power loss at speed

[Bogdan Swider]

Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 30,000 miles In some ways I’m not a fan of K&N filters. It seems people put them on reflexively and assume performance gains and superior filtration. I purchased my bike when it was a year old and had 4k miles. I would not be riding with a K&N had not original owner installed one. Reading the post below, however, it seems less of a PITA than the original. Bogdan

On 3/2/10 1:59 PM, "Thomas Komjathy" klrsisfiddy@...> wrote:

        My experience with the foam filter oils is; they tend to get way to tacky and are a PITA to clean. I use a heavy weight motor oil and yes, a pan of dish soap and warm water, cleans them up nicely. The last one I did for a customer, the filter was so tacky, the foam would tear as I pulled my hand away from it. They were using a manufacturers recommended filter oil. The small amount that dripped onto the swing arm, wouldn't come off with Kerosene, WD-40, or alcohol, I  had to scrape the stuff off and finish up with acetone. TK [b]From:[/b] skypilot110 chris.eckert@...> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 2, 2010 6:02:36 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: 30,000 miles        KLR Rider; But Madge, is that air filter cleaner gental enough for my skin? Madge; It sure is, in fact your soaking in it! Agreed, a pan of soapy dish water works as long as the oil you are using isnt the un removable stuff from K&N. Not sure how the Kawasaki branded stuff is but I've heard it is awful close to the Notoil --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > I use a highly advanced, super-motorcycle- specific solvent. > > Concentrated DAWN dish soap. >            

[Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solut]

#ygrps-yiv-1743725074 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} I have one Kawasaki filter and one UNI filter. The Uni is a "Two stage" and the the Kawasaki oil, NoToil, works fine and comes off ok if you use the filter cleaner. The Kawasaki filter does not feel like it will last as long as the UNI.  Admitedly, the NoToil/Kawasaki/honda... oil that requires the special cleaner is a pain in the @$$ and it wont fly if I am on the road. Traveling will see it done with motor oil only but it will need to be done at every oil change with the lower tack of the motor oil, IMHO.   The trick is to have two or three so it is easier to use the better tackier oil. When you do the filter you prep both and put one in. Put the other in a #10 tin can, big restaraunt sized tomato can. I used the can opener that cuts the side so the lid fits snug. Then I put a piece of gutter mesh in the bottom of the can to hold the filter a half inch off the bottom of the can. Toss the second oiled filter in there to sit, and drain if needed, until you need to swap it. I only need to use the PITA cleaner once ever two filter changes that way.   Storring them in Ziplocks would probably work as well but I refuse to bow to logical thinking   [b]From:[/b] Thomas Komjathy [mailto:klrsisfiddy@...] [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:00 PM [b]To:[/b] Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.); DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 30,000 miles My experience with the foam filter oils is; they tend to get way to tacky and are a PITA to clean. I use a heavy weight motor oil and yes, a pan of dish soap and warm water, cleans them up nicely. The last one I did for a customer, the filter was so tacky, the foam would tear as I pulled my hand away from it. They were using a manufacturers recommended filter oil. The small amount that dripped onto the swing arm, wouldn't come off with Kerosene, WD-40, or alcohol, I  had to scrape the stuff off and finish up with acetone. TK ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************

[Craig Kahler]

My xj750 used a paper filter as do many othe bikes. Has anyone tried to modify the air box to accept a paper filter? Craig Kahler

--- On [b]Tue, 3/2/10, Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.) [i][/i][/b] wrote:

From: Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.) Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 30,000 miles To: "Thomas Komjathy" , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:38 PM   I have one Kawasaki filter and one UNI filter. The Uni is a "Two stage" and the the Kawasaki oil, NoToil, works fine and comes off ok if you use the filter cleaner. The Kawasaki filter does not feel like it will last as long as the UNI.  Admitedly, the NoToil/Kawasaki/ honda... oil that requires the special cleaner is a pain in the @$$ and it wont fly if I am on the road. Traveling will see it done with motor oil only but it will need to be done at every oil change with the lower tack of the motor oil, IMHO.   The trick is to have two or three so it is easier to use the better tackier oil. When you do the filter you prep both and put one in. Put the other in a #10 tin can, big restaraunt sized tomato can. I used the can opener that cuts the side so the lid fits snug. Then I put a piece of gutter mesh in the bottom of the can to hold the filter a half inch off the bottom of the can. Toss the second oiled filter in there to sit, and drain if needed, until you need to swap it. I only need to use the PITA cleaner once ever two filter changes that way.   Storring them in Ziplocks would probably work as well but I refuse to bow to logical thinking   [b]From:[/b] Thomas Komjathy [mailto:klrsisfiddy @...] [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:00 PM [b]To:[/b] Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.); DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 30,000 miles My experience with the foam filter oils is; they tend to get way to tacky and are a PITA to clean. I use a heavy weight motor oil and yes, a pan of dish soap and warm water, cleans them up nicely. The last one I did for a customer, the filter was so tacky, the foam would tear as I pulled my hand away from it. They were using a manufacturers recommended filter oil. The small amount that dripped onto the swing arm, wouldn't come off with Kerosene, WD-40, or alcohol, I  had to scrape the stuff off and finish up with acetone. TK ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *** This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***

[k650]

> Not sure what Honda puts in their seat foam, but horses like the taste > of the seat cover and seat foam. (The bike will run with chunks of seat > foam missing....) > > revmaaatin. >

Honda does not put the attractant in it - you do. Horses are not the only animals attracted and other items like boots are also likely to be chewed. The attractant is salt and comes from your sweat. Walt