----- Original Message ----- From: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Digest Number 2188 > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: NKLR: Oil Debate? Must be a Newbie > From: > 2. valve adjust. HELP!!! > From: "phw96740" > 3. Re: NKLR: Broken GIVI Box > From: > 4. Anybody have a Pit Bull motorcycle stand? > From: "bsetliff" > 5. Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > From: > 6. Re: Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses (literally) > From: > 7. Calibrated Torque Wrench > From: ridinghome@... > 8. Re. UK Riders > From: BILL HUNTER > 9. Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > From: "Miata Myk" > 10. Re: Repairing Givis > From: "jake_sagebrush" > 11. Re: Re: More on Oil > From: RM > 12. Re: {DSN_klr650} Re: in support of your dealer > From: "Miata Myk" > 13. Re: Re: Re: NKLR: CA Stu From: Rick Peterson > 14. Re: NKLR hand guns > From: JJNeet1@... > 15. Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > From: "Brent Bacon" > 16. Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > From: "Miata Myk" > 17. Re: Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses (literally) > From: RM > 18. Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > From: RM > 19. Re: valve adjust > From: RM > 20. Re: screws & brakes > From: Ron Criswell > 21. Re: screws & brakes > From: "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" > 22. Paris Dakar airtimes on Speedvision > From: John Lyon > 23. Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > From: matthew > 24. Guns > From: "tebklr" > 25. Re: Anybody have a Pit Bull motorcycle stand? > From: Devon Jarvis > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:13 +0000 > From: > Subject: Re: NKLR: Oil Debate? Must be a Newbie > > I ditto Jim on that one. Wit all my old hockey injuries to my knees followed by years of physical therapy and surgery, I am not sure I can kick-start a big 650 single. For me, the "magic button" is what lets me ride a motorcycle. > > Perhaps Jim and I should counter with the equally bombastic statement that, "If you use a kickstarter to start your motorcycle you should not be allowed to use electricity anywhere in your life. No more light switches. Back to kerosene lamps!"
> > Thanks in advance for your consideration. > > Courtney Sullivan > Dallas, TX > A16 > '98 ST1100 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: 5 Jan 2002 11:23:52 -0800 > From: BILL HUNTER > Subject: Re. UK Riders > > Thanks for the replys, > > i live in yhe north west of england close to the lake district. > Riding a 96 C model. > Emailed kawasaki UK yesterday to find out about getting a A model in the UK. > their reply was we don't make them.... > The riding round here is black top country lanes but the twists in the lanes suit the klr..Pissed off some cbr 600 riders on the bends and left them open mouthed. > David in alberta where are you, > I have a A model parked up in stettler AB my mate is the kawasaki dealer there. > was there in the summer ,road down to fernie BC and wrapped it in the bush 50 miles north of fernie at 85mph.had to ride it out with a broken and dislocated shoulder. > have you rode the 734 forestry trunk road from coleman up to grand paierie? > that is some good scenery. > anyway all the best and HAPPY TRAILS... > bill. > Northern England..... > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:45:06 -0500 > From: "Miata Myk" > Subject: Re: NKLR-Gunz and No Roses > > > All of us watch too much CNN and other 24 hour a day TV news shows > pedaling > > death and violence in wholesale quantities. > > I hardly ever watch the news. Instead I live the news and know exactly how > much crime and violence is happening in my county, and where, at any given > time. Welcome to being the 911 Dispatcher/Sheriffs Dispatcher. Without going > into details, there is a bloody good reason I carry a weapon more often than > not. My county is amoung the higher crime rates in the country and were I to > live in other places I would probably never carry a weapon save for going to > the gun range or out plinking targets. Ignorance was bliss before I started > working here, especially in terms of what happens within the first ten > blocks out of my residence. Yes, I live in the Ghetto. Too bad the county > doesn't pay us enough to get out and live in a decent spot. > > > If you should get caught with a loaded firearm on your bike, expect the > > worst. You will be arrested, booked, charged and eventually released after > > posting bail. Your bike will have been at the end of a tow truck boom > > enduring the tender mercies of swinging and banging the back of Bubba's > > truck. Bubba wants $150.00 for towing and storage, cash only, thank you. > > Of course not one bit of this is going to happen if you have a permit and a > legally obtained fire-arm. > > > Leaves the guns to the soldiers and police, life's much easier. It really > > isn't all that dangerous out there. Our biggest danger is Grandma at 11 > > O'clock turning left, randy deer and exceeding the laws of physics. > > You are quite correct that you have a much higher chance of an encounter > with a rogue bumper than someone who is armed but in my area there is quite > a bit of that danger from other people. Why do you think I'm busting my butt > so hard to move out of Florida and up to Knoxville? (well, besides the > roads, the people, the mountains, the camping, the trying to get the > motorcycle shop started, etc...) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:48:14 -0000 > From: "jake_sagebrush" > Subject: Re: Repairing Givis > > If it was mine (I prefer Pelicans, natch) I'd put the pieces back > with JB Weld, sand the slopover smooth, then have the case coated > with bedliner. > Jake > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:52:18 -0600 (CST) > From: RM > Subject: Re: Re: More on Oil > > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, David Kelly wrote: > > >As I said before if the filter isn't caked with crud I don't see much > >point in replacing it. How much different can an oil filter be than an > >air filter? After all a *dirty* air filter filters *better* altho at a > >greater restriction. > > When I had my oil analysis done, the oil had 3k miles and the filter had > 6k. There was nothing in the results that indicated that the filter > wasn't doing its job. I now replace my filter every 6k. > > RM > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:04 -0500 > From: "Miata Myk" > Subject: Re: {DSN_klr650} Re: in support of your dealer > > > At 12:35 PM 1/4/02 -0800, you wrote: > > >I have watched everyone trashing the dealers that they bought there bike > > >from, as to price and service. > > Some dealerships are scam artists, jerks, profit mongers, etc. Just about > any of the Powersports Chain out of Florida fall into that category. They > are lucky to get the profit from the Pepsi machine out of me. I go there, > check on the items I like, make sure they fit, see what they are like, then > go a couple blocks down the road to R.T.M. and order them at a significant > discount. Why do I go to R.T.M.? Not just the discount, but the service, the > fact I don't have to get the same thing worked on twice, the personality, > integrity and genuine friendship that comes out of that place. For some > strange reason they seem to turn about 3x the business that Powersports, a > full multi-line dealership does just a few blocks down the street and they > don't even offer new bikes or jet-ski's. They have a great reputation and > most importantly respect from the biking community. There are a pair of > Yamaha dealers in the area and both are noted for getting great deals on new > bikes and one is listed as 'adequate' under service (never had a problem but > the pricing is steep) and the other is the best place to get a bike, worst > place to get it fixed. It's just my local area but it also seemed > consistent with other places I've lived. Some people, however, would never > consider having an independant shop do the work as only a dealer is good > enough. Then again, these are typically the same people who wouldn't > consider buying certain cars because they aren't expensive enough, etc. > > > I am more than willing to pay retail for parts I need now! That is, if > they > > have them in stock which is rare. > > I wish it were possible to floor every item for every bike all the time and > have those parts on hand at a moments notice. Have you ever looked into what > that would take? Nevermind the 500,000sq-ft wharehouse attached to the back? > I'm trying to sort out what the most common items for the most common bikes > are so that I can try to carry them initially when I get the shop opened and > even then it's going to be tough to carry what I need. My own variant is > that if I have to order it, the discount is automatic. Why? I don't have to > floor the item; it's already paid for and going to a customer without having > to sit on a shelf collecting dust. Dealerships usually still want full > price, etc. I want a happy customer who can get the item they need as fast > as possible. That way, hopefully, they will come back. > > > But, there are a number of other reasons as a general rule I don't > patronize > > retail motorcycle establishments. > > 1) I'm cheap! Ask my friends and the people I ride with. Hell, I don't > > even like to pay the mark-up on restaurant food. When I tour I usually > > visit a grocery store and eat at the employee picnic table. I love MSR > > camping stoves! > > Grocery store deli's are not only cheaper, they are usually better quality > and you can get exactly what you want. Best sandwiches around for 1/2 the > price of McDeath! > > > 2) My time is extremely valuable. There is no service a dealer can do > that > > I can't do better and faster! > > You are the rare customer that has their own tools, knowledge, place to > work, etc. Heck, I'd kill for a garage so I could do more than the most > basic work on my current bikes. As it is in my neighborhood if I left a few > tools by the bike for ten minutes to run upstairs and grab something else > they'd be gone when I went back downstairs. Probably turn up at a pawn shop > by that evening. ARGH! Nevermind a lot of us in apartments are prohibited by > rental agreement from performing any work on vehicles in the parking lots to > begin with. > > > 3) I couldn't afford to pay someone to service my bike the way I do. > Next > > time you're at you're local dealer, ask if you can observe the shop work. > > If they refuse, what are they trying to hide? Don't give me that > liability > > bullshit! I'll watch from the door leading from the showroom. > > If they do let you watch, count how many times you see a torque wrench > > emerge from a tool cabinet. Unless someone is doing an engine rebuild, I > > doubt you ever see one. There's a reason your factory shop manual > specifies > > torque values. It's so parts don't fall off and your fasteners don't wear > > out. If you own a bike for a long time and it sees a lot of time at the > > dealer, I'll almost guarantee you'll be replacing stripped fasteners five > to > > ten years down the road due to over-torque. Each and every fastener with > a > > documented torque value gets visited by a calibrated torque wrench in my > garage. > > True enough that some places cut corners. I can't say my shop will torque > every single nut, bolt and screw. I am, however, going to try to find the > best techs I can and pay them decently to do a proper job. They will be a > deciding factor in what makes or breaks my companies reputation and thus my > business. I have no problem with people watching, heck you don't touch my > babies without my being there watching! RTM doesn't mind watching. > Powersports hides it all in back shop area's where it seems they do more > damage than good, then blame the damage on you and try to bill you for it. > (based on my experiance at least) > > > 4) I know my ride. The more work I do on my bike, the more familiar it > > becomes. I know what is in "good" and "bad" condition. I know what is > > possibly going to fail and when. I'll know how to do something when the > > bike decides to be difficult out on a tour. > > That is always the best thing about doing your own work on your own machines > (aside from the satisfaction of having done the work yourself). Not everyone > knows what to look for or how to do it though. That's why there are > dealerships and independant shops. > > > 5) Overhead. It causes me enough pain when I write out the check for my > > home mortgage every month. Why should I be paying for the ungodly cost of > > that high-value, real estate, store frontage called a dealership. Gee, it > > looks really nice and successful. I'll bet their rent/lease/mortgage is > > three to four thousand dollars a month. I'll let others help fund that > > monument, thank you. > > Hahahaha... Uhmm.. The little shop I'm looking to start (current location is > about 8,400 sq-ft) is $5,500 a month for lease and the typical minimum for a > dealership is 10-20k feet. Try about $12-15k a month for lease even if they > own the land and building if it is anywhere near a decent roadway frontage. > Yep, the customers get to pay that. Why do you think those dealerships are > so happy to rape customers? They have that to pay as well as the salaries, > insurance (which verges on rediculous until you realize that a mis-repair > can kill someone and we are responsible for it. It's easily $25k a year at > the shop level I'm looking at and $50+ at major dealerships which have to > cover million-plus dollar inventories), all the hazmat fee's/waste fee's, > etc. Yeah, you do get a much better deal if you only have to cover picking > up the parts and doing the work yourself.
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Jim,
The only thing I would watch out for is blocking the air vents on either side
of the fuel tank. Blockage would only have an adverse effect when in heavy
traffic at slow speeds and / or when stopped for extended periods. (IMHO)
The ATV panniers that I use (Walmart), tend to block most of the air flow,
the only time the fan comes on is when stopped in traffic. This happened with
relatively mild temps (mid 70's). I don't think I'll keep the panniers on
for short trips in summer.
Just my .02 worth,
Marshall in Slidell, La
'95 KLXC3 "Blackhorse" (in honor of those who served)
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