unsafe adjuster - anybody selling a fix for this????

[Devon Jarvis]

I got a set of the ortleib dry bags as a birthday gift. I use them primarily for groceries, since I don't have a car and I don't take overnight trips without the wife and kid. They are waterproof, between the side bags, my tank bag, and an Ortleib dry duffel bungeed to the rack, I can fit a whole cart of groceries on my KLR, including the 128 pack of Pampers. If you are careless, or a moron (I can be either depending on the day I'm having) the thing about the straps getting caught in the wheels is unfortunately not ridiculous at all. I haven't gotten around to repairing the bag with the missing strap yet, but I am going to modify the lower tie-downs to eliminate much of the extra strap. I would recommend them highly. Devon mokan710 wrote: snip Aw c'mon man... There is a substitute for hard luggage. It's called

> waterproof soft luggage, and a good set can be found at > www.aerostich.com. Non of the "cons" listed above apply. At least > not to the Ortleibs. The thing about the straps getting in the spokes > is downright ludicrous, plus I would also be interested in hearing > about the "lots more".

[Brent Bacon]

Marsha, I will not express an opinion, but hopefully, I can give you some sites with pics and prices and that will assist you in making a decision. http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/36ltrmontop.html http://members.dencity.com/mac-d/page9.html http://www.chaseharper.com/ http://www.happy-trail.com/nwrack.htm http://www.tourmaster.com/luggage_bags.html# I hope this helps. brent

> Just got a KLR 650 and want to add luggage. I've seen the Happy- > Trails panniers, and like them, but want to find out what luggage > options will work (i.e. soft luggage, other hard bags). Hard to tell > by looking in the catalogues how they'll work, so thought I'd ask > the "experts!" > > Also, I'm not planning to install the lowering links, but I am > interested in the Corbin seat that lowers the bike, if anyone knows > of one for sale. > > Thanks, Marsha

[Brent Bacon]

> The Givi 21 liter side bags are the best setup, I think. Not intrusive,

no

> ground clearance issues, reasonable capacity, a good all around buy.

Randy, How do you mount the Givi 21's? Happy Trails or Mac-D racks? brent

[Bogdan Swider]

> Tim at Happy Trails told me > that the 45L is the only Givi > that will fit a full face helmet. > > > Barnaby. >

Been through this before. Hate to rag on a guy that bought me breakfast in Moab, ( actually it was because I was with Lew and Mariola, he has a crush on Lew ) but Tim doesn't know his own product. I've been storing my Nolan N-70 in my 36L for years. Yes, if the bag comes with a map case it must be removed. Bogdan, who wouldn't' buy a hard bag that wouldn't hold his helmet or a buy a, never mind

> > >

[Logan Randy P TSgt AFOTEC Det 3/TL]

I was in Italy at the time and didn't know about Mac D or Happy Trails. I used the Givi Wingrack setup (two side plates and a top) and modified the universal mount to fit the KLR. (Givi stuff is super cheap there...) Took a bit of ingenuity, but it's pretty sturdy and hasn't given me any problems. If I had to do it again, I would probably go with the Happy Trails setup... I'll try and post some pics tonight, don't have them here. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Brent Bacon [mailto:sniper@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Luggage/seat for KLR 650

> The Givi 21 liter side bags are the best setup, I think. Not intrusive,

no

> ground clearance issues, reasonable capacity, a good all around buy.

Randy, How do you mount the Givi 21's? Happy Trails or Mac-D racks? brent

[Logan Randy P TSgt AFOTEC Det 3/TL]

All right "Mokan", let me qualify my statements. In MY experience there is no substitute for hard luggage. I've had several different styles and makes of soft luggage and when compared I don't even think they come close. On to more specific rebuttals: "At least not to the Ortleibs. The thing about the straps getting in the spokes is downright ludicrous..." You're talking about a single brand and I'm talking about soft luggage in general. Most side bags (it was actually what I was referring to, should have specified that I guess) that I have seen have straps over the seat and one that goes around the back fender to keep it from sliding forward. That strap can get wrapped in the rear wheel. "I've used them over many miles- in rain and shine- with the Happy Trails side racks, which double as sturdy side protectors when I'm not hauling bags." So you had to add hard mounting points for your soft luggage... All right, you get the protection. But a hard case prevents the bike from landing on your leg in the event of a crash, a soft case will most likely not, plus it will probably shread off and get caught in the rear wheel. : ) "Everything has always stayed bone dry. No fading, tearing, melting, etc. No problems whatsoever." Maybe for the Ortleibs, like I said I have never used them. But I have never had bags that were waterPROOF. Most are water resistant, some more than others, but in a real gully washer, they will get wet. And all of your stuff will get wet, unless you use plastic bags to store it in. And when the bags get wet, they get super heavy, sag, then tear seams and straps. And don't even get me started on rain covers. They WILL get in your rear wheel unless you are ultra careful, which most people find it hard to be when you are PO'd on the side of a road in a downpour and all your stuff is getting wet. Then try getting any speed on the interstate with them on. Parachutes? "Not too long ago this list experienced a mild panic over sub-frame failures. I'm of the belief that fully loaded soft bags are easier on a bike in rough terrain than their rigid counterparts." Well, you may have me there, because I'm of the belief that fully loaded soft bags will not hold nearly as much as fully loaded hard bags. Period, end of story. Upgrade the sub frame (which I need to do I guess...) and pack away! "Imagine a 5-pound weight mounted on your head via a metal brace vs. one that's sitting on a pillow on top of your head. Which setup would you want to use if you were jumping off a chair? Kind of a goofy example but I think it makes my point." Huh? I would want the metal brace since the weight wouldn't actually hit me in the head. It would go right through the pillow and crack me in the skull the other way! I get you point, though, the weight has some suspension and isn't directly transferred to the frame. But I don't think that's a huge problem either way, mine hasn't failed me yet... knock on wood! "Also, being able to load 200 liters of cargo isn't necessarily a great thing for every adventure-tourer. It all depends on the kind of riding a person is going to do." Most of mine was paved roads in Europe (mountains and curves all the way!). Didn't do much off roading, but will now that I'm in New Mexico. I'm not planning on jumping over canyons or anything, so I can't see a problem with the weight. And my hard luggage totals 88, it would take 4 50L cases to get 200... "The security thing doesn't hold a lot of water with me either. If I'm in say, latin america, I'm still not going to leave my camera, GPS, passport, etc. in a hard tail trunk . I wouldn't do that under circumstances. There's a minimum level of vigilance one has to always maintain. The type of bags one has probably shouldn't make much difference. I'm still going to either unload my bike, keep it within view or pay some street urchin 50 cents to watch it until I return. " Agreed. But when you take your KLR to the local store, keeping your tool kit in one hard bag and a camera in the other isn't as much of a risk as leaving it in soft luggage. I understand nothing is truly safe, but it takes a lot more work to get in hard luggage than it does to get in soft. I guess it's my preference. "It's not by any means a slam-dunk in favor of either." IMO, it is. Hard luggage just are plain easier. Soft luggage can be just as functional as hard bags, but it takes a lot of experience with using it in general, plus finding the right setup for your bike. Even then it's still not as good as hard luggage. Hard luggage becomes an invisible accessory on a bike. Just throw stuff in, lock it, and forget it. Plus, have you ever used soft luggage as a seat? Nuff said... Randy Just enjoying a debate, not looking to ruffle any feathers... -----Original Message----- From: mokan710 [mailto:mokan710@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:21 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Luggage/seat for KLR 650 --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Logan Randy P TSgt AFOTEC Det 3/TL wrote:

> Marsha, > > First off, there is absolutely no substitute for hard luggage. The

only pro

> (to me) to soft luggage is it's light weight, while the cons are

numerous

> (not waterproof, seams rip, chafes plastic side covers, possibly

melts

> against muffler, fades in the sun, not secure, straps can get in the

wheel

> spokes, lots more...).

Aw c'mon man... There is a substitute for hard luggage. It's called waterproof soft luggage, and a good set can be found at www.aerostich.com. Non of the "cons" listed above apply. At least not to the Ortleibs. The thing about the straps getting in the spokes is downright ludicrous, plus I would also be interested in hearing about the "lots more". I've used them over many miles- in rain and shine- with the Happy Trails side racks, which double as sturdy side protectors when I'm not hauling bags. Everything has always stayed bone dry. No fading, tearing, melting, etc. No problems whatsoever. Not too long ago this list experienced a mild panic over sub-frame failures. I'm of the belief that fully loaded soft bags are easier on a bike in rough terrain than their rigid counterparts. Imagine a 5-pound weight mounted on your head via a metal brace vs. one that's sitting on a pillow on top of your head. Which setup would you want to use if you were jumping off a chair? Kind of a goofy example but I think it makes my point. Also, being able to load 200 liters of cargo isn't necessarily a great thing for every adventure-tourer. It all depends on the kind of riding a person is going to do. The security thing doesn't hold a lot of water with me either. If I'm in say, latin america, I'm still not going to leave my camera, GPS, passport, etc. in a hard tail trunk . I wouldn't do that under circumstances. There's a minimum level of vigilance one has to always maintain. The type of bags one has probably shouldn't make much difference. I'm still going to either unload my bike, keep it within view or pay some street urchin 50 cents to watch it until I return. Hard setups have a lot of positives. So do soft setups. It's not by any means a slam-dunk in favor of either. Sacrilege I know... Sorry for the ramble, but I felt there was a misrepresentation that needed to be countered. "Mokan"

[gpokluda]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Logan Randy P TSgt AFOTEC Det 3/TL wrote:

> All right "Mokan", let me qualify my statements. In MY experience

there is

> no substitute for hard luggage. I've had several different styles

and makes

> of soft luggage and when compared I don't even think they come

close. On to

> more specific rebuttals: > > "At least not to the Ortleibs. The thing about the straps getting

in the

> spokes is downright ludicrous..."

If I might add my thoughts. I have had all kinds of luggage on my KLR including, aluminum panniers, Givi cases, Ortleibs, Eclipse, Kawi bags. 30K miles, many camping trips and tours later I think the best possible option for a KLR650 is soft side bags like Ortleibs used with Happy Trails side racks and a Givi tail trunk. You get some lockable storage and still have the close fit of soft bags that do not disturb the balance of the bike and give it a nice trim profile that does not create lots of wind resistance or width. Gino

[mokan710]

> Randy > Just enjoying a debate, not looking to ruffle any feathers...

Well said! Lively and healthy debate can only benefit the group. "Mokan" (no feathers ruffled here)

[Danodemotoman]

Also IMO. I have had the Ortlieb bags of for two years. Trip to Mex Copper Canyon in '02 and the Utah Canyonlands including Monument Vally , Capital Reef/Burr Trail/Pacific coast from OR south on hwy 1/101 south of Pt Sur and back.. etc.. never had a problem with them. Dust free, dry, straps sayed STRAPPED. Can Pack a lot of stuff in them when the items are rolled tight/use of rubber bands/bags to keep then that way... think navy seabag where all clothing is rolled. Only type I have had so not doing a comparo, just pleased. Dan P Graham WA

> In MY experience

there is

> no substitute for hard luggage. I've had several different styles

and makes

> of soft luggage and when compared I don't even think they come

close. On to

> more specific rebuttals: > > "At least not to the Ortleibs. The thing about the straps getting

in the

> spokes is downright ludicrous..."

[Matthew]

Sagebrush may take on the project. I think Jake is researching it.

> wrote: > There are so many aftermarket parts available for > our KLR's, yet no > part to fix this problem? I havent looked into > adjusting mine so I > dont know much about it, but how easy would it be > for one of the KLR > mod makers (Dual Star, Happy Trails, Sagebrush, etc) > to build and > sell a fix for this? It sounds to me like it would > be THE must-have > item for the KLR and they'd sell a ton of them. I'd > think that if a > sub frame fix is available, an adjuster fix would be > too (unless its > not that simple of a fix)? Thoughts?? >

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