travel lock - cable - chain question

[k650@verizon.net]

Attachments : I usually manage to mount my tires without using lube even with dual rim locks.

Occasionally and only if needed I use silicone spray on the “trouble” spot.

 

Walt

 

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Jeff Khoury [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, August 23, 2010 16:41 [b]To:[/b] Bob K [b]Cc:[/b] thehaymaker@xr650r.us; dsn klr650 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help

 

I use Windex on the road (I carry a 6oz bottle for cleaning mirrors and face shields), and Simple Green at home.  Simple green is some slick stuff. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob K" cbrxx98@hotmail.com> To: thehaymaker@xr650r.us, "dsn klr650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:26:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help  

WD-40 makes rubber swell.....that's the opposit of what he wants.   Bob 09

 

 

To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: TheHaymaker@xr650r.us Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:06:32 -0400 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help  

Am I the only one who uses WD40 as a lube for working tires? I carry one of those tiny cans you can find occasionally and use that on the trail. WD is superior to soap because it is such a worthless lube that it dries up upon assembly, vs soap that is slick again at the next mudhole. It has helped cures rim spin on my XR650R permanently. Get rid of the cotters and other stuff and go with a locknut. I carry small vise grips to stop bead "walk" when assembling. They also make a tool to do this. Chances are if you can't get the last of the bead to come over is that you aren't pushing the tire into the center of the wheel. You gotta start in the right place so the rimlock doesn't prevent this from happening. E

[Jud]

Have you remembered to push both beads down into the drop center of the rim opposite where you are working? This essential step is often forgotten, leading people to seek longer and longer tire levers. If you are doing it right, it really does not call for much force. Those Motion Pro T6 levers are the shizzle, but you ought to be able to lever the tire on and off with the 6" levers from a BMW tool kit. Doing it without pinching the tube is another matter, which is why I swear by the MP spoons. Lube helps, but it is not essential at this point. You really need it when seating the bead. I use talc as lube. Dish soap works, but leaves a sticky residue that can interfere with breaking the bead next time. Talc does triple duty, as it also lubes the tube inside the casing, and helps keep your butt cool and dry on the road. Keep your powder dry and it will return the favor.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "idaho_mtgoat" wrote: > > Well after 8500 smiles I have my first rapid air down of a tire. My rear tire acquired a sheet rock screw and went flat fast with the resultant distruction of the tube. I was close to home so just trailered it home and set about to change the tire with the tools I carry on-board (first flat repair). I made it almost all the way through. I am down to the last 12" to 14" of the tire to coax over the rim and I am stymied. Are there any tricks to getting the last little bit of the tire to slide over the rim? I am using two Pro-Motion wrench/bar combos and a 8" flat steel tire iron. Any hints and tricks would be appreciated. > > Additionally which side do most "lay in the dirt" when changing a rear tire? I opted for the sprocket side. > > BTW the items I have on my list to add are the little tool to fish the valve through the hole in the rim and a better set of pliers to easier remove the axle cotter pin. Best place to find each (4" quality slip joint pliers seem hard to locate)? > > Thanks > Pat >

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I used to use hitch pins but found if you are riding in brushy stuff, they can get pulled out by twigs or vines. I started putting a wrap of duct tape around the open end to make sure it didn't accidently get pulled out. After a guy in Moab went out on the White Rim and came back with his front axle nut missing and he was using hitch pins, I went back to cotter keys. Criswell

On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote:   I use a hitch pin as well.  Saves tons of time and effort. -Jeff Khoury ----- Original Message ----- From: "transalp 1" To: "KLR650 list" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:43:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help   My mechanic doesn't use pliers to remove cotter pins. He uses diagonal cutters. 1st, he snips the bent ends off. Then he grabs the head of the pin with the cutters - careful not to cut on through it and then levers it out of the hole sort of like a hammer pulling a nail. The pin comes right out. Of course, he has a ready supply of new cotter pins always on hand, too. Me? I've got a hitch pin vs a cotter pin. It stays in place but removes easily when I need it. eddie > [Original Message] > > From: idaho_mtgoat > (snip) > > BTW the items I have on my list to add are the little tool to fish the valve through the hole in the rim and a better set of pliers to easier remove the axle cotter pin. Best place to find each (4" quality slip joint pliers seem hard to locate)? > > > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > > >

[E Hines]

[dooden]

Small zip tie over the open ends helps, used to but have yet to loose a hitch pin, but also make sure the open ends are pointing down and backward. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@..." wrote: > > I used to use hitch pins but found if you are riding in brushy stuff, they can get pulled out by twigs or vines. I started putting a wrap of duct tape around the open end to make sure it didn't accidently get pulled out. After a guy in Moab went out on the White Rim and came back with his front axle nut missing and he was using hitch pins, I went back to cotter keys. > > Criswell > On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > > I use a hitch pin as well. Saves tons of time and effort. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "transalp 1" > > To: "KLR650 list" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:43:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help > > > > > > > > My mechanic doesn't use pliers to remove cotter pins. He uses diagonal > > cutters. 1st, he snips the bent ends off. Then he grabs the head of the pin > > with the cutters - careful not to cut on through it and then levers it out > > of the hole sort of like a hammer pulling a nail. The pin comes right out. > > Of course, he has a ready supply of new cotter pins always on hand, too. > > Me? I've got a hitch pin vs a cotter pin. It stays in place but removes > > easily when I need it. > > eddie > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: idaho_mtgoat > > > (snip) > > > > BTW the items I have on my list to add are the little tool to fish the > > valve through the hole in the rim and a better set of pliers to easier > > remove the axle cotter pin. Best place to find each (4" quality slip joint > > pliers seem hard to locate)? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Eric J Foster]

[i]"WD-40 makes rubber swell.....that's the opposite of what he wants.   Bob 09" [/i]So what you're telling me is that the fact it works better than soap, and I have done it dozens of times, is all in my imagination? I suppose you also thing WD40 will make normal grips fit a 7/8" bar instead of simply making them easier to slide on and then evaporating? Even if it does swell, I'm pretty sure it won't make a bike tire look like an atv tire and no longer fit. Don't knock it 'til you try it! E

[Shane]

Best retainer I have seen is the one used on OMC (Johnson- Evinrude) motors. Go to any OMC dealer and get the clips for the Tilt/Trim cross pin. They are stainless to boot. No tools required to fit or remove.

> > I used to use the hitch clips until I found axle clips. > http://www.tpimotorcycleparts.com/%c3%82%c2%a0 Look under klr tires. P00838. I have never > lost one. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "roncriswell@..." > To: Jeff Khoury > Cc: transalp1@...; KLR650 list DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 4:56:32 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help > > > I used to use hitch pins but found if you are riding in brushy stuff, they can > get pulled out by twigs or vines. I started putting a wrap of duct tape around > the open end to make sure it didn't accidently get pulled out. After a guy in > Moab went out on the White Rim and came back with his front axle nut missing and > he was using hitch pins, I went back to cotter keys. > > > Criswell > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > > > > >I use a hitch pin as well. Saves tons of time and effort. > > > >-Jeff Khoury > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "transalp 1" > >To: "KLR650 list" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:43:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help > > > > > > > >My mechanic doesn't use pliers to remove cotter pins. He uses diagonal > >cutters. 1st, he snips the bent ends off. Then he grabs the head of the pin > >with the cutters - careful not to cut on through it and then levers it out > >of the hole sort of like a hammer pulling a nail. The pin comes right out. > >Of course, he has a ready supply of new cotter pins always on hand, too. > >Me? I've got a hitch pin vs a cotter pin. It stays in place but removes > >easily when I need it. > >eddie > > > >> [Original Message] > >> > From: idaho_mtgoat > >> (snip) > >> > BTW the items I have on my list to add are the little tool to fish the > >valve through the hole in the rim and a better set of pliers to easier > >remove the axle cotter pin. Best place to find each (4" quality slip joint > >pliers seem hard to locate)? > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "idaho_mtgoat" wrote:

> > BTW the items I have on my list to add are the little tool to fish the valve through the hole in the rim > > Thanks > Pat >

Watch Doug Schopinsky install a tire/tube onto the rim w/o the need to futz with the valve stem http://motocross.transworld.net/1000067471/features/tuesday-tip-tire-changing-part-2/ this works and well...this is the way I change my tube tires now...and not having to mess with the valve stem ....also, Doug's addage about "if you're having a hard time, you're doing something wrong" All too true Jake Reddick Fla. Education is a method whereby one acquires a higher grade of prejudices. -- Laurence J. Peter http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1033821114 p {margin:0;}Bookmarked and added to the permanent collection. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "sh8knj8kster" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:11:42 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tire Repair Hints and Tricks Help   --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "idaho_mtgoat" wrote: > > BTW the items I have on my list to add are the little tool to fish the valve through the hole in the rim > > Thanks > Pat > Watch Doug Schopinsky install a tire/tube onto the rim w/o the need to futz with the valve stem http://motocross.transworld.net/1000067471/features/tuesday-tip-tire-changing-part-2/ this works and well...this is the way I change my tube tires now...and not having to mess with the valve stem ....also, Doug's addage about "if you're having a hard time, you're doing something wrong" All too true Jake Reddick Fla. Education is a method whereby one acquires a higher grade of prejudices. -- Laurence J. Peter http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Eric J Foster wrote:

> > Am I the only one who uses WD40 as a lube for working tires? I carry > one of those tiny cans you can find occasionally and use that on the > trail. WD is superior to soap because it is such a worthless lube that > it dries up upon assembly, vs soap that is slick again at the next > mudhole. It has helped cures rim spin on my XR650R permanently. >

~~~I've used WD-40 in the past to lube tire beads. it works well...at home I use a conventional tire soap and add water to get the consistency i like...I keep some in a metal (staniless steel) dish and also keep a small paint brush in the dish to apply the lube with...it's dry now but the addition of a little water, and I'm ready to R&R any tire=:-)

> Get rid of the cotters and other stuff and go with a locknut. >

~~~I know we've been told from the beginning of time, to never re-use a cotter pin on your motorcycle axle, but I do. Way back when I was taught to keep one side of the cotter pin straight and only to bend the other side of the pin slightly...just enough so the pin wont come out but when straightened (w/your fingers of pliers) will easily slide out, and used again and again. It's always worked for me and I've never lost a cotter pin bending only one side slightly. I'm not recommending for others to follow suit here. Rather, I'm mentioning what I do

> I carry small vise grips to stop bead "walk" when assembling. They also > make a tool to do this. >

~~~~here's what I use http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0388/ ~~~I keep one in my tool box and the other in a fender bag on the front fender of my KLR, along with tire irons, new tube, small patch kit

> Chances are if you can't get the last of the bead to come over is that > you aren't pushing the tire into the center of the wheel. You gotta > start in the right place so the rimlock doesn't prevent this from happening. > > E >

1 ~~~The above tool I provided a link to will keep the bead in the center well of the rim. Very nice tool for this and also to free up a hand so you don't have to keep one tire iron in the same spot to keep the tire bead from walking up the rim. Tried and true on both my KLR rims (front and rear) Jake Reddick Fla. "Decaf? What's the point?! It's kind of like kissing your sister." -Anonymous Theater Patron, 11/14/09 http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/