spring battery maint; charging a new conventional battery

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> > List, > The bike is a KLR 250. > > In your experience- > How long would you expect a OEM non-O/ring chain to last? (chain and sprokets with 1000 miles on them now) > --given proper maintenance of 200 mile chain lube etc. > > In the 5K mile range? > Or is it 3K mile or 10K mile > Yes, I know it is replace on condition--but what should you expect? > > Chain maintenace: > Is 200 miles/maintenace interval often enough for an non- O ring chain? or does it 'need' to be every 100 miles? > > Conditions will be 3000 typical dual sport miles-- > > some slab, > much gravel > some sand > some mud > some water crossings > some smiles. > > revmaaatin. >

In the days when most bikes came with non-o-ring chains, the only way to log enough miles to wear out a chain was to ride a shaft-drive bike.

[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:20:12 -0000 "revmaaatin" writes:

> List, > The bike is a KLR 250. > > In your experience- > How long would you expect a OEM non-O/ring chain to last? (chain and > sprokets with 1000 miles on them now) > --given proper maintenance of 200 mile chain lube etc. > > In the 5K mile range? > Or is it 3K mile or 10K mile > Yes, I know it is replace on condition--but what should you expect? > > Chain maintenace: > Is 200 miles/maintenace interval often enough for an non- O ring > chain? or does it 'need' to be every 100 miles? > > Conditions will be 3000 typical dual sport miles-- > > some slab, > much gravel > some sand > some mud > some water crossings > some smiles. > > revmaaatin.

<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> Martin, I'm not current on chain life but in the mid 70s on my Suzuki TS185, I think it had a 420 chain but don't remember for sure, I got about 4,000 smiles on the stock chain. I sold the bike before I wore out the replacement chain. The chain I wore out was really worn out with no more adjustment left at the swing arm. I used 90 weight gear lube on the chain with an oil can hose clamped to the frame and a small rubber tube to the chain. Everytime I did a stream crossing I'd give the oil can a couple of pumps to hopefully lube the chain. Best, Jeff Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIjD3NkipDOuuvneSP69wLKqFHaVrks6nsjfU8fatPErgWV5qLeEo/

[Rick McCauley]

My KLR650 has almost 19,000 on the original chain. I measured it yesterday as I am putting a new rear tire on. It's right at the limit, so I am replacing it. I ride a lot of gravel, and dirt roads, but no sand. I use wheel bearing grease to lubricate my chain. I get some on the end of a paint brush and apply a thin film to the bottom run of the chain before I ride. There are several ways to lube a chain, but I prefer grease. It really clings to the rollers. The 250 has a smaller chain, with smaller contact patches on the sprockets, but it also has less power. I don't see why it's chain couldn't last just as long with frequent care. With my new chain, I am going to try cleaning the chain every 2,000 miles or so. That should minimize the amount of grit stuck in the grease. Who knows I may get 20,000+ miles out of this one. Rick A17

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, revmaaatin wrote: From: revmaaatin Subject: [DSN_KLR650] chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 5:20 PM List, The bike is a KLR 250. In your experience- How long would you expect a OEM non-O/ring chain to last? (chain and sprokets with 1000 miles on them now) --given proper maintenance of 200 mile chain lube etc. In the 5K mile range? Or is it 3K mile or 10K mile Yes, I know it is replace on condition--but what should you expect? Chain maintenace: Is 200 miles/maintenace interval often enough for an non- O ring chain? or does it 'need' to be every 100 miles? Conditions will be 3000 typical dual sport miles-- some slab, much gravel some sand some mud some water crossings some smiles. revmaaatin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Larry]

FWIW. It's clean and doesn't attract dirt. Available in Lowe's tool dept. http://www.properautocare.com/dupelu.html?gclid=CMCZmKm7_ZkCFRFMagodTgaVFA LB.

[Rick McCauley]

Very interesting. Sounds great, and I bet it would be easier to keep the back rim clean too. Teflon is amazing stuff. I just don't want my chain to be the Ginnea Pig. But if anyone out there decides to try it, I hope they will do a report on their findings. Rick A17

--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Larry wrote: From: Larry Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 12:30 PM FWIW. It's clean and doesn't attract dirt. Available in Lowe's tool dept. http://www.properau tocare.com/ dupelu.html? gclid=CMCZmKm7_ ZkCFRFMagodTgaVF A LB. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Kurt Grife]

I'vr been using the Dupont Teflon spray for a couple of years now and get chain life almost as good as Bogdan does with WD40! JT Sprockets and DID X-ring chain last about 20k miles for me.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > Very interesting. > Sounds great, and I bet it would be easier to keep the back rim clean too. Teflon is amazing stuff. > I just don't want my chain to be the Ginnea Pig. But if anyone out there decides to try it, I hope they will do a report on their findings. > > Rick > A17 > > > --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Larry wrote: > > From: Larry > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 12:30 PM > > > > > > > > > FWIW. It's clean and doesn't attract dirt. Available in Lowe's tool dept. > http://www.properau tocare.com/ dupelu.html? gclid=CMCZmKm7_ ZkCFRFMagodTgaVF A > > LB. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Rick McCauley]

I am totally amazed that WD-40 works as a chain lube. Do you apply it and then let it sit so it gets gummy? If you spray it before a ride, doesn't it just fling off? Sounds like a cheap way to lube your chain, AND clean the surrounding areas. (WD-40 is an excellent cleaner) I use WD-40 for hundreds of thing, but never as a chain lube. Rick A17

--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Kurt Grife wrote: From: Kurt Grife Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 5:05 PM I've been using the Dupont Teflon spray for a couple of years now and get chain life almost as good as Bogdan does with WD40! JT Sprockets and DID X-ring chain last about 20k miles for me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote:

> > I am totally amazed that WD-40 works as a chain lube. Do you apply it and then let it sit so it gets gummy? > If you spray it before a ride, doesn't it just fling off? > Sounds like a cheap way to lube your chain, AND clean the surrounding areas. (WD-40 is an excellent cleaner) > I use WD-40 for hundreds of thing, but never as a chain lube. >

Lots of guys will jump into a discussion like this and tell us again what an inferior lubricant WD40 is. Of course they are right, but miss the point. There is no chain treatment regimen, lubricant, spooge or snake oil that has been shown to give longer chain life than WD40 on a bike that sees a significant amount of dirt sand, mud or other unpaved surfaces. Nothing works better, except a continuous-flow chain oiler.

[Rick McCauley]

Hi Jud I think you misunderstood my last sentence. I was stating that I have never used WD-40 as a chain lubricant. I didn't mean that I would not use it, just that I had not so far. But I am questioning when the best time to apply it is. Before or after a ride? I assume that it would be best afterwards, so that it has a chance to get gummy before the next ride. Is that assumption correct? Rick A17

--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jud Jones wrote: From: Jud Jones Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:17 PM --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > I am totally amazed that WD-40 works as a chain lube. Do you apply it and then let it sit so it gets gummy? > If you spray it before a ride, doesn't it just fling off? > Sounds like a cheap way to lube your chain, AND clean the surrounding areas. (WD-40 is an excellent cleaner) > I use WD-40 for hundreds of thing, but never as a chain lube. > Lots of guys will jump into a discussion like this and tell us again what an inferior lubricant WD40 is. Of course they are right, but miss the point. There is no chain treatment regimen, lubricant, spooge or snake oil that has been shown to give longer chain life than WD40 on a bike that sees a significant amount of dirt sand, mud or other unpaved surfaces. Nothing works better, except a continuous-flow chain oiler. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[n9udl]

I wonder if, since WD-40 is supposed to displace moisture, after the ride would be better since it would remove moisture that would cause rusting. However, I'm sure the correct answer is both before *and* after the ride. I am following the Motorex clean/lube regimen that my brother believes in, but the WD-40 method sounds like a lot less work and possibly less messy. I almost attempted the "2x4 under the sidestand, hammer under the swingarm" method of chain-lubing mentioned earlier, but I could not press through the anxiety I was feeling about possibly launching my un-manned KLR through the wall of the garage.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > Hi Jud > I think you misunderstood my last sentence. I was stating that I have never used WD-40 as a chain lubricant. I didn't mean that I would not use it, just that I had not so far. > > But I am questioning when the best time to apply it is. Before or after a ride? > I assume that it would be best afterwards, so that it has a chance to get gummy before the next ride. Is that assumption correct? > > Rick > A17