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[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Critchley wrote:

> > That idea of stopping after a short while to really check everything is > called a "Hudsons' Bay Start", by many ancient Canadians. It works for a > lot of things. > DC > D Critchley

Well, (smile) it won't work launching a helo searching for a ship 400 miles at sea. Worse at night. (Feb 8,1987) We found ourselves launching form Sicily one morning East-bound to Tel Aviv with a flight of two CH-53E's; we were ~130 miles offshore when my wingman blew a 3000psi (redundant) hydraulic system that controlled the flight controls = land as soon as possible. Since there was no land/ship in sight, it was a tense one hour + flight back to Sigonella base for repairs before heading Eastward again--four hours behind schedule. Two C-130 aerial refuelings and a lilly-pad stop on a carrier, we arrived in Tel Aviv. I try the Hudson Bay Start on many trips--flying on the other hand is a little more difficult. revmaaatin. who will tell you more of that 21 day adventure around a camp fire. and it WAS and adventure...did you know a Subaru has a top speed of 97mph (below) Sea Level?

[RobertWichert]

I had NO IDEA that it was possible to refuel a helo from a tanker. Did the tanker have to put on the brakes, or what? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/26/2011 8:20 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , David Critchley wrote: > > > > That idea of stopping after a short while to really check everything is > > called a "Hudsons' Bay Start", by many ancient Canadians. It works > for a > > lot of things. > > DC > > D Critchley > > Well, (smile) it won't work launching a helo searching for a ship 400 > miles at sea. Worse at night. > > (Feb 8,1987) We found ourselves launching form Sicily one morning > East-bound to Tel Aviv with a flight of two CH-53E's; we were ~130 > miles offshore when my wingman blew a 3000psi (redundant) hydraulic > system that controlled the flight controls = land as soon as possible. > > Since there was no land/ship in sight, it was a tense one hour + > flight back to Sigonella base for repairs before heading Eastward > again--four hours behind schedule. Two C-130 aerial refuelings and a > lilly-pad stop on a carrier, we arrived in Tel Aviv. > > I try the Hudson Bay Start on many trips--flying on the other hand is > a little more difficult. > > revmaaatin. who will tell you more of that 21 day adventure around a > camp fire. and it WAS and adventure...did you know a Subaru has a top > speed of 97mph (below) Sea Level? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[P&D]

Learning from experience, I now make sure I'm in the bed with the bike when I start to loosen the tie down straps. I just wanted to take the pressure off the forks of my old Yammy DT when the strap slipped through the tie down spool. (My wife is still having an issue with this arrangement)

----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mike Frey" Cc: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Bike hauling and tie down question > My old Yamaha IT fell out once giving it some nasty scratches and my old > Hodaka's back tire fell out of a bumper rack I was using. Neither bikes > was hurt much as they were both indestructible. I saw a Harley guy once > out in Big Bend Natl. Park loading his big bike up onto a trailer waaaay > too big and putting the bike right in the center with nothing to block the > front tire or keep the bike from moving around. The guy and his wife were > so nice and you know how people often don't like know it all advice, I > didn't say anything. I think the first bump or railroad crossing would > have done it in. But like all of us, he will learn. > > Criswell > On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > >> >> I've been hauling bikes in pickup trucks and trailers since the early >> '70s. In recent years, I've seen recommendations to NOT compress the >> suspension much when tying it down. Why not? Is this a new "legend"? >> >> My standard procedure is to compress the forks to almost bottomed out. >> On longer trips, I'll tie down the rear end of the bike as well. >> >> I've seen a dozen or more bikes fly off the back of trucks or trailers >> when the truck went over a bump - especially on the last half mile or >> so, when taking off-road bikes to or from the parking areas. In each >> case it was obvious what happened - the truck hit a dip, the forks >> compressed, a tie-down came off, and the bike flops over. >> >> I've never lost a bike that way, but have had people tell me "You are >> tying it down too tight!" Apparently, the concern is damaging the >> suspension by having it compressed for long drives. If that's the case, >> aren't we "damaging" the forks and shocks every time we hit a bump while >> riding, or just sitting on the bike (which of course compresses the >> suspension)? >> >> Mike >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! > Groups Links > > > >

[mark ward]

In bed an Issue? My lady learned a while back the bike comes first. (shhh. I tell her they are second.) When I realy wanted to work on the bike this winter, and the garrage beening PACKED, I told her, I USED TO throw down tarps, and bring the bike into the living room. First she said, "NO WAY" then the next night after work she said, IF I put her up in a NICER hotel untill I'm done, I can bring the bike into the familyroom. (Big slider doors.) Being CHEAP I just worked in a tight space in the garrage and got by for now. SOME DAY, I WILL, TEST HER ON HER OFFER. LOL (PS. She cooks too.)

--- On Sun, 2/27/11, P&D wrote: From: P&D Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Bike hauling and tie down question To: "Mike Frey" , roncriswell@... Cc: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 9:07 PM Learning from experience, I now make sure I'm in the bed with the bike when I start to loosen the tie down straps. I just wanted to take the pressure off the forks of my old Yammy DT when the strap slipped through the tie down spool. (My wife is still having an issue with this arrangement) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mike Frey" Cc: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Bike hauling and tie down question > My old Yamaha IT fell out once giving it some nasty scratches and my old > Hodaka's back tire fell out of a bumper rack I was using. Neither bikes > was hurt much as they were both indestructible. I saw a Harley guy once > out in Big Bend Natl. Park loading his big bike up onto a trailer waaaay > too big and putting the bike right in the center with nothing to block the > front tire or keep the bike from moving around. The guy and his wife were > so nice and you know how people often don't like know it all advice, I > didn't say anything. I think the first bump or railroad crossing would > have done it in. But like all of us, he will learn. > > Criswell > On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > >> >> I've been hauling bikes in pickup trucks and trailers since the early >> '70s. In recent years, I've seen recommendations to NOT compress the >> suspension much when tying it down. Why not? Is this a new "legend"? >> >> My standard procedure is to compress the forks to almost bottomed out. >> On longer trips, I'll tie down the rear end of the bike as well. >> >> I've seen a dozen or more bikes fly off the back of trucks or trailers >> when the truck went over a bump - especially on the last half mile or >> so, when taking off-road bikes to or from the parking areas. In each >> case it was obvious what happened - the truck hit a dip, the forks >> compressed, a tie-down came off, and the bike flops over. >> >> I've never lost a bike that way, but have had people tell me "You are >> tying it down too tight!" Apparently, the concern is damaging the >> suspension by having it compressed for long drives. If that's the case, >> aren't we "damaging" the forks and shocks every time we hit a bump while >> riding, or just sitting on the bike (which of course compresses the >> suspension)? >> >> Mike >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! > Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Frey]

On the KLR - If you removed the springs from your forks, and then reassembled them (without the springs) and sat on the bike, what would the forks do? (I am NOT trying to bait anyone with argument, I am still trying to find the real answer to my original question) Mike Mike Frey wrote:

> > > I've been hauling bikes in pickup trucks and trailers since the early > '70s. In recent years, I've seen recommendations to NOT compress the > suspension much when tying it down. Why not? Is this a new "legend"? > > My standard procedure is to compress the forks to almost bottomed out. > On longer trips, I'll tie down the rear end of the bike as well. > > I've seen a dozen or more bikes fly off the back of trucks or trailers > when the truck went over a bump - especially on the last half mile or > so, when taking off-road bikes to or from the parking areas. In each > case it was obvious what happened - the truck hit a dip, the forks > compressed, a tie-down came off, and the bike flops over. > > I've never lost a bike that way, but have had people tell me "You are > tying it down too tight!" Apparently, the concern is damaging the > suspension by having it compressed for long drives. If that's the case, > aren't we "damaging" the forks and shocks every time we hit a bump while > riding, or just sitting on the bike (which of course compresses the > suspension)? > > Mike > >

[Horton Oliphant]

Since the forks are already bottomed out, after removing the springs, they would remain in that position when you sat on it. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

On 2/28/2011 4:13 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > On the KLR - If you removed the springs from your forks, and then > reassembled them (without the springs) and sat on the bike, what would > the forks do? > > (I am NOT trying to bait anyone with argument, I am still trying to find > the real answer to my original question) > > Mike

[Fred Hink]

Are you asking why you shouldn't fully compress your forks when tying down your bike? You can do whatever you like but I see lots of bikes come to my shop after being tied down and suddenly have a leaking fork seal. I think the reason is when you are riding your bike, the forks are only momentarily compressed and the pressures in your forks don't have time to squeeze out any oil past a weak fork seal. If you were to tie down those same forks and the pressure remains constant, this will force out oil past the seals where normal use wouldn't. So maybe the answer would be to bleed off any air pressure after your forks are tied down and then when you untie your bike be sure to neutralize the forks air pressure. It is kind of hard to do on a KLR, but most modern dirt bikes come with an air bleed valve on top of their forks. The Preload Adjusters that I used to sell came with an air valve built in them. Speaking of Preload Adjusters, anyone know Frank from Motowizards? http://www.motowizard.com/ I have been trying to contact him without any replies for a while now. If you know Frank or have a phone number, please let me know. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Frey Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:13 PM To: List KLR Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Bike hauling and tie down question On the KLR - If you removed the springs from your forks, and then reassembled them (without the springs) and sat on the bike, what would the forks do? (I am NOT trying to bait anyone with argument, I am still trying to find the real answer to my original question) Mike Mike Frey wrote:

> > > I've been hauling bikes in pickup trucks and trailers since the early > '70s. In recent years, I've seen recommendations to NOT compress the > suspension much when tying it down. Why not? Is this a new "legend"? > > My standard procedure is to compress the forks to almost bottomed out. > On longer trips, I'll tie down the rear end of the bike as well. > > I've seen a dozen or more bikes fly off the back of trucks or trailers > when the truck went over a bump - especially on the last half mile or > so, when taking off-road bikes to or from the parking areas. In each > case it was obvious what happened - the truck hit a dip, the forks > compressed, a tie-down came off, and the bike flops over. > > I've never lost a bike that way, but have had people tell me "You are > tying it down too tight!" Apparently, the concern is damaging the > suspension by having it compressed for long drives. If that's the > case, aren't we "damaging" the forks and shocks every time we hit a > bump while riding, or just sitting on the bike (which of course > compresses the suspension)? > > Mike > >

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[fasteddiecopeman]

Mike, Without springs they would collapse down AS SOON AS YOU REMOVED THE SPRINGS. Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote: > > On the KLR - If you removed the springs from your forks, and then > reassembled them (without the springs) and sat on the bike, what would > the forks do? > > (I am NOT trying to bait anyone with argument, I am still trying to find > the real answer to my original question) > > Mike > > Mike Frey wrote: > > > > > > I've been hauling bikes in pickup trucks and trailers since the early > > '70s. In recent years, I've seen recommendations to NOT compress the > > suspension much when tying it down. Why not? Is this a new "legend"? > > > > My standard procedure is to compress the forks to almost bottomed out. > > On longer trips, I'll tie down the rear end of the bike as well. > > > > I've seen a dozen or more bikes fly off the back of trucks or trailers > > when the truck went over a bump - especially on the last half mile or > > so, when taking off-road bikes to or from the parking areas. In each > > case it was obvious what happened - the truck hit a dip, the forks > > compressed, a tie-down came off, and the bike flops over. > > > > I've never lost a bike that way, but have had people tell me "You are > > tying it down too tight!" Apparently, the concern is damaging the > > suspension by having it compressed for long drives. If that's the case, > > aren't we "damaging" the forks and shocks every time we hit a bump while > > riding, or just sitting on the bike (which of course compresses the > > suspension)? > > > > Mike > > > > >

[mechanizeinc]

I've lashed my bike down on trailers and in the back of the old Dodge on several occasions. I've cranked the forks down to full stop a coupla times(unintentionally)and within an inch or two of full travel most of the time. I've never relieved pressure before hand and I've never had a fork seal leak after. One caveat... I think my springs were as sprung as they were going to be anyway due to my 240+ weight and abusive riding style. My '06 KLR w/ 20K miles was bouncy like a baby buggy. The new build has KX450F forks. I have trailered it once and I used a scrap length of two-by-four to wedge between the tire and the underside of the fender/bottom clamp to limit fork compression. Mech

[G A]

> > My standard procedure is to compress the forks to almost bottomed out. > > I've never lost a bike that way, but have had people tell me "You are > > tying it down too tight!" Apparently, the concern is damaging the > > suspension by having it compressed for long drives. If that's the case, > > aren't we "damaging" the forks and shocks every time we hit a bump while > > riding, or just sitting on the bike (which of course compresses the > > suspension)? > > > > Mike > > > > >

Mike: I've seen some composite plastic spacers shaped like an "I" to use between the tire and the lower triple clamp so you can cinch down the front without fully compressing the forks but still getting a rigid tie down. Has anyone tried those? Inquiring minds...... Like this shape ]---[ Tony G. A16 San Antonio, TX