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[steve pye]

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Tullis To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:17 PM

> I was riding home at dusk after a heavy rain. At a tricky intersection, a > minivan ignored a yield sign, causing me to have to brake hard to avoid >

a possible side swipe collision situation, or go off the shoulder into the > weeds. I hit the rear brake hard and went into a skid. [I'm glad I didn't

> touch the front brake--a painful lesson already learned long ago.]. The >

bike skidded straight and controllably and I narrowly missed colliding

> with the oblivious minivan. > >Mark T., Provo Utah A12

Hey Mark, Just curious, why not use the front brake? I was led to believe the front brake provides two-thirds of a motorcycles stopping ability, why not take advantage of that in a hard braking situation? Steve A11

[rob]

I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your brakes for the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in some conditions you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back together ( in varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than just the back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. Ride paranoid. - Rob Steve Pye wrote:

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Tullis > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:17 PM > > > I was riding home at dusk after a heavy rain. At a tricky intersection, a > > minivan ignored a yield sign, causing me to have to brake hard to avoid > > a possible side swipe collision situation, or go off the shoulder into the > > weeds. I hit the rear brake hard and went into a skid. [I'm glad I didn't > > touch the front brake--a painful lesson already learned long ago.]. The > > bike skidded straight and controllably and I narrowly missed colliding > > with the oblivious minivan. > > > >Mark T., Provo Utah A12 > > Hey Mark, > Just curious, why not use the front brake? > I was led to believe the front brake provides two-thirds of a motorcycles > stopping ability, why not take advantage of that in a hard braking > situation? > Steve > A11 > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[squidwannabe@hotmail.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote:

> I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your

brakes for

> the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in

some conditions

> you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back

together ( in

> varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than

just the

> back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. > > Ride paranoid. - Rob > > Steve Pye wrote:

" I believe him. " I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes for the situation" I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so wrong. If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic stop, you are looking for trouble. Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your breath you are also looking for trouble.

[MWeaver@niku.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate

your

> brakes for > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in > some conditions > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back > together ( in > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better

than

> just the > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe

him. using only the back brake is pretty stupid. there are very few situations where NO front brake is a good thing if you want to slow down quickly. of course there are LOTS of situations where too much front brake is disastrous. it seems that not everyone has the reactions or skill or whatever to avoid locking up the front brake. mw

[Zachariah Mully]

> I was riding home at dusk after a heavy rain. At a tricky

intersection, a

> minivan ignored a yield sign, causing me to have to brake hard to

avoid > a possible side swipe collision situation, or go off the shoulder into the > weeds. I hit the rear brake hard and went into a skid. [I'm glad I didn't

> touch the front brake--a painful lesson already learned long ago.].

The > bike skidded straight and controllably and I narrowly missed colliding

> with the oblivious minivan. > >Mark T., Provo Utah A12

I haven't been on my KLR for awhile, but when I ride my Concours, I almost never use the rear brake. Why? Because it doesn't do anything and locks up like no ones business. As soon as you start to brake you and your bikes weight transfers to the front of the bike, unweighting your rear brake and minimizing it's effectiveness as it now has even less weight over the rear wheel to generate friction between the tire and road which is necessary to stop. I think someone said it, modulation of the front brake is your best friend, learn how to do it. The only place I would relie on my rear brake to do anything of use is off-road. ------------------ Zack Banana Republic of Washington, DC KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa 125 COG #4664

[atomic]

hey all: i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for max braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary. -rob -----Original Message----- From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake???

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your brakes for > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in some conditions > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back together ( in > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than just the > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. > > Ride paranoid. - Rob > > Steve Pye wrote: " I believe him. " I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes for the situation" I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so wrong. If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic stop, you are looking for trouble. Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your breath you are also looking for trouble. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[squidwannabe@hotmail.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "atomic" wrote:

> hey all: > > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes

for max

> braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary. > > -rob > >

You are right. It's easier to modulate one brake though. A lot of new racers use only the front and then worry about the rear. Just my 0.02 cents.

[brettonwolfgang@hotmail.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "atomic" wrote: > > hey all: > > > > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH

brakes

> for max > > braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary. > > > > -rob > > > > > > You are right. It's easier to modulate one brake though. A lot of

new

> racers use only the front and then worry about the rear. > > Just my 0.02 cents.

You guys mean to tell me my KLR has a back break!!!!????

[rob]

I can't believe that you can't believe what I believe is somewhat believable!!!!!! Unbelievable!! atomic wrote:

> hey all: > > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for max > braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary. > > -rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake??? > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your > brakes for > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in > some conditions > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back > together ( in > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than > just the > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. > > > > Ride paranoid. - Rob > > > > Steve Pye wrote: > > " I believe him. " > > I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. > In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire > skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes > for the situation" > > I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so > wrong. > If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic > stop, you are looking for trouble. > Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your > breath you are also looking for trouble. > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[gtx]

here here the front brake like someone said earlier is the main brake to hit to shed speed, upon application you're front suspension compresses and with that weight transferal you're front tyre has more grip. The trick is cadence braking, which means pumping the front brake and simulating ABS,ie as soon as the front wheel locks' momentarily ease off the front brake then quickly reapply. I have done this driving and riding and found it to be very effective in adverse conditions Gary

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake??? > I can't believe that you can't believe what I believe is somewhat > believable!!!!!! > > Unbelievable!! > > atomic wrote: > > > hey all: > > > > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for max > > braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary. > > > > -rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...] > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake??? > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your > > brakes for > > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in > > some conditions > > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back > > together ( in > > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than > > just the > > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. > > > > > > Ride paranoid. - Rob > > > > > > Steve Pye wrote: > > > > " I believe him. " > > > > I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. > > In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire > > skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes > > for the situation" > > > > I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so > > wrong. > > If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic > > stop, you are looking for trouble. > > Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your > > breath you are also looking for trouble. > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >