swing arm removal

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" > If I go to Mexico, then I will reinstall the filters (carried on both > bikes) and lug around a gallon of fuel I cannot use. >

Martin, don't worry about extra fuel in MX; you will never have to go more than maybe 110 mi. between fill-ups. There are a lot of routes where 60-90 miles is a very full day. I wouldn't worry about fuel quality down there, either. We have never had a problem.

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> My recently purchased A-12 had a red-canister with a stone filter > installed; guess what! It also stored gas--except the performance > was even worse! It would not allow you to smoothly switch to reserve > without coming to a complete stop--and then cranking, cranking, > cranking. When it ran out of fuel on "main", it was like turning of > the lights. Absolutely no warning.

The "filter" on my bike is a clear disc with what looks like the same sort of mesh that's around the petcock rods in it. I.e., it's just a screen, not a "real" filter. I had an experience similar to yours with one of those cone-type filters and thus did the rational thing -- pitched it in the trash. Reality is that any dirt small enough to get through the screen is too small to bother our primitive carburetors, so (shrug). I too see no reason to have a "real" fuel filter on our KLR's. _E

[rockiedog2]

I am done with filters too I think...I like E.L.'s philosophy that our carbs will pass large chunks so why bother...if heading to areas like Mexico I might take a chamois to run the gas thru when fueling. But no more filters. I found out on my recent Alaska trip(unfiltered) that it will keep running(sort of) on a gas/water mix til the bowl fills up completely with water(I guess that's what was happening) and then it will quit but draining the bowl gets it going again...but it does steam out the tailpipe and miss and surge and such . I wonder if the fancy BMWs riding with me would have kept running. When running a filter I was hauling a gallon of gas with me locally even, cause I never did really know how far the thing was gonna go on that particular tank...another thought on the filter/water issue-if it is a water trap type filter and you have much water at all it will probably plug near immediately and shut you down Joe

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" > wrote: > > > > Rev > > > > I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the line > > between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the time > I > > had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run > out...I > > assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure > was > > inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was back > to > > normal. Anybody else had this problem? > > > > Joe > > > Joe, > I am glad you asked. > > My A-15 'stored' 25 miles of gas when it had a cone-shaped filter > installed. Jeff Saline had the identical filter, bought off the same > card at the BMW dealer in Sturgis...no problems. shrug. (stored gas=a > lot more fuel than you would think was in the tank at the next fill > up. ie it took only 4.8 gallons after running ~10 miles on > reserve.) I immediately went to the tractor store and change the > fuel line! After two heave-ho's to get to the double secret reserve, > I was through with that filter. > > Fast forward, 4 years. > > My recently purchased A-12 had a red-canister with a stone filter > installed; guess what! It also stored gas--except the performance > was even worse! It would not allow you to smoothly switch to reserve > without coming to a complete stop--and then cranking, cranking, > cranking. When it ran out of fuel on "main", it was like turning of > the lights. Absolutely no warning. > > This past week, the dumb beast ran out of gas (I knew I had forgotten > to remove the filter, cough, and it reminded me ~4 miles from home. > Home I went, and to the tractor store for fuel line. > > While it was so low on fuel, I thought I would look in the tank. > sort of like, "if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the > question"....sigh. > > Rust? No. > Missing short straw on the petcock. fritz. > Off with the tank, drain the fuel into a measured container; 1 > gallon, 3 pts! > !WHAT!! > That is nuts. I am sure to kill that filter now. Two bikes, > identical performance on the filters. > > Long story short: 1/4 inch fuel line (metric 7mm would have been > better) install, short straw on the petcock chased down ~30 minutes > later, the tank, petcock and straws installed, and the fuel back in > the tank. > > Guess how far it went before going to reserve? Joe you got the > answer there! about a total of 25 miles. Driving the final ~8 miles > to the shell station after switching to reserve, (filter removed) it > took exactly 5 gallons of fuel. > > Fuel filters are a nice idea, but they don't work for me, in my own > application of long distances between gas stations. > > If I go to Mexico, then I will reinstall the filters (carried on both > bikes) and lug around a gallon of fuel I cannot use. > > As a side bar note: where the short straw lay in the tank, there is > a ''stain', could be rust started, definitely was some reaction, > likely due to moisture trapped between the loose straw and the tank. > YMMV, but the next time you are low on fuel, shine a flashlight in > the hole. > > Mark V.Horn said he had gone for some time without a petcock straw-- > had I not found my petcock straw, I would have reinstalled the > filter. It was really annoying to have the fuel-filtered bike go to > reserve at 157 miles (the first time (big head winds, heavy > throttle), and then cough, cough, cough and run at only ~55mph > because it could not transfer enough fuel to run 65. > > The second time I hit reserve was at 188 miles--but it would still > not pull more than 55mph without cough, cough, cough--even dying a > second time. Even coasting with the engine engaged, neither time did > the vaccum petcock allow the fuel to drain. > > Note: If you remove the petcock and want to drain the fuel--use a > big funnel. No, use a BIGer funnel, cause it isn't all going to go > in the 'lil 6" funnel--however, it will go on your shoe, shop floor > and on your pants. > > you might say, the whole thing was a 'gas'. > > revmaaatin. no fuel filters for me. >

[D Critchley]

As ethanol becomes more common in gas, the water problems will minimise. in Canada it is common practise to use "Gas Line antifreeze" to prevent ice blockages in the fuel lines. The alcohol mixes with the water and the result will burn and leave the system, instead of sitting on the bottom, separated from the fuel by gravity, until the engine tries to burn water. This is impossible, as is known by everyone except new brides learning cookery. Just an observation. DC rockiedog2 wrote:

> > I am done with filters too I think...I like E.L.'s philosophy that > our carbs will pass large chunks so why bother...if heading to areas > like Mexico I might take a chamois to run the gas thru when fueling. > But no more filters. I found out on my recent Alaska trip(unfiltered) > that it will keep running(sort of) on a gas/water mix til the bowl > fills up completely with water(I guess that's what was happening) and > then it will quit but draining the bowl gets it going again...but it > does steam out the tailpipe and miss and surge and such . I wonder if > the fancy BMWs riding with me would have kept running. When running a > filter I was hauling a gallon of gas with me locally even, cause I > never did really know how far the thing was gonna go on that > particular tank...another thought on the filter/water issue-if it is > a water trap type filter and you have much water at all it will > probably plug near immediately and shut you down > > Joe > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "rockiedog2" > > wrote: > > > > > > Rev > > > > > > I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the > line > > > between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the > time > > I > > > had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run > > out...I > > > assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure > > was > > > inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was > back > > to > > > normal. Anybody else had this problem? > > > > > > Joe > > > > > Joe, > > I am glad you asked. > > > > My A-15 'stored' 25 miles of gas when it had a cone-shaped filter > > installed. Jeff Saline had the identical filter, bought off the > same > > card at the BMW dealer in Sturgis...no problems. shrug. (stored > gas=a > > lot more fuel than you would think was in the tank at the next fill > > up. ie it took only 4.8 gallons after running ~10 miles on > > reserve.) I immediately went to the tractor store and change the > > fuel line! After two heave-ho's to get to the double secret > reserve, > > I was through with that filter. > > > > Fast forward, 4 years. > > > > My recently purchased A-12 had a red-canister with a stone filter > > installed; guess what! It also stored gas--except the performance > > was even worse! It would not allow you to smoothly switch to > reserve > > without coming to a complete stop--and then cranking, cranking, > > cranking. When it ran out of fuel on "main", it was like turning > of > > the lights. Absolutely no warning. > > > > This past week, the dumb beast ran out of gas (I knew I had > forgotten > > to remove the filter, cough, and it reminded me ~4 miles from > home. > > Home I went, and to the tractor store for fuel line. > > > > While it was so low on fuel, I thought I would look in the tank. > > sort of like, "if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the > > question"....sigh. > > > > Rust? No. > > Missing short straw on the petcock. fritz. > > Off with the tank, drain the fuel into a measured container; 1 > > gallon, 3 pts! > > !WHAT!! > > That is nuts. I am sure to kill that filter now. Two bikes, > > identical performance on the filters. > > > > Long story short: 1/4 inch fuel line (metric 7mm would have been > > better) install, short straw on the petcock chased down ~30 minutes > > later, the tank, petcock and straws installed, and the fuel back in > > the tank. > > > > Guess how far it went before going to reserve? Joe you got the > > answer there! about a total of 25 miles. Driving the final ~8 > miles > > to the shell station after switching to reserve, (filter removed) > it > > took exactly 5 gallons of fuel. > > > > Fuel filters are a nice idea, but they don't work for me, in my own > > application of long distances between gas stations. > > > > If I go to Mexico, then I will reinstall the filters (carried on > both > > bikes) and lug around a gallon of fuel I cannot use. > > > > As a side bar note: where the short straw lay in the tank, there > is > > a ''stain', could be rust started, definitely was some reaction, > > likely due to moisture trapped between the loose straw and the > tank. > > YMMV, but the next time you are low on fuel, shine a flashlight in > > the hole. > > > > Mark V.Horn said he had gone for some time without a petcock straw-- > > had I not found my petcock straw, I would have reinstalled the > > filter. It was really annoying to have the fuel-filtered bike go > to > > reserve at 157 miles (the first time (big head winds, heavy > > throttle), and then cough, cough, cough and run at only ~55mph > > because it could not transfer enough fuel to run 65. > > > > The second time I hit reserve was at 188 miles--but it would still > > not pull more than 55mph without cough, cough, cough--even dying a > > second time. Even coasting with the engine engaged, neither time > did > > the vaccum petcock allow the fuel to drain. > > > > Note: If you remove the petcock and want to drain the fuel--use a > > big funnel. No, use a BIGer funnel, cause it isn't all going to go > > in the 'lil 6" funnel--however, it will go on your shoe, shop floor > > and on your pants. > > > > you might say, the whole thing was a 'gas'. > > > > revmaaatin. no fuel filters for me. > > > >

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[rockiedog2]

Right. Understand that it won't burn water but it will sure try...as soon as we got to civilization I put some injector cleaner/alcohol in it and things got way better...and later some Seafoam which also helped. Thanks Joe

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, D Critchley wrote: > > As ethanol becomes more common in gas, the water problems will minimise. > in Canada it is common practise to use "Gas Line antifreeze" to prevent > ice blockages in the fuel lines. The alcohol mixes with the water and > the result will burn and leave the system, instead of sitting on the > bottom, separated from the fuel by gravity, until the engine tries to > burn water. This is impossible, as is known by everyone except new > brides learning cookery. > Just an observation. > DC > > rockiedog2 wrote: > > > > I am done with filters too I think...I like E.L.'s philosophy that > > our carbs will pass large chunks so why bother...if heading to areas > > like Mexico I might take a chamois to run the gas thru when fueling. > > But no more filters. I found out on my recent Alaska trip (unfiltered) > > that it will keep running(sort of) on a gas/water mix til the bowl > > fills up completely with water(I guess that's what was happening) and > > then it will quit but draining the bowl gets it going again...but it > > does steam out the tailpipe and miss and surge and such . I wonder if > > the fancy BMWs riding with me would have kept running. When running a > > filter I was hauling a gallon of gas with me locally even, cause I > > never did really know how far the thing was gonna go on that > > particular tank...another thought on the filter/water issue-if it is > > a water trap type filter and you have much water at all it will > > probably plug near immediately and shut you down > > > > Joe > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "rockiedog2" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rev > > > > > > > > I put one of the little cone shaped clear plastic ones in the > > line > > > > between the tank and carb and it would quit feeding about the > > time > > > I > > > > had to switch to reserve-about 25 miles before it used to run > > > out...I > > > > assumed there was just enough restriction that the head pressure > > > was > > > > inadequate when fuel got low. After removing the filter it was > > back > > > to > > > > normal. Anybody else had this problem? > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > Joe, > > > I am glad you asked. > > > > > > My A-15 'stored' 25 miles of gas when it had a cone-shaped filter > > > installed. Jeff Saline had the identical filter, bought off the > > same > > > card at the BMW dealer in Sturgis...no problems. shrug. (stored > > gas=a > > > lot more fuel than you would think was in the tank at the next fill > > > up. ie it took only 4.8 gallons after running ~10 miles on > > > reserve.) I immediately went to the tractor store and change the > > > fuel line! After two heave-ho's to get to the double secret > > reserve, > > > I was through with that filter. > > > > > > Fast forward, 4 years. > > > > > > My recently purchased A-12 had a red-canister with a stone filter > > > installed; guess what! It also stored gas--except the performance > > > was even worse! It would not allow you to smoothly switch to > > reserve > > > without coming to a complete stop--and then cranking, cranking, > > > cranking. When it ran out of fuel on "main", it was like turning > > of > > > the lights. Absolutely no warning. > > > > > > This past week, the dumb beast ran out of gas (I knew I had > > forgotten > > > to remove the filter, cough, and it reminded me ~4 miles from > > home. > > > Home I went, and to the tractor store for fuel line. > > > > > > While it was so low on fuel, I thought I would look in the tank. > > > sort of like, "if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the > > > question"....sigh. > > > > > > Rust? No. > > > Missing short straw on the petcock. fritz. > > > Off with the tank, drain the fuel into a measured container; 1 > > > gallon, 3 pts! > > > !WHAT!! > > > That is nuts. I am sure to kill that filter now. Two bikes, > > > identical performance on the filters. > > > > > > Long story short: 1/4 inch fuel line (metric 7mm would have been > > > better) install, short straw on the petcock chased down ~30 minutes > > > later, the tank, petcock and straws installed, and the fuel back in > > > the tank. > > > > > > Guess how far it went before going to reserve? Joe you got the > > > answer there! about a total of 25 miles. Driving the final ~8 > > miles > > > to the shell station after switching to reserve, (filter removed) > > it > > > took exactly 5 gallons of fuel. > > > > > > Fuel filters are a nice idea, but they don't work for me, in my own > > > application of long distances between gas stations. > > > > > > If I go to Mexico, then I will reinstall the filters (carried on > > both > > > bikes) and lug around a gallon of fuel I cannot use. > > > > > > As a side bar note: where the short straw lay in the tank, there > > is > > > a ''stain', could be rust started, definitely was some reaction, > > > likely due to moisture trapped between the loose straw and the > > tank. > > > YMMV, but the next time you are low on fuel, shine a flashlight in > > > the hole. > > > > > > Mark V.Horn said he had gone for some time without a petcock straw-- > > > had I not found my petcock straw, I would have reinstalled the > > > filter. It was really annoying to have the fuel-filtered bike go > > to > > > reserve at 157 miles (the first time (big head winds, heavy > > > throttle), and then cough, cough, cough and run at only ~55mph > > > because it could not transfer enough fuel to run 65. > > > > > > The second time I hit reserve was at 188 miles--but it would still > > > not pull more than 55mph without cough, cough, cough--even dying a > > > second time. Even coasting with the engine engaged, neither time > > did > > > the vaccum petcock allow the fuel to drain. > > > > > > Note: If you remove the petcock and want to drain the fuel--use a > > > big funnel. No, use a BIGer funnel, cause it isn't all going to go > > > in the 'lil 6" funnel--however, it will go on your shoe, shop floor > > > and on your pants. > > > > > > you might say, the whole thing was a 'gas'. > > > > > > revmaaatin. no fuel filters for me. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Jerry Zeeman writes:

> Knowledgeable KLRistas, > I have been lurking and absorbing the wealth of information > available while riding my '98 as often as possible. I am working on > building a FrankenKLR from my Ebay parts bike, and a legally titled > frame in the secret laboratory out behind the house. While stripping > rusted parts from the donor bike, I have come across a problem and > seek the collective wisdom of my fellow wizards. I am trying to > remove the bolt from the swing arm and from the bottom piece of rear > suspension without the use of a jack hammer. I have managed to get > both bolts to "rotate in place, but removal from the donor bike > seems impossible so far. I would love to remove the swing arm and > engine from the old frame to make some progress with my project, but > between the current heat wave, and frustration with two miserable > bolts, I am getting frustrated and want to ask for help before I > attempt stupid possibly destructive methods. Any or all suggestions > are welcomed. > Oh, and on a side note, If I wanted to replace the springs in my > front forks with spiffy cool progressive springs, do I need to > disassemble the front forks totally, or is it possible to remove the > old springs, and drop in the new ones without major surgery? I would > like to minimize down time on the everyday rider..., It is a blue, > '98. Not fast as the red ones, visible as the green ones, beautiful > as the black ones, but loyal until it stalls out, blue.... > Jerry

<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> Jerry, I've been there with Steve on his old blue bike. There were three of us removing the swing arm pivot bolt. Once we had it spinning Steve was on the head of the bolt with a breaker bar, extension and socket. He continued to rotate the bolt back and forth. I was on the other side with Kent. I was dumb enough to be the drift holder while Kent swung a large hammer. It took quite a few whacks to get the bolt to move. We were careful to have the nut installed at first (helps protect the threads) but the bolt doesn't have to move much before the nut has to be removed. My suggestion is to use a huge hammer on the end of the bolt and drive it out. You'll probably have to replace the bearings and maybe the sleeves too. The bolt will probably clean up on a wire wheel. For the fork springs I think,but haven't done it this way, that you can just do one side at a time and you won't have to prop the bike up. But that's just a guess. If you remove both fork caps the front of the bike will lower if it's not propped up somehow. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for free quote on home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3c5tePT5q1WRtaGGnDm5wzkeqWouAn7rUtVIGAgc6Ttcg/