Oil

[fnitz]

Speaking of oil, additives and fuel octane, the articles linked from this web page seemed interesting (scroll to the bottom): http://www.baileycar.com/ Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pavone, John (GE, Corporate) Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:10 PM To: Mark; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL Mark, Motorcycle oils should have enough zinc but I've heard that some don't have friction modifiers because of their clutches. Motorcycle oils also tend to be a bit pricey. JP TC2787 . ........................................................................ .................... Just in from servicing my 66 Benelli, which I run with 20-50 Honda G-4 motorcycle oil; I bet that would work well for us, wouldnt it? I think Valvoline makes a 20-50 motorcycle oil as well. Regards Mark TC8126

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)" ge.com > To: "fnitz" net >; "Rick Waters" ca >; com >; com >; .com > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not > GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the > initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by > Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. > > I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil > 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have > diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a > good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a > few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to > the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. > > These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good > price: > > http://www.superche http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Se ... asp?Cat=46> vyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 http://www.superche http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Se ... asp?Cat=46> vyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46> > > JP > > TC2797 > > ________________________________ > > From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell. net ] > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM > To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol. com ; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); > acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM > regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. > > > > John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your > side here, recommending the same stuff. > > Fred TC1353 > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo. ca ] > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM > To: fnitz; joecurto@aol. com ; john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO > that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have > misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the > claims of any of these additive makers. > > > > -Rick Waters > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: fnitz net > > To: joecurto@aol. com ; john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > > For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their > products and got this reply: > > Dear Mr. Nitz, > > Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always > appreciate hearing from our consumers. > > Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary > information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times > the > amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil > Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps > you. > > Again, thank you for contacting us. > > Sincerely, > > Patti Copper > > Consumer Response Representative > > Consumer Services > > Fred TC1353 > > _____ > > From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On > Behalf Of > joecurto@aol. com > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM > To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. > com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL > > Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are > still > digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the > article > said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each > > Joe > > ************ ********* ********* ******** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. > http://www.aol. com. http://www.aol. http://www.aol.com.> com. http://www.aol. http://www.aol.com.> com.> > > com. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos > http://photos. http://photos.yahoo.ca> yahoo.ca http://photos. http://photos.yahoo.ca> yahoo.ca> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[js4955]

I just saw an add in a British car magazine for a new Castrol product called "Castrol Classic". It is supposed to be a 20w/50 oil based on the GTX formula used in the 1960s. Available in vintage style one gallon cans. Does anyone know anything about this product, is it the answer to our oil questions? And will it be available in the US? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John & Barbara]

They advertise Syntec 20w-50 for classic cars but I haven't seen a GTX product. John TC-5479

----- Original Message ----- From: js4955 To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:41 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Oil I just saw an add in a British car magazine for a new Castrol product called "Castrol Classic". It is supposed to be a 20w/50 oil based on the GTX formula used in the 1960s. Available in vintage style one gallon cans. Does anyone know anything about this product, is it the answer to our oil questions? And will it be available in the US? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[cliffknight@tiscali.co.uk]

Castrol Classic (the old GTX 20w/50) has been around for some time in the UK. It is fine for our cars, but in UK at least there are many alternatives at lower cost

>----Original Message---- >From: js4955@verizon.net >Date: 29/11/2009 21:41 >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subj: [mg-tabc] Oil > >I just saw an add in a British car magazine for a new Castrol product called "Castrol Classic". It is supposed to be a 20w/50 oil based

on the GTX formula used in the 1960s. Available in

>vintage style one gallon cans. Does anyone know anything about this product, is it the answer to our oil questions? And will it be

available in the US?

>Jim > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

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[Robert F. Butson.]

Cliff, I was about to purchase a Castrol Classic drum, what are the cheaper alternatives...Bob. Wales [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Robert F.Butson.]

Castrol GTX 20/50 oil used to have 0.110 ZDDP. This was changed to 0.080 a few years ago, then it was available at an advantageous price in 5 Gallon drums, free delivery. Since 2011 Its ZDDP is reduced 0.060. Does this mean that it is no longer suitable for T Types and what are the recommended alternatives for UK users. (Also oil for gearbox and diff) ...Bob Wales UK

[mcnarryjr mcnarryjr]

The ZDDP additive is there to improve the wear rate of the surfaces of the cam and lifter. it isn't benificial to any other parts of the engine. If your intent is to drive your TC anywhere then using a roller cam like Len Fanelli's solves the oil issue. You can then use multi-grade oils that are redily available just like any other modern car. John McNarry TC 6338 Manitoba [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Karl Vacek]

If you're replacing your cam and lifters anyway, that's great. But if not, you can buy an oil specifically formulated for older cars that need the higher levels of ZDDP, or you can use one of the ZDDP additives that are distributed by most of the old-car suppliers. ZDDPlus is the additive I currently use because it's the one I usually see, but there are others too. For the small price and the infrequent oil changes in a car like this, there's just no reason not to add this insurance. Karl Vacek TC 6370 Riverside, Illinois From: mcnarryjr Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Oil The ZDDP additive is there to improve the wear rate of the surfaces of the cam and lifter. it isn't benificial to any other parts of the engine. If your intent is to drive your TC anywhere then using a roller cam like Len Fanelli's solves the oil issue. You can then use multi-grade oils that are redily available just like any other modern car. John McNarry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bill Hyatt]

-Bill From: Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 7:14 PM To: Robert F. Butson; 'mgtabc@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Oil Bob, ZDDP in engine oils has been cut back drastically since the 80's when catalytic converters were introduced for emission control. ZDDP adversely impacts the lifespan & effectiveness of the C.C.'s thus dealing ZDDP additives a deathblow. Over the years ZDDP levels have had a mandated gradual reduction till they have reached currant legal levels. There are still any # of high content (1000ppm2-2000ppm) ZDDP oils available suitable for pre C.C. cars. Castrol "Classic" is one example (though doesn't seem to be readily available in USA). Racing oils , motorcycle oils, etc all still have high levels of ZDDP as they don't use C.C's. Many cam company's offer ZDDP additive (see ZDDPlus) that can be added to oil. Redline oils for cars have high (1200ppm) ZDDP levels as do Amsoil, Valvoline, & Mobile 1 cycle & racing oils. See http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf See other coil company's web sites to determine their ZDDP levels in oils for off road non C.C applications. E.g. Mobile 1 0-50 racing oil has 1850 ppm of ZDDP which seems to be on a par with other Mfgrs. off road, non road car (c/w C.C's), race & motorcycle oils including Castrol Classic. Conventional Redline motor oils have 1200ppm ZDDP, cycle Redline oils have 2100ppm ZDDP & Redline racing oils have 2500PPM ZDDP. Again, this seems fairly consistent among other Mfgrs. comparable products. As far as Diff & Trans. Lubes are concerned, GL- 5 lubes should be avoided in favor of GL-4 which don't use additives that harm yellow metals in gear boxes e.g. Redline 75-140NS is suitable for the tranny, & Redline 80W 140 for Diff. Bill TC 4926 Odessa, Florida. From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert F.Butson. Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:36 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Oil Castrol GTX 20/50 oil used to have 0.110 ZDDP. This was changed to 0.080 a few years ago, then it was available at an advantageous price in 5 Gallon drums, free delivery. Since 2011 Its ZDDP is reduced 0.060. Does this mean that it is no longer suitable for T Types and what are the recommended alternatives for UK users. (Also oil for gearbox and diff) ...Bob Wales UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Robert F.Butson.]

Morris Lubricants recommend their Golden Film SAE 30 engine oil for a TA. This has a stated ZDDP level of 500 to 650ppm. They state that "too much ZDDP is as bad as too little", this infers that their oil has an ideal amount. Conventional Redline has a level of 1200ppm and Racing Redline a level of 2500ppm. My question is what do group members think about what level is ideal?.....Bob Wales UK TA 0844