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Craig Kahler
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klr cruise speed question

Post by Craig Kahler » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:39 pm

Thanks for the input Jeff. Do you know how much lower 1st would be? Equivalent to a 14T? A 13T? If it would get me low enough, I may give it a shot.
--- On [b]Wed, 12/29/10, Jeff Khoury [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "Craig Kahler" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 11:46 AM   Have you heard of the KLR600 1st gear mod?  If I remember right, you take the the input shaft and first gear from a KLR600 and they drop right in.  This lowers 1st and leaves all the others where they are.  This would give you the low 1st and you could still be highway-worthy with a 15T -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"Craig Kahler" [b]To: [/b]"DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent: [/b]Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:18:04 AM [b]Subject: [/b]Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question   I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650.   Craig Kahler   --- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "mark ward" Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM   Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you.  I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85.  It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"mark ward" [b]To: [/b]"DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" [b]Sent: [/b]Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM [b]Subject: [/b]Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question   Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off,  you lower the RPMs on the Highway. Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. Where are you located?   Mark (w. Mich.) --- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jim Douglas Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM   Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that.  Typically I am not in a hurry to get anywhere when I am riding.  You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it!  I am on my 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: [quote]  Greetings, I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. Dan
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klr cruise speed question

Post by Jeff Khoury » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:18 am

Unfortunately no, bit I'm sure the info is out there somewhere. I read about the mod on the .net forums I think. A little google work should come up with an answer.  If you come up empty, let me know and I will find it for you.  -Jeff Khoury
On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Craig Kahler wrote:
Thanks for the input Jeff. Do you know how much lower 1st would be? Equivalent to a 14T? A 13T? If it would get me low enough, I may give it a shot. --- On [b]Wed, 12/29/10, Jeff Khoury [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "Craig Kahler" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 11:46 AM   Have you heard of the KLR600 1st gear mod?  If I remember right, you take the the input shaft and first gear from a KLR600 and they drop right in.  This lowers 1st and leaves all the others where they are.  This would give you the low 1st and you could still be highway-worthy with a 15T -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"Craig Kahler" [b]To: [/b]"DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent: [/b]Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:18:04 AM [b]Subject: [/b]Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question   I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650.   Craig Kahler   --- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "mark ward" Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM   Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you.  I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85.  It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"mark ward" [b]To: [/b]"DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" [b]Sent: [/b]Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM [b]Subject: [/b]Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question   Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off,  you lower the RPMs on the Highway. Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. Where are you located?   Mark (w. Mich.) --- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jim Douglas Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM   Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that.  Typically I am not in a hurry to get anywhere when I am riding.  You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it!  I am on my 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote:
  Greetings, I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. Dan

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klr cruise speed question

Post by spike55_bmw » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:31 am

Please be advised that changing the input shaft and then changing the 1st gear on the input shaft (seems to me that you'd have to change the corresponding output gear because the diameters change) isn't that easy and will cost time & $ and requires some specialized tools. I've posted two pictures of my stuff when I had it out last winter. The output shaft has the counter sprocket lying beside the one end and the snap ring at the other (end that lies under the clutch basket). The input shaft is the threaded end that goes through the clutch basket. BTW, I wasn't in there to change my gearing but I did get good idea that removing the multiple layers of gears, special rings, spacers, maintaining proper ring gap orientation, etc wasn't something that should be done on a whim. Don R100, A6F
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Craig Kahler wrote: > > Thanks for the input Jeff. Do you know how much lower 1st would be? Equivalent to a 14T? A 13T? If it would get me low enough, I may give it a shot. > > --- On Wed, 12/29/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > From: Jeff Khoury > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > To: "Craig Kahler" > Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 11:46 AM > > > > > > > > Have you heard of the KLR600 1st gear mod? If I remember right, you take the the input shaft and first gear from a KLR600 and they drop right in. This lowers 1st and leaves all the others where they are. This would give you the low 1st and you could still be highway-worthy with a 15T > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > From: "Craig Kahler" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:18:04 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > > > > > > > > I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. > My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. > The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). > I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650. > > Craig Kahler > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > From: Jeff Khoury > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > To: "mark ward" > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > > > > Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you. I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. > > My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85. It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > From: "mark ward" > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > > > > > > > > Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. > While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off, you lower the RPMs on the Highway. > Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. > Where are you located? > > Mark (w. Mich.) > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas wrote: > > > From: Jim Douglas > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move > over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that. Typically I am not in a hurry to get > anywhere when I am riding. You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it! I am on my > 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! > > On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: > > > Greetings, > > I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. > > Dan >

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Post by Fred Hink » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:32 am

The first persons to change out the lower transmission gears were members of this list and if you search our archives, I m sure you ll find out all the info here. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] jeff@... [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:17 PM [b]To:[/b] ckahleer@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question    

Unfortunately no, bit I'm sure the info is out there somewhere. I read about the mod on the .net forums I think. A little google work should come up with an answer.   If you come up empty, let me know and I will find it for you. - Jeff Khoury   On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Craig Kahler wrote:

Thanks for the input Jeff. Do you know how much lower 1st would be? Equivalent to a 14T? A 13T? If it would get me low enough, I may give it a shot. --- On [b]Wed, 12/29/10, Jeff Khoury [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "Craig Kahler" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 11:46 AM   Have you heard of the KLR600 1st gear mod?  If I remember right, you take the the input shaft and first gear from a KLR600 and they drop right in.  This lowers 1st and leaves all the others where they are.  This would give you the low 1st and you could still be highway-worthy with a 15T -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"Craig Kahler" [b]To: [/b]"DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent: [/b]Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:18:04 AM [b]Subject: [/b]Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question   I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650.   Craig Kahler   --- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "mark ward" Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM   Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you.  I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85.  It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. -Jeff Khoury [b]From: [/b]"mark ward" [b]To: [/b]"DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" [b]Sent: [/b]Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM [b]Subject: [/b]Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question   Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off,  you lower the RPMs on the Highway. Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. Where are you located?   Mark (w. Mich.) --- On [b]Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Jim Douglas Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM   Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that.  Typically I am not in a hurry to get anywhere when I am riding.  You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it!  I am on my 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: [quote]  Greetings, I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. Dan
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Post by Ian » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:38 pm

Stock gearing is (I think) 15/43. Works for me. One guy switched to a 45 rear and runs either 14T or 16T in front for dirt or street. Running 16/45 would be better than running 16/43. One guy reported having to downshift a lot under load running 16/43. I think most will agree you can run at 5k rpm all day and not hurt the motor. One guy said he runs at 6.5k rpm for hours (~85mph). I think if you do that you will have to add oil often and also water to the battery if you have a vented battery. And, the mpg will drop drastically.
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Craig Kahler wrote: > > I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. > My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. > The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). > I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650. > > Craig Kahler > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > From: Jeff Khoury > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > To: "mark ward" > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > > > > > > Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you. I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. > > My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85. It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > From: "mark ward" > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > > > > > > > > Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. > While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off, you lower the RPMs on the Highway. > Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. > Where are you located? > > Mark (w. Mich.) > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas wrote: > > > From: Jim Douglas > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move > over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that. Typically I am not in a hurry to get > anywhere when I am riding. You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it! I am on my > 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! > > On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: > > > Greetings, > > I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. > > Dan >

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Post by spike55_bmw » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:56 am

If you have to run 70 - 85 mph for long periods of time most days, the KLR probably isn't the bike for you. Recently, I was relating a visit to the local dealer where they took in a 'Frankenstein - '08 KLR' as a trade on a Versa. The previous owner had wider Excel rims laced up to the KLR hubs, 19" front wheel, lowered it, pulled the guts out of the muffler, changed the forks, changed the gearing, had opened up the seat and carved out some foam and the cover was all baggy, dropped it while in motion on its right side, and there were probably other things changed / broken on it that I didn't see a first glance. I asked if the stock parts were available but they were not. I almost considered therapy after witnessing this. I realize we live in America and we can do whatever the hell we want, whether or not you have the money or it is a good idea but this previous owner should have had a heart-to-heart with himself before trying to make the mighty KLR into something it isn't. I'm not against modifying these bikes to make them "fit" you and your purposes or to improve their mechanical subparts but at a certain point you've got to ask yourself "did he fire 5 shots or 6"? Past that point, you're making a big mistake. Don R100, A6F
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" wrote: > > > > > > > Stock gearing is (I think) 15/43. Works for me. One guy switched to a 45 rear and runs either 14T or 16T in front for dirt or street. Running 16/45 would be better than running 16/43. One guy reported having to downshift a lot under load running 16/43. > > I think most will agree you can run at 5k rpm all day and not hurt the motor. One guy said he runs at 6.5k rpm for hours (~85mph). I think if you do that you will have to add oil often and also water to the battery if you have a vented battery. And, the mpg will drop drastically. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Craig Kahler wrote: > > > > I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. > > My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. > > The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). > > I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650. > > > > Craig Kahler > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > > > From: Jeff Khoury > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > To: "mark ward" > > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you. I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. > > > > My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85. It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > > > > > > From: "mark ward" > > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, "Jim Douglas" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. > > While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off, you lower the RPMs on the Highway. > > Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. > > Where are you located? > > > > Mark (w. Mich.) > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas wrote: > > > > > > From: Jim Douglas > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move > > over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that. Typically I am not in a hurry to get > > anywhere when I am riding. You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it! I am on my > > 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! > > > > On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. > > > > Dan > > >

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klr cruise speed question

Post by RobertWichert » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:22 pm

Motorcyclists, as a general rule, tend to muck with their bikes.  Some more than others.  e.g. cafe racers, choppers, bobbers, etc. etc.  Modifying is one of the attractions of motorcycling.  After all, you can't bring your pickup into your front room very easily. As for cruise speed, the stock KLR 650 will run for hours at an indicated 85 mph.  I've done it without problem on many occasions.  I now have a 13 tooth front sprocket and I don't do that any more.  It "will" go that fast, but it's too high on the tach for me. Cheers and Happppppy New Year!   Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================
On 1/1/2011 2:56 AM, spike55_bmw wrote:   If you have to run 70 - 85 mph for long periods of time most days, the KLR probably isn't the bike for you. Recently, I was relating a visit to the local dealer where they took in a 'Frankenstein - '08 KLR' as a trade on a Versa. The previous owner had wider Excel rims laced up to the KLR hubs, 19" front wheel, lowered it, pulled the guts out of the muffler, changed the forks, changed the gearing, had opened up the seat and carved out some foam and the cover was all baggy, dropped it while in motion on its right side, and there were probably other things changed / broken on it that I didn't see a first glance. I asked if the stock parts were available but they were not. I almost considered therapy after witnessing this. I realize we live in America and we can do whatever the hell we want, whether or not you have the money or it is a good idea but this previous owner should have had a heart-to-heart with himself before trying to make the mighty KLR into something it isn't. I'm not against modifying these bikes to make them "fit" you and your purposes or to improve their mechanical subparts but at a certain point you've got to ask yourself "did he fire 5 shots or 6"? Past that point, you're making a big mistake. Don R100, A6F --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Ian" ocpianoman@... wrote: > > > > > > > Stock gearing is (I think) 15/43. Works for me. One guy switched to a 45 rear and runs either 14T or 16T in front for dirt or street. Running 16/45 would be better than running 16/43. One guy reported having to downshift a lot under load running 16/43. > > I think most will agree you can run at 5k rpm all day and not hurt the motor. One guy said he runs at 6.5k rpm for hours (~85mph). I think if you do that you will have to add oil often and also water to the battery if you have a vented battery. And, the mpg will drop drastically. > > --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Craig Kahler wrote: > > > > I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. > > My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front sprocket. > > The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to change,(while on the road). > > I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the room on a KLR650. > >   > > Craig Kahler > >   > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > > > From: Jeff Khoury > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > To: "mark ward" > > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" , "Jim Douglas" > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you.  I've had a few from different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. > > > > My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat refused to do even a hair over 85.  It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY needed another gear. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > > > > > > From: "mark ward" > > To: "DSN _KLR650" , "Jim Douglas" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. > > While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off,  you lower the RPMs on the Highway. > > Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything you want about a KLR650, including links. > > Where are you located? > >   > > Mark (w. Mich.) > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas wrote: > > > > > > From: Jim Douglas > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > To: "DSN _KLR650" > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > >   > > > > Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move > > over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable on a KLR past that.  Typically I am not in a hurry to get > > anywhere when I am riding.  You will have a blast with the KLR and hope you have a wonderful time with it!  I am on my > > 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! > > > > On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: > >   > > > > Greetings, > > > > I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance for the feedback. > > > > Dan > > >

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klr cruise speed question

Post by spike55_bmw » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:54 pm

I too can get to 85-90 mph (GPS measured) with my 15T:44T (97.7% of stock) sprocket combo for brief periods but it's no fun. Again, it's America, you can run your KLR at 85 if you want. Don R100, A6F
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > Motorcyclists, as a general rule, tend to muck with their bikes. Some > more than others. e.g. cafe racers, choppers, bobbers, etc. etc. > Modifying is one of the attractions of motorcycling. After all, you > can't bring your pickup into your front room very easily. > > As for cruise speed, the stock KLR 650 will run for hours at an > indicated 85 mph. I've done it without problem on many occasions. I > now have a 13 tooth front sprocket and I don't do that any more. It > "will" go that fast, but it's too high on the tach for me. > > > Cheers and Happppppy New Year! > > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > On 1/1/2011 2:56 AM, spike55_bmw wrote: > > > > If you have to run 70 - 85 mph for long periods of time most days, the > > KLR probably isn't the bike for you. > > > > Recently, I was relating a visit to the local dealer where they took > > in a 'Frankenstein - '08 KLR' as a trade on a Versa. The previous > > owner had wider Excel rims laced up to the KLR hubs, 19" front wheel, > > lowered it, pulled the guts out of the muffler, changed the forks, > > changed the gearing, had opened up the seat and carved out some foam > > and the cover was all baggy, dropped it while in motion on its right > > side, and there were probably other things changed / broken on it that > > I didn't see a first glance. I asked if the stock parts were available > > but they were not. I almost considered therapy after witnessing this. > > > > I realize we live in America and we can do whatever the hell we want, > > whether or not you have the money or it is a good idea but this > > previous owner should have had a heart-to-heart with himself before > > trying to make the mighty KLR into something it isn't. > > > > I'm not against modifying these bikes to make them "fit" you and your > > purposes or to improve their mechanical subparts but at a certain > > point you've got to ask yourself "did he fire 5 shots or 6"? Past that > > point, you're making a big mistake. > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "Ian" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock gearing is (I think) 15/43. Works for me. One guy switched to > > a 45 rear and runs either 14T or 16T in front for dirt or street. > > Running 16/45 would be better than running 16/43. One guy reported > > having to downshift a lot under load running 16/43. > > > > > > I think most will agree you can run at 5k rpm all day and not hurt > > the motor. One guy said he runs at 6.5k rpm for hours (~85mph). I > > think if you do that you will have to add oil often and also water to > > the battery if you have a vented battery. And, the mpg will drop > > drastically. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , Craig Kahler wrote: > > > > > > > > I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. > > > > My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front > > sprocket. > > > > The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to > > change,(while on the road). > > > > I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the > > room on a KLR650. > > > > > > > > Craig Kahler > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Khoury > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > To: "mark ward" > > > > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > >, "Jim Douglas" > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the > > haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you. I've had a few from > > different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they > > have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. > > > > > > > > My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat > > refused to do even a hair over 85. It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY > > needed another gear. > > > > > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "mark ward" > > > > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > >, "Jim Douglas" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. > > > > While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep > > sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off, you lower > > the RPMs on the Highway. > > > > Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything > > you want about a KLR650, including links. > > > > Where are you located? > > > > > > > > Mark (w. Mich.) > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jim Douglas > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp > > in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move > > > > over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable > > on a KLR past that. Typically I am not in a hurry to get > > > > anywhere when I am riding. You will have a blast with the KLR > > and hope you have a wonderful time with it! I am on my > > > > 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! > > > > > > > > On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but > > am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 > > miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different > > handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working > > pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway > > (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just > > under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively > > been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not > > accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike > > could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I > > have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike > > or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance > > for the feedback. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > >

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klr cruise speed question

Post by ron criswell » Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:38 pm

I am sort of puzzled as to the debate about running a KLR at 80mph (indicated) with stock gearing for long distances. I do it and have done it many times. 500 to 600 and even 700 plus mile days. I cruise at about the same speed on the highway as I do my Concours. I know the Connie will cruise faster but I don't like paying the county mounty fines. The only problem I have with KLR power is passing a truck in the mountains. If I ride to Moab from Dallas / Ft. Worth, coming back I ride from Chama NM to Dallas / Ft. Worth in one day usually in pretty hot weather and either with stock windshield or none at all. It does it just fine and I don't add oil. I use Shell Rotella Dino 15 / 40 W ........ and use the Eldon Carl specified amount on oil filling (2 quarts plus 19 ounces if I remember correctly). I asked a friend whose business is teaching small engine repair at a local Jr College if that would hurt it? He said no as you are running it at about 2/3rds it's powerband (5200 rpm roughly). He owns 2 KLR's himself. One has about 75,000 miles on it. I have another friend that has one that he put a 17 inch wheel on front and a fat tire on back taking it to track days and was repeatedly hitting 8 grand on the tach. He asked me if I thought that would hurt it. Yes I said. His is still running. Mine is still running great at 53,000 plus miles. Some say Kawasaki is going to put the Versy engine in the KLR. As a Versy owner also, I don't that engine is right for the KLR for dirt use. I like the big thumper power characteristics of the KLR for off road. Maybe they could make a 800 cc thumper with about 50 rearwheel horsepower and 6 gears. That would be better in my opinion for our uses with a KLR. Gee maybe with EFI too. Criswell Sent from my iPad
On Jan 1, 2011, at 4:54 PM, "spike55_bmw" wrote:
  I too can get to 85-90 mph (GPS measured) with my 15T:44T (97.7% of stock) sprocket combo for brief periods but it's no fun. Again, it's America, you can run your KLR at 85 if you want. Don R100, A6F --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > Motorcyclists, as a general rule, tend to muck with their bikes. Some > more than others. e.g. cafe racers, choppers, bobbers, etc. etc. > Modifying is one of the attractions of motorcycling. After all, you > can't bring your pickup into your front room very easily. > > As for cruise speed, the stock KLR 650 will run for hours at an > indicated 85 mph. I've done it without problem on many occasions. I > now have a 13 tooth front sprocket and I don't do that any more. It > "will" go that fast, but it's too high on the tach for me. > > > Cheers and Happppppy New Year! > > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > On 1/1/2011 2:56 AM, spike55_bmw wrote: > > > > If you have to run 70 - 85 mph for long periods of time most days, the > > KLR probably isn't the bike for you. > > > > Recently, I was relating a visit to the local dealer where they took > > in a 'Frankenstein - '08 KLR' as a trade on a Versa. The previous > > owner had wider Excel rims laced up to the KLR hubs, 19" front wheel, > > lowered it, pulled the guts out of the muffler, changed the forks, > > changed the gearing, had opened up the seat and carved out some foam > > and the cover was all baggy, dropped it while in motion on its right > > side, and there were probably other things changed / broken on it that > > I didn't see a first glance. I asked if the stock parts were available > > but they were not. I almost considered therapy after witnessing this. > > > > I realize we live in America and we can do whatever the hell we want, > > whether or not you have the money or it is a good idea but this > > previous owner should have had a heart-to-heart with himself before > > trying to make the mighty KLR into something it isn't. > > > > I'm not against modifying these bikes to make them "fit" you and your > > purposes or to improve their mechanical subparts but at a certain > > point you've got to ask yourself "did he fire 5 shots or 6"? Past that > > point, you're making a big mistake. > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > , "Ian" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock gearing is (I think) 15/43. Works for me. One guy switched to > > a 45 rear and runs either 14T or 16T in front for dirt or street. > > Running 16/45 would be better than running 16/43. One guy reported > > having to downshift a lot under load running 16/43. > > > > > > I think most will agree you can run at 5k rpm all day and not hurt > > the motor. One guy said he runs at 6.5k rpm for hours (~85mph). I > > think if you do that you will have to add oil often and also water to > > the battery if you have a vented battery. And, the mpg will drop > > drastically. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > , Craig Kahler wrote: > > > > > > > > I have found it could use both a lower low and higher high gear. > > > > My work around has been alternating between a 13T and 16T front > > sprocket. > > > > The problem is the sprockets are not quick and easy to > > change,(while on the road). > > > > I have thought of making a dual sprocket setup, but can't find the > > room on a KLR650. > > > > > > > > Craig Kahler > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Khoury > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > To: "mark ward" > > > > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" > > >, "Jim Douglas" > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, as a philosophical point - if you have a hankerin' for the > > haul-ass, a big single isn't the bike for you. I've had a few from > > different manufacturers and they all have one thing in common: they > > have scads of torque but peter out quickly on the top-end. > > > > > > > > My Suzuki Savage would pull a house off its foundations but flat > > refused to do even a hair over 85. It was a 4-speed... it DEFINITELY > > needed another gear. > > > > > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "mark ward" > > > > To: "DSN _KLR650" > > >, "Jim Douglas" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:27:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some change the front sprocket adding 1 tooth. > > > > While you loose some torque in 1st, (good for steap hills, deep > > sand, etc.) and use a little higher RPMs starting off, you lower > > the RPMs on the Highway. > > > > Check out (Google Bigcee & KLR650) at the bottom almost everything > > you want about a KLR650, including links. > > > > Where are you located? > > > > > > > > Mark (w. Mich.) > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jim Douglas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jim Douglas > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR Cruise Speed Question > > > > To: "DSN _KLR650" > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think we all want just one more gear. To me, and others will chirp > > in, 60-65 is best for cruising. Sometimes you will have to move > > > > over for the big SUV's and BMW's but I have never been comfortable > > on a KLR past that. Typically I am not in a hurry to get > > > > anywhere when I am riding. You will have a blast with the KLR > > and hope you have a wonderful time with it! I am on my > > > > 3rd one now and just may end up keeping this one! > > > > > > > > On 12/28/2010 11:28 AM, Dan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > I've owned a number of different dual sport and street bikes but > > am new to the KLR scene. I picked up a stock 2007 KLR with about 2000 > > miles on it and I am trying to familarize myself with it's different > > handling characterists. I've noticed that the bike seems to be working > > pretty hard when I am riding at sustained speeds on the highway > > (typically 65 - 75 mph). The bike is generating about 5000 rpm at just > > under 75 mph indicated speed. My highway riding has almost exclusively > > been on larger displacement multi-cylinder bikes so perhaps I am not > > accustomed to the KLR's feel at speed, but it sure feels like the bike > > could use another gear. I don't want to change the gearing because I > > have been riding the bike off-road as well. Am I overtaxing the bike > > or is it at home cruising along at this speed/rpm? Thanks in advance > > for the feedback. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > >

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klr cruise speed question

Post by revmaaatin » Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:21 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: SNIP . It does it just fine and I don't add oil. I use Shell Rotella Dino 15 / 40 W ........ and use the Eldon Carl specified amount on oil filling (2 quarts plus 19 ounces if I remember correctly). Why, Eldon Carl must be a very smart man. smile (2 US quarts) plus (19 US fluid ounces) = 2.45460295 liters which, incidentally is 'very close to the 2.5L number on the case for volume. Carl's .05L less would account for trapped fluid. I asked a friend whose business is teaching small engine repair at a local Jr College if that would hurt it? He said no as you are running it at about 2/3rds it's powerband (5200 rpm roughly). Also very good advice. Crossing the Judean desert (Feb 1997) on our way to see the Dead Sea, and specifically the Fortress Masada, we were in a Subaru rental car, hammering along at 95mph indicated. I turned to one of my Lt's. and said, "How fast do you think this car will go?" He immediately replied, "95mph?" No. It will do 97mph. We continued on for a few miles; the Ensign in the rear asked, "Why aren't we doing 97mph?" I looked at him in the mirror and smiled, "You don't want to be to hard on the motor." If the IDF had stopped us = me, I would have gotten more than a 'ticket', probably accommodations for at least a night.... The Judean desert would have been a lovely place for a KLR.... SNIP Some say Kawasaki is going to put the Versy engine in the KLR. As a Versy owner also, I don't that engine is right for the KLR for dirt use. I like the big thumper power characteristics of the KLR for off road. Maybe they could make a 800 cc thumper with about 50 rear wheel horsepower and 6 gears. That would be better in my opinion for our uses with a KLR. Gee maybe with EFI too. > > Criswell Realistically, I don't think there will be many new motorcycle offering until we see a huge turnaround in the world economy. China might be the next be market place, however, their historical limited enforcement of copyright laws, they might just reverse engineer a bike like what you describe and only offer it for sale in China--and we would never see it here. The Versy engine in a KLR type frame--could be used as is; changing the sprockets to make it what you wanted it to be = stump puller or a knobbie tired rocket ship with nice forks. Surprises me someone has not come up with a plug and play DS exhaust system. There are some Versy frankenbikes out there that can be seen in various forums. revmaaatin.

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