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[Dan Paulsen]

'00 KLR with 21k mi. I have an intermittent ignition miss that coincides with the tach needle dropping a few hunert rpm each time of the miss so am fairly sure it is not a fuel problem. About a year ago I applied dielectric grease to the multi pin connectors in front of the dash and the connections for the wires to ignition coil. That seemed to solve the problem for a couple months then it came back again. I re-checked the multi pin connectors today and no apparent problem and miss still occurs. It also seems to be associated with wet weather/dampness. Both the clutch and kickstand switches have been by passed. I checked the area on the left side of the steering head where the sheet metal collar that routes the harness along there and it has not cut into any wires. Thanks for any insight you may have on this VERY irritating problem. Dan Paulsen Graham WA ===== http://community.webshots.com/user/danodemotoman http://photos.yahoo.com/danodemotoman Dan Paulsen Graham WA COG 2877, AMA 549065, NMA, BRC Dirt, dual sport, adventure touring, sport touring..... Yo Ho, Yo Ho, It's a Biker's Life For Me! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

[Mike Torst]

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Paulsen [mailto:danodemotoman@...] > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:30 PM > To: KLRlist > Subject: [DSN_klr650] KLR ignition miss > > > '00 KLR with 21k mi. > I have an intermittent ignition miss that > coincides with the tach needle dropping a few hunert > rpm each time of the miss so am fairly sure it is not > a fuel problem. > About a year ago I applied dielectric grease to the > multi pin connectors in front of the dash and the > connections for the wires to ignition coil. That > seemed to solve the problem for a couple months then > it came back again. I re-checked the multi pin > connectors today and no apparent problem and miss > still occurs. It also seems to be associated > with wet weather/dampness. > Both the clutch and kickstand switches have > been by passed. > I checked the area on the left side of the > steering head where the sheet metal collar that > routes the harness along there and it has not cut into > any wires. > Thanks for any insight you may have on this VERY > irritating problem. > Dan Paulsen > Graham WA > >

----------------- Have you taken off the tank and inspected the myriad of connectors, incl. the coil leads, yet? Mike Torst Las Vegas

[Marc Illsley Clarke]

You say you applied dielectric grease to the ignition coil's wire and the problem got better, but only for a while. The "standard" procedure to seal the ignition coil wire against mositure (a problem more than a few listers have reported) is to use RTV for a permanent fix. I encourage you to remove as much dielectric grease from the coil's wire as you can, then use a hair dryer to gently heat the coil to drive out as much moisture as possible, then use RTV to permanently seal the ignition wire whre it enters the ignition coil. I am betting that the dielectric grease you originally applied fixed the problem, but then the heat of engine and the vibration of the ignition coil wire allowed the dielectric grease to open the gap into the coil once again. Have you performed the famous "Carburetor Vent Hose T Modification"? Lots of discussion in the list's archives, and Fred Hink at Arrowhead Motorsports even sells a dandy kit for making the modification if you do not want to chase down the necessary T connector and extra tubing yoruself. I used to have the same symptoms you report. I sealed the ignition coil's wire and I isntalled the carburetor vent "T" modification (both in the same session) and the stumbling problem vanished forever. As a last thought, have you drained your carburetor's float bowl to make sure there is not a layer of water in the bottom of your flaot bowl that gets kicked up now and again? That will also cause an intermitent stumble and RPM drop. -- Marc, KLR650 A12 Loveland, CO USA

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paulsen wrote: > > '00 KLR with 21k mi. > I have an intermittent ignition miss that > coincides with the tach needle dropping a few hunert > rpm each time of the miss so am fairly sure it is not > a fuel problem. > About a year ago I applied dielectric grease to the > multi pin connectors in front of the dash and the > connections for the wires to ignition coil. That > seemed to solve the problem for a couple months then > it came back again. I re-checked the multi pin > connectors today and no apparent problem and miss > still occurs. It also seems to be associated > with wet weather/dampness. > Both the clutch and kickstand switches have > been by passed. > I checked the area on the left side of the > steering head where the sheet metal collar that > routes the harness along there and it has not cut into > any wires. > Thanks for any insight you may have on this VERY > irritating problem. > Dan Paulsen > Graham WA > > > > > ===== > http://community.webshots.com/user/danodemotoman > http://photos.yahoo.com/danodemotoman > Dan Paulsen > Graham WA > COG 2877, AMA 549065, NMA, BRC > Dirt, dual sport, adventure touring, sport touring..... > Yo Ho, Yo Ho, It's a Biker's Life For Me! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

[Dan Paulsen]

Marc, Thanks. No, I didn't use the grease on OR seal the coil lead wire going into the coil ... never thought that would be the problem but see now that THAT is the next logical step. Are some KLR owners installing a cover over the coil to attempt to protect the coil from water? Yes, did the T carb vent a couple years ago after a d/s ride up in BC and had problems running on the wet hwy of all places. A couple years before that did the T vent fix on the KLX650R and never had a another problem as far as venting the carb. I will repeat that the Tach needle dropps slightly evey time the miss occurs so thus far as not looking at the fuel system for the missing problem. Dan P

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Illsley Clarke" wrote: > You say you applied dielectric grease to the ignition coil's wire and the problem got better, but only for a while. The "standard" procedure to seal the ignition coil wire against mositure (a problem more than a few listers have reported) is to use RTV for a permanent fix. I encourage you to remove as much dielectric grease from the coil's wire as you can, then use a hair dryer to gently heat the coil to drive out as much moisture as possible, then use RTV to permanently seal the ignition wire whre it enters the ignition coil. I am betting that the dielectric grease you originally applied fixed the problem, but then the heat of engine and the vibration of the ignition coil wire allowed the dielectric grease to open the gap into the coil once again. > > Have you performed the famous "Carburetor Vent Hose T Modification"? Lots of discussion in the list's archives, and Fred Hink at Arrowhead Motorsports even sells a dandy kit for making the modification if you do not want to chase down the necessary T connector and extra tubing yoruself. > > I used to have the same symptoms you report. I sealed the ignition coil's wire and I isntalled the carburetor vent "T" modification (both in the same session) and the stumbling problem vanished forever. > > As a last thought, have you drained your carburetor's float bowl to make sure there is not a layer of water in the bottom of your flaot bowl that gets kicked up now and again? That will also cause an intermitent stumble and RPM drop. > > -- Marc, KLR650 A12 Loveland, CO USA > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paulsen wrote: > > > > '00 KLR with 21k mi. > > I have an intermittent ignition miss that > > coincides with the tach needle dropping a few hunert > > rpm each time of the miss so am fairly sure it is not > > a fuel problem. > > About a year ago I applied dielectric grease to the > > multi pin connectors in front of the dash and the > > connections for the wires to ignition coil. That > > seemed to solve the problem for a couple months then > > it came back again. I re-checked the multi pin > > connectors today and no apparent problem and miss > > still occurs. It also seems to be associated > > with wet weather/dampness. > > Both the clutch and kickstand switches have > > been by passed. > > I checked the area on the left side of the > > steering head where the sheet metal collar that > > routes the harness along there and it has not cut into > > any wires. > > Thanks for any insight you may have on this VERY > > irritating problem. > > Dan Paulsen > > Graham WA > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://community.webshots.com/user/danodemotoman > > http://photos.yahoo.com/danodemotoman > > Dan Paulsen > > Graham WA > > COG 2877, AMA 549065, NMA, BRC > > Dirt, dual sport, adventure touring, sport touring..... > > Yo Ho, Yo Ho, It's a Biker's Life For Me! > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

[Dan Paulsen]

Marc, Thanks. No, I didn't use the grease on OR seal the coil lead wire going into the coil ... never thought that would be the problem but see now that THAT is the next logical step. Are some KLR owners installing a cover over the coil to attempt to protect the coil from water? Yes, did the T carb vent a couple years ago after a d/s ride up in BC and had problems running on the wet hwy of all places. A couple years before that did the T vent fix on the KLX650R and never had a another problem as far as venting the carb. I will repeat that the Tach needle dropps slightly evey time the miss occurs so thus far as not looking at the fuel system for the missing problem. Dan P

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Illsley Clarke" wrote: > You say you applied dielectric grease to the ignition coil's wire and the problem got better, but only for a while. The "standard" procedure to seal the ignition coil wire against mositure (a problem more than a few listers have reported) is to use RTV for a permanent fix. I encourage you to remove as much dielectric grease from the coil's wire as you can, then use a hair dryer to gently heat the coil to drive out as much moisture as possible, then use RTV to permanently seal the ignition wire whre it enters the ignition coil. I am betting that the dielectric grease you originally applied fixed the problem, but then the heat of engine and the vibration of the ignition coil wire allowed the dielectric grease to open the gap into the coil once again. > > Have you performed the famous "Carburetor Vent Hose T Modification"? Lots of discussion in the list's archives, and Fred Hink at Arrowhead Motorsports even sells a dandy kit for making the modification if you do not want to chase down the necessary T connector and extra tubing yoruself. > > I used to have the same symptoms you report. I sealed the ignition coil's wire and I isntalled the carburetor vent "T" modification (both in the same session) and the stumbling problem vanished forever. > > As a last thought, have you drained your carburetor's float bowl to make sure there is not a layer of water in the bottom of your flaot bowl that gets kicked up now and again? That will also cause an intermitent stumble and RPM drop. > > -- Marc, KLR650 A12 Loveland, CO USA > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paulsen wrote: > > > > '00 KLR with 21k mi. > > I have an intermittent ignition miss that > > coincides with the tach needle dropping a few hunert > > rpm each time of the miss so am fairly sure it is not > > a fuel problem. > > About a year ago I applied dielectric grease to the > > multi pin connectors in front of the dash and the > > connections for the wires to ignition coil. That > > seemed to solve the problem for a couple months then > > it came back again. I re-checked the multi pin > > connectors today and no apparent problem and miss > > still occurs. It also seems to be associated > > with wet weather/dampness. > > Both the clutch and kickstand switches have > > been by passed. > > I checked the area on the left side of the > > steering head where the sheet metal collar that > > routes the harness along there and it has not cut into > > any wires. > > Thanks for any insight you may have on this VERY > > irritating problem. > > Dan Paulsen > > Graham WA > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://community.webshots.com/user/danodemotoman > > http://photos.yahoo.com/danodemotoman > > Dan Paulsen > > Graham WA > > COG 2877, AMA 549065, NMA, BRC > > Dirt, dual sport, adventure touring, sport touring..... > > Yo Ho, Yo Ho, It's a Biker's Life For Me! > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

[Stan]

Being of foreign extraction, I have taken a while to figure out how American politics really works. But now, thanks for Fox News, everything is laid bare. The Democrats want to take your money and use it to perpetuate the stratum of society that sits on the dole, grows geometrically, and votes Democrat. And to sustain a sprawling bureucracy as well as endowments for blind quadriplegic lesbian dwarves and other such ideologically correct and vitally important causes. When this country turns into a quagmire of socialist mediocrity, from sea to shining sea, everyone calls each other "comrade", and PRC's Red Army finally gets rid of their "import/export" proxies and opens an official lobby in Washington, only then will our fearless Democrats consider their work done. The Republicans want to take your money and give it to the people who own them - the defence, pharma, energy, etc. corporations. Republicans don't like social programs, because that takes away money that could otherwise go to Halliburton. As well, social programs encourage the proliferation of Democrat voters, so this is to be doubly avoided. When the corporations have a bad year, the Republicans start a war. Soon, orders are pouring in for more bombs, diesel, and $500 toilet seats, and lo! - good cheer is restored at the country clubs and on the golf courses. The system whereby billions in public funds are channelled to the wealthiest fraction of a percent is rather complicated. This leads me to conclude that Bush junior is *not* the terminally stupid monkey he appears to be, who should never have gotten within sight of an Ivy League school. Indeed no, given that he manages to pay off all these people without causing too much bickering at the pork barrel. And, hey, if you disagree, don't blame me - blame Bill O'Reilly. I am just transcribing the contents of tonight's news.