, what's the point? Hey, I embrace all DS
 riders, no matter what bike. We all like to find humour in other
 people's mistakes, even our own. Most of us posting in this KLR group
 did classify ourselves. We are opinionated. Not all of us are as
 objective as Susan is, as some of us are not concerned with taking the
 middle ground to apeze others or being politically correct. I agree
 with Susan just as I agree with reddog. Authoring either comment
 though, reddog's humourous approach seems to realize that this is a
 KLR extension of the DSN. I think that's why the DSN groups ARE
 classified.
 
 ride on!
 
 
			
			
									
									
						--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote: > AMEN Susan!!! > > I couldn't have said it better myself!!! > > Regards, > Scott > > --- Susan Walters wrote: > > Well, I get what you're saying but I disagree. I > > think > > it really depends on the rider. If I took that > > attitude, I'd have missed out this last year on > > riding > > with a couple of the most patient and skillful > > off-road riders I know. Both of them can take their > > GSs (an 1100 & and 1150) anywhere I can take my KLR > > and then some. Both will admit that ultimately for a > > really skilled rider there's that last place only > > the > > KLR will go (and one also owns a KLR) but at that > > point we're talking way more knarly than a "nasty > > dirt > > road." > > > > I just hate to see any of us "classifying" riders > > willy nilly because of the particular bike they > > ride. > > KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; why > > would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in a > > lot > > of people and it's got nothing to do with what kind > > of > > bike they ride. > > > > > > --- reddogguy1 wrote: > > > My Opinion: > > > BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I > > love > > > to see ride > > > reports where the BMW street bikes (they call > > > Adventure Bikes) are > > > laying on their sides in the middle of a gravel > > > road. When anyone > > > gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I > > love > > > my A16. I can't > > > stand the thought of riding to the deer lease and > > > once there, having > > > to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down the > > > nasty dirt road. > > ... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
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				scott quillen
 - Posts: 154
 - Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:17 am
 
the bmw thing & the klr
Kyle,
 
 Nothing wrong with "classifying riders" per se, as
 long as it's not done in a hateful, hurtful manner. If
 you or anyone else wants to classify me as a KLR rider
 who also rides a Harley, that's fine...as long as you
 don't STEREOTYPE me as one of those Yuppie Harley
 riders who trailers his bike everywhere and spends
 exhorbitant amounts of time "polishing the chrome" and
 being a "poser". I ride a Harley because I got a good
 deal on one and had wanted one since at least 1989.
 I'm VERY pleased with my Harley, as with my KLR. 
 
 Even if you or someone else want to stereotype me,
 there's nothing I can do about it and couldn't really
 care less, because when it gets right down to it, it's
 a case of Mind over Matter". Since I don't personally
 know anyone who posts to this group, if they want to
 form impressions of me based on what I ride, I really
 don't MIND...because they DON'T MATTER... ;^) If it
 were a personal friend making inaccurate statements
 about me, I might be offended.  
 
 Obviously, if that's the approach (insulting/hurtful)
 some want to take (and some postings would lead me to
 believe so)then that's their business and they're
 really only hurting themselves, because sooner or
 later, if the personal attacks continue, then they're
 going to be discounted as trolls, troublemakers or
 just flamers in general, whose postings will only be
 ignored or deleted when they hit the inbox, whether
 they have something of value to add to the group or
 not.
 
 IMO, there's too much of the following attitudes
 expressed:
 
 1. BMWs (or any other DS bikes) are inferior to KLRs.
 2. Harleys and their owners are the scum of the earth.
 
 Let's get real, people - this KLR group (if I'm not
 mistaken) was probably established to further the
 sport/hobby/passion of KLR riders/enthusiasts, by
 providing a good cross reference of maintenance issues
 and personal experiences with this fine DS mount.
 
 Jabbing at Beemers, Harleys, or anyting NOT a KLR is
 just sophomoric, at best!
 
 If one's only pleasure is derived from tearing
 down/judging others or their equipment, that person is
 deserving of MUCH sympathy, or disgust - take your
 pick.
 
 
 --- Kyle  wrote:
 
 
			
			
									
									
						http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html> Yeah, Amen Susan. I'm just unsure what you're > saying. Don't classify > riders, while we are in a classified newsgroup? > Would a KLR rider > really care if they were classied? I doubt it. > Patient and skillful is > exactly what a big cc GS rider has to be. More so > than a KLR rider > when the asphault ends. But, I'm sure when a > non-skilled amateur like > myself puts past a skilled rider struggling on an > 1150GS, the bmw > rider has to be asking himself, "is this still > fun...what am I trying > to prove?". I believe that was reddog's focus. When > you set out to > have fun, and you're not, what's the point? Hey, I > embrace all DS > riders, no matter what bike. We all like to find > humour in other > people's mistakes, even our own. Most of us posting > in this KLR group > did classify ourselves. We are opinionated. Not all > of us are as > objective as Susan is, as some of us are not > concerned with taking the > middle ground to apeze others or being politically > correct. I agree > with Susan just as I agree with reddog. Authoring > either comment > though, reddog's humourous approach seems to realize > that this is a > KLR extension of the DSN. I think that's why the DSN > groups ARE > classified. > > ride on! > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen > wrote: > > AMEN Susan!!! > > > > I couldn't have said it better myself!!! > > > > Regards, > > Scott > > > > --- Susan Walters wrote: > > > Well, I get what you're saying but I disagree. I > > > think > > > it really depends on the rider. If I took that > > > attitude, I'd have missed out this last year on > > > riding > > > with a couple of the most patient and skillful > > > off-road riders I know. Both of them can take > their > > > GSs (an 1100 & and 1150) anywhere I can take my > KLR > > > and then some. Both will admit that ultimately > for a > > > really skilled rider there's that last place > only > > > the > > > KLR will go (and one also owns a KLR) but at > that > > > point we're talking way more knarly than a > "nasty > > > dirt > > > road." > > > > > > I just hate to see any of us "classifying" > riders > > > willy nilly because of the particular bike they > > > ride. > > > KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; > why > > > would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in > a > > > lot > > > of people and it's got nothing to do with what > kind > > > of > > > bike they ride. > > > > > > > > > --- reddogguy1 wrote: > > > > My Opinion: > > > > BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I > > > love > > > > to see ride > > > > reports where the BMW street bikes (they call > > > > Adventure Bikes) are > > > > laying on their sides in the middle of a > gravel > > > > road. When anyone > > > > gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I > > > love > > > > my A16. I can't > > > > stand the thought of riding to the deer lease > and > > > > once there, having > > > > to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down > the > > > > nasty dirt road. > > > ... > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > > > >
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				John Kokola
 - Posts: 332
 - Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:46 pm
 
the bmw thing & the klr
For me and for other folks that I like to ride with, it's not necessarily
 about being politically correct -- it's about being tired of seeing riders
 of different stripes bash each other (insert chest-beating here), knowing
 that it's bad for the sport that I care the most about.  There's nothing
 wrong with being opinionated, but if someone is going to systematically
 categorize their fellow riders based on what brand they are loyal to, it
 becomes time for them to STFU.  At the same time, if you consciously care
 about the sport, you tend to take the middle ground because collectively the
 sport benefits from that.
 
 --John Kokola
 
 
			
			
									
									
						> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Kyle > > Not all of us are as > objective as Susan is, as some of us are not concerned with taking the > middle ground to apeze others or being politically correct.
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				Joe@ThePannells.com
 - Posts: 1
 - Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:15 am
 
the bmw thing & the klr
Very well put, and I couldn't agree more.
 
 Joe
 Texas
 
 
   Kyle,
 
   Nothing wrong with "classifying riders" per se, as
   long as it's not done in a hateful, hurtful manner. If
   you or anyone else wants to classify me as a KLR rider
   who also rides a Harley, that's fine...as long as you
   don't STEREOTYPE me as one of those Yuppie Harley
   riders who trailers his bike everywhere and spends
   exhorbitant amounts of time "polishing the chrome" and
   being a "poser". I ride a Harley because I got a good
   deal on one and had wanted one since at least 1989.
   I'm VERY pleased with my Harley, as with my KLR. 
 
   Even if you or someone else want to stereotype me,
   there's nothing I can do about it and couldn't really
   care less, because when it gets right down to it, it's
   a case of Mind over Matter". Since I don't personally
   know anyone who posts to this group, if they want to
   form impressions of me based on what I ride, I really
   don't MIND...because they DON'T MATTER... ;^) If it
   were a personal friend making inaccurate statements
   about me, I might be offended.  
 
   Obviously, if that's the approach (insulting/hurtful)
   some want to take (and some postings would lead me to
   believe so)then that's their business and they're
   really only hurting themselves, because sooner or
   later, if the personal attacks continue, then they're
   going to be discounted as trolls, troublemakers or
   just flamers in general, whose postings will only be
   ignored or deleted when they hit the inbox, whether
   they have something of value to add to the group or
   not.
 
   IMO, there's too much of the following attitudes
   expressed:
 
   1. BMWs (or any other DS bikes) are inferior to KLRs.
   2. Harleys and their owners are the scum of the earth.
 
   Let's get real, people - this KLR group (if I'm not
   mistaken) was probably established to further the
   sport/hobby/passion of KLR riders/enthusiasts, by
   providing a good cross reference of maintenance issues
   and personal experiences with this fine DS mount.
 
   Jabbing at Beemers, Harleys, or anyting NOT a KLR is
   just sophomoric, at best!
 
   If one's only pleasure is derived from tearing
   down/judging others or their equipment, that person is
   deserving of MUCH sympathy, or disgust - take your
   pick.
 
 
   --- Kyle  wrote:
 
 
			
			
									
									
						http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html> Yeah, Amen Susan. I'm just unsure what you're > saying. Don't classify > riders, while we are in a classified newsgroup? > Would a KLR rider > really care if they were classied? I doubt it. > Patient and skillful is > exactly what a big cc GS rider has to be. More so > than a KLR rider > when the asphault ends. But, I'm sure when a > non-skilled amateur like > myself puts past a skilled rider struggling on an > 1150GS, the bmw > rider has to be asking himself, "is this still > fun...what am I trying > to prove?". I believe that was reddog's focus. When > you set out to > have fun, and you're not, what's the point? Hey, I > embrace all DS > riders, no matter what bike. We all like to find > humour in other > people's mistakes, even our own. Most of us posting > in this KLR group > did classify ourselves. We are opinionated. Not all > of us are as > objective as Susan is, as some of us are not > concerned with taking the > middle ground to apeze others or being politically > correct. I agree > with Susan just as I agree with reddog. Authoring > either comment > though, reddog's humourous approach seems to realize > that this is a > KLR extension of the DSN. I think that's why the DSN > groups ARE > classified. > > ride on! > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen > wrote: > > AMEN Susan!!! > > > > I couldn't have said it better myself!!! > > > > Regards, > > Scott > > > > --- Susan Walters wrote: > > > Well, I get what you're saying but I disagree. I > > > think > > > it really depends on the rider. If I took that > > > attitude, I'd have missed out this last year on > > > riding > > > with a couple of the most patient and skillful > > > off-road riders I know. Both of them can take > their > > > GSs (an 1100 & and 1150) anywhere I can take my > KLR > > > and then some. Both will admit that ultimately > for a > > > really skilled rider there's that last place > only > > > the > > > KLR will go (and one also owns a KLR) but at > that > > > point we're talking way more knarly than a > "nasty > > > dirt > > > road." > > > > > > I just hate to see any of us "classifying" > riders > > > willy nilly because of the particular bike they > > > ride. > > > KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; > why > > > would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in > a > > > lot > > > of people and it's got nothing to do with what > kind > > > of > > > bike they ride. > > > > > > > > > --- reddogguy1 wrote: > > > > My Opinion: > > > > BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I > > > love > > > > to see ride > > > > reports where the BMW street bikes (they call > > > > Adventure Bikes) are > > > > laying on their sides in the middle of a > gravel > > > > road. When anyone > > > > gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I > > > love > > > > my A16. I can't > > > > stand the thought of riding to the deer lease > and > > > > once there, having > > > > to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down > the > > > > nasty dirt road. > > > ... > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > > > >
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				Kyle
 - Posts: 72
 - Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:40 pm
 
the bmw thing & the klr
Scott, I agree with most of what you're saying. In fact I was about to
 reply to the HD postings. While my opinion of HD's is not favorable, I
 have no problem with them. But like you, have an opinion of the
 posers. But in honor of your well put statements, I will refrain from
 dogging any kind of bike, just to dog it. Honestly, I don't think HD's
 or any other mfr is worth discussing in this group if they don't make
 a DS bike. And really, don't ever defend your ownership of an HD. As
 we say in the world of shooting sports, I bought this gun, because I
 didn't have one. Simple as that. I bought a homosexual looking scooter
 a couple years back, and liked it. Why? It's got two wheels, and I
 didn't have one. 
 
 HD's have two wheels. Someone with an HD and a KLR is a valuable
 resourse. The more bikes/type of bikes a person has, the more I value
 their opinions and ride impressions. Good post Scott. This group is
 starting to get entertaining, maybe even fun (course, I'm a captive
 audience while at work!)
 
 ^5
 Kyle
 
 
			
			
									
									
						--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote: > Kyle, > > Nothing wrong with "classifying riders" per se, as > long as it's not done in a hateful, hurtful manner. If > you or anyone else wants to classify me as a KLR rider > who also rides a Harley, that's fine...as long as you > don't STEREOTYPE me as one of those Yuppie Harley > riders who trailers his bike everywhere and spends > exhorbitant amounts of time "polishing the chrome" and > being a "poser". I ride a Harley because I got a good > deal on one and had wanted one since at least 1989. > I'm VERY pleased with my Harley, as with my KLR. > > Even if you or someone else want to stereotype me, > there's nothing I can do about it and couldn't really > care less, because when it gets right down to it, it's > a case of Mind over Matter". Since I don't personally > know anyone who posts to this group, if they want to > form impressions of me based on what I ride, I really > don't MIND...because they DON'T MATTER... ;^) If it > were a personal friend making inaccurate statements > about me, I might be offended. > > Obviously, if that's the approach (insulting/hurtful) > some want to take (and some postings would lead me to > believe so)then that's their business and they're > really only hurting themselves, because sooner or > later, if the personal attacks continue, then they're > going to be discounted as trolls, troublemakers or > just flamers in general, whose postings will only be > ignored or deleted when they hit the inbox, whether > they have something of value to add to the group or > not. > > IMO, there's too much of the following attitudes > expressed: > > 1. BMWs (or any other DS bikes) are inferior to KLRs. > 2. Harleys and their owners are the scum of the earth. > > Let's get real, people - this KLR group (if I'm not > mistaken) was probably established to further the > sport/hobby/passion of KLR riders/enthusiasts, by > providing a good cross reference of maintenance issues > and personal experiences with this fine DS mount. > > Jabbing at Beemers, Harleys, or anyting NOT a KLR is > just sophomoric, at best! > > If one's only pleasure is derived from tearing > down/judging others or their equipment, that person is > deserving of MUCH sympathy, or disgust - take your > pick. > > > --- Kyle wrote: > > > Yeah, Amen Susan. I'm just unsure what you're > > saying. Don't classify > > riders, while we are in a classified newsgroup? > > Would a KLR rider > > really care if they were classied? I doubt it. > > Patient and skillful is > > exactly what a big cc GS rider has to be. More so > > than a KLR rider > > when the asphault ends. But, I'm sure when a > > non-skilled amateur like > > myself puts past a skilled rider struggling on an > > 1150GS, the bmw > > rider has to be asking himself, "is this still > > fun...what am I trying > > to prove?". I believe that was reddog's focus. When > > you set out to > > have fun, and you're not, what's the point? Hey, I > > embrace all DS > > riders, no matter what bike. We all like to find > > humour in other > > people's mistakes, even our own. Most of us posting > > in this KLR group > > did classify ourselves. We are opinionated. Not all > > of us are as > > objective as Susan is, as some of us are not > > concerned with taking the > > middle ground to apeze others or being politically > > correct. I agree > > with Susan just as I agree with reddog. Authoring > > either comment > > though, reddog's humourous approach seems to realize > > that this is a > > KLR extension of the DSN. I think that's why the DSN > > groups ARE > > classified. > > > > ride on! > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen > > wrote: > > > AMEN Susan!!! > > > > > > I couldn't have said it better myself!!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > Scott > > > > > > --- Susan Walters wrote: > > > > Well, I get what you're saying but I disagree. I > > > > think > > > > it really depends on the rider. If I took that > > > > attitude, I'd have missed out this last year on > > > > riding > > > > with a couple of the most patient and skillful > > > > off-road riders I know. Both of them can take > > their > > > > GSs (an 1100 & and 1150) anywhere I can take my > > KLR > > > > and then some. Both will admit that ultimately > > for a > > > > really skilled rider there's that last place > > only > > > > the > > > > KLR will go (and one also owns a KLR) but at > > that > > > > point we're talking way more knarly than a > > "nasty > > > > dirt > > > > road." > > > > > > > > I just hate to see any of us "classifying" > > riders > > > > willy nilly because of the particular bike they > > > > ride. > > > > KLR riders don't like it when it's done to them; > > why > > > > would anyone else? The adventure spirit lives in > > a > > > > lot > > > > of people and it's got nothing to do with what > > kind > > > > of > > > > bike they ride. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- reddogguy1 wrote: > > > > > My Opinion: > > > > > BMW's - They look like a hammerhead shark. I > > > > love > > > > > to see ride > > > > > reports where the BMW street bikes (they call > > > > > Adventure Bikes) are > > > > > laying on their sides in the middle of a > > gravel > > > > > road. When anyone > > > > > gets above 650cc, they are on a Street Bike! I > > > > love > > > > > my A16. I can't > > > > > stand the thought of riding to the deer lease > > and > > > > > once there, having > > > > > to wrestle a street bike the last 6 miles down > > the > > > > > nasty dirt road. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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				reddogguy1
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the bmw thing & the klr
Kyle hit it on the head, and the guy after him.
 
 Some folks can't see the forest for the trees. Maybe for the tangent 
 thinkers I should have written something like this: I have a KLR and I 
 just love it. I have love for other bikes too. Those that get it, get 
 it.
 
 ps: Ms. Susan, I would not think that you would know what it feels like 
 to be excited as a 10 year old boy.
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