red light tripping info.

[Jim The Canoeist]

Solo way too much, I'm afraid and in areas where that is way too dangerous in case of mishap. I hope some riders in AZ or neighboring states will see my plight and invite me to group rides. Yes, I can wrestle the 650 back up onto its tires but my danger is that I'm pretty adept at not falling down and that means I am always 'pushing the envelope' with difficulty and increasing my odds of having that one unfortunate incident. By-the-way, when I talk about difficulty, I mean the terrain and not the speed of taking the terrain. As a trials rider, I tend to enjoy doing the more challenging sections "at all" rather than testing my ability to detect and react at higher speeds. I get a big kick out of using every skill I have negotiating a complex surface with a "must hit" line on the KLR650 where my competition bike would have taken me through one-handed and sitting down. By-the-way, what is special about this group? I get messages from what looks to be individuals and I'm not certain doing a "Reply" sends back to the group as I'm used to elsewhere on Yahoo. -Jim Walsh jwalsh21@...

----- Original Message ----- From: "Art InAmerica" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: Forgot to ask.... > Do you ride solo offroad? If you do, are you able to get your bike upright > by yourself? > Just curious... > Ar > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! > https://broadband.msn.com >

[xs650@dejazzd.com]

It could be that the replies are from users using "reply" rather than "reply all". I'm guilty of this myself sometimes. Eric in Pa

> > From: "Jim The Canoeist" > Date: 2003/09/16 Tue PM 03:13:58 EDT > To: "DSN_KLR650Group" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Forgot to ask.... > > Solo way too much, I'm afraid and in areas where that is way too dangerous > in case of mishap. I hope some riders in AZ or neighboring states will see > my plight and invite me to group rides. > > Yes, I can wrestle the 650 back up onto its tires but my danger is that I'm > pretty adept at not falling down and that means I am always 'pushing the > envelope' with difficulty and increasing my odds of having that one > unfortunate incident. By-the-way, when I talk about difficulty, I mean the > terrain and not the speed of taking the terrain. As a trials rider, I tend > to enjoy doing the more challenging sections "at all" rather than testing my > ability to detect and react at higher speeds. I get a big kick out of using > every skill I have negotiating a complex surface with a "must hit" line on > the KLR650 where my competition bike would have taken me through one-handed > and sitting down. > > By-the-way, what is special about this group? I get messages from what > looks to be individuals and I'm not certain doing a "Reply" sends back to > the group as I'm used to elsewhere on Yahoo. > > -Jim Walsh > jwalsh21@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art InAmerica" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:06 AM > Subject: Forgot to ask.... > > > > Do you ride solo offroad? If you do, are you able to get your bike > upright > > by yourself? > > Just curious... > > Ar > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! > > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[xs650@dejazzd.com]

It could be that the replies are from users using "reply" rather than "reply all". I'm guilty of this myself sometimes. Eric in Pa

> > From: "Jim The Canoeist" > Date: 2003/09/16 Tue PM 03:13:58 EDT > To: "DSN_KLR650Group" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Forgot to ask.... > > Solo way too much, I'm afraid and in areas where that is way too dangerous > in case of mishap. I hope some riders in AZ or neighboring states will see > my plight and invite me to group rides. > > Yes, I can wrestle the 650 back up onto its tires but my danger is that I'm > pretty adept at not falling down and that means I am always 'pushing the > envelope' with difficulty and increasing my odds of having that one > unfortunate incident. By-the-way, when I talk about difficulty, I mean the > terrain and not the speed of taking the terrain. As a trials rider, I tend > to enjoy doing the more challenging sections "at all" rather than testing my > ability to detect and react at higher speeds. I get a big kick out of using > every skill I have negotiating a complex surface with a "must hit" line on > the KLR650 where my competition bike would have taken me through one-handed > and sitting down. > > By-the-way, what is special about this group? I get messages from what > looks to be individuals and I'm not certain doing a "Reply" sends back to > the group as I'm used to elsewhere on Yahoo. > > -Jim Walsh > jwalsh21@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art InAmerica" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:06 AM > Subject: Forgot to ask.... > > > > Do you ride solo offroad? If you do, are you able to get your bike > upright > > by yourself? > > Just curious... > > Ar > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! > > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Paul Dent]

> > > Do you ride solo offroad? If you do, are you able to get your

bike

> > upright > > > by yourself? > > > Just curious...

It's not very hard if you know the technique: http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/pickup.html Paul A16 01 M750 'G' SF, CA

[dooden]

I just grab the downside handle bar and the downside rack handle and pick it up. Of course bend at the knees keep the back straight, using one or two fingers keep the "clutch or front brake" lever engaged if needed. Clutch if its running and on the left side, brake if on a hill or whatever so it dont roll. Dooden (Am I a He-man ?) A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Dent" wrote: > > > > Do you ride solo offroad? If you do, are you able to get your > bike > > > upright > > > > by yourself? > > > > Just curious... > > > It's not very hard if you know the technique: > > http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/pickup.html > > Paul > A16 > 01 M750 'G' > SF, CA

[ART]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim The Canoeist" wrote:

> By-the-way, what is special about this group? I get messages from

what looks to be individuals and I'm not certain doing a "Reply" sends back to the group as I'm used to elsewhere on Yahoo.

> > -Jim Walsh > jwalsh21@c...

I found the same thing about replies here, with them going to the person instead of the group, but here is the answer: when doing a reply, always remember to go to the *top* of your reply, before you send it, where it says "To:", and change the name from the person shown, to the group name, using the drop-down list there. The hard part is remembering to do it on every reply. Art

[Chris]

There should be an option in the list admin settings to force the Reply-To: as the group address. I'm on several other yahoo groups and they don't default to the sender requiring using 'reply-all' to bring up the group address.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:06:04AM -0000, Art wrote: > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim The Canoeist" > wrote: > > By-the-way, what is special about this group? I get messages from > what looks to be individuals and I'm not certain doing a "Reply" > sends back to the group as I'm used to elsewhere on Yahoo. > > > > -Jim Walsh > > jwalsh21@c... > > I found the same thing about replies here, with them going to the > person instead of the group, but here is the answer: > > when doing a reply, always remember to go to the *top* of your reply, > before you send it, where it says "To:", and change the name from the > person shown, to the group name, using the drop-down list there. > > The hard part is remembering to do it on every reply. > Art > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -- ___ ______ _____ __ ________ ___ / _ |< < / == / ___/__ / /_ /_ __/ / __ ____ _ ___ /__ \ / __ |/ // / ****/ (_ / _ \/ __/ / / / _ \/ // / ' \/ _ \ /__/ /_/ |_/_//_/ == \___/\___/\__/ /_/ /_//_/\_,_/_/_/_/ .__/ (_) 8100 miles*Russel Lines*Supertrapp Race* /_/ http://www.panix.com/~cesser/mybike/

[Keith Saltzer]

I worked for Cal-Trans for 1 year, and was assigned to the "Loop Crew". Not the "Looped" crew. (although most of them were) A "loop" was what we called the mostly square thin line cutouts you see in the asphalt, when approaching and sitting at an intersection. This is what MOST intersections use. Next time you are approaching/sitting at an intersection, study them for a minute or two. They are square (with cut off corners) and/or circular (special more expensive saw that we didn't have) that always has a line going away from each square/circle, leading to the junction box. If you pay attention closely, you will notice that most intersections have 1-4 of those "loops", with about 1 foot of space in between them, and at big intersections, there will be one more lone "loop", 100-200 ft up the road to aid in sensing a vehicle early and tripping the light green before you have to stop. There is a new way of doing it also that involves putting down these premade loops on the ground before the street is paved/repaved, but they are not as popular yet as the old way. You cannot see these new types, and they are less prone to wear and breaks. The way the old style loops are installed, is we use a big concrete saw to cut out the square's, going into the asphalt about 2 1/2 - 3 inches, and the lines going to the junction box. We then break out the big spool of wire, and run one wire from the junction box, out to the square, 3 times around the square, and then back to the junction box. We do that for each square. The last wire in the "loop" should only be about 1/2 - 1 inch below the top of the asphalt when completed. We then just pour some goop ontop of the wire's to seal them in and thats it. When the electrition shows up to hook it all up at the box, a small amount of current will be running through the wires, creating an electrical field, that is broken when metal is over one of the wires in the "loop", causing the junction box to send the signal to trip the light for ya. The best way to trip the lights while on a bike, is to: 1. Be sure that you are in the center of the lane when approaching the intersection so as to hit all of the loops right in the center, catching both the bottom line and the top line of each and every loop. (you of course will need to be more careful when doing this because this is also where most of the oil/grease from the cagers is too, ESPECIALLY FIRST RAIN) 2. Go slowly over the last one or two, and when you stop, put the biggest mass of metal (your engine and frame) right over top of the first or last line in the last loop, like the small line in the letter Q, not in the middle of the loop where the tires and very little metal will be over the wires. The closer the metal is to the ground, the better, because you don't have the metal mass of a car. 3. If you wear steel toe or steel shank boots (like I do), when you stop as described above, just put your toe or arch of your foot, on one of the wires to the left or right of you. In California, we are also installing more and more "Bike loops". These are the funky looking squares, that have 2 more lines running through the middle of the square, that start from the top right, and run down to the bottom left. It is actually 2 smaller loops beside each other, making it easier to sense the smaller metal mass of a bike. These are only installed right at the intersection, the last loop. These instructions will help you trip a "loop" that is working, and will not speed up the timing of that light. That is done at the box. It will not work on a broken loop either. Just look down at an intersection you frequent alot, and see if you can see the wires sticking up and/or broken. It happens alot, because in hot days when the asphalt is more flexable, and you have trucks and cars stopping hard over the loops, the asphalt bends, moves, breaks, and just squeezes the wires right out of the cut, and eventually they wear out or just break. If you report these broken wires, or non "Bike loop" type problems to the proper people, state, county or city, and bug the crap out of them, they will get fixed, it just might be a long time. But sometimes you get lucky too. Hope this helps you guys better understand how those things work, and how to get them to work for you. I have had very little problems with lights since working on them. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)