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[fnitz]

For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol http://www.aol.com> com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick Waters]

I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz fnitz@pacbell.net> To: joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol http://www.aol com.> com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fnitz]

I was working on cars when STP was first introduced. We joked that it stood for Stop Terrible Pounding. Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Waters Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM To: fnitz; joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz net> To: joecurto@aol. com; john.pavone@ ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. http://www.aol. com.> com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fnitz]

The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your side here, recommending the same stuff. Fred TC1353 _____ From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM To: fnitz; joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz fnitz@pacbell.net> To: joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol http://www.aol com. http://www.aol.com> > com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _____ Share your photos with the people who matter at http://photos.yahoo.ca> Yahoo! Canada Photos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)]

I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good price: http://www.superchevyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 JP TC2797 ________________________________ From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol.com; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your side here, recommending the same stuff. Fred TC1353 ________________________________ From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM To: fnitz; joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz fnitz@pacbell.net> To: joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol http://www.aol com. http://www.aol.com> > com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________ Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos http://photos.yahoo.ca> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fnitz]

John, I'm curious, does the Cam and Lifter Pre-Lube package state the ZDDP percentage? That is the route I am planning to go. I don't think the high zinc Delo (or any diesel oil) will be available all that much longer because all new diesels are built with catalytic converters. Of course, I may not be around all that much longer either:-). I was getting a lot of cold tappet noise with 20W-50 oil too and switched to 10W-30. That helped a lot. Regards, Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pavone, John (GE, Corporate) Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:18 AM To: fnitz; Rick Waters; joecurto@aol.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good price: http://www.superche http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Se ... asp?Cat=46> vyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 JP TC2797 ________________________________ From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell. net] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol. com; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your side here, recommending the same stuff. Fred TC1353 ________________________________ From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo. ca] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM To: fnitz; joecurto@aol. com; john.pavone@ ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz net> To: joecurto@aol. com; john.pavone@ ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. http://www.aol. com. http://www.aol. http://www.aol.com.> com.> > com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________ Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos http://photos. http://photos.yahoo.ca> yahoo.ca> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)]

Fred, There no percentages on the package, just the ingredients: sulfonic acids, petroleum calcium salts paraffin oil butene homopolymer Phosphorodithioic acid 0-(2-ethylhexyl) 0-(2-methylpropyl) ester, zinc salt. Yikes!!! How's your oil pressure with the lighter oil? JP TC2797

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John, I'm curious, does the Cam and Lifter Pre-Lube package state the ZDDP percentage? That is the route I am planning to go. I don't think the high zinc Delo (or any diesel oil) will be available all that much longer because all new diesels are built with catalytic converters. Of course, I may not be around all that much longer either:-). I was getting a lot of cold tappet noise with 20W-50 oil too and switched to 10W-30. That helped a lot. Regards, Fred TC1353 ________________________________ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pavone, John (GE, Corporate) Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:18 AM To: fnitz; Rick Waters; joecurto@aol.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good price: http://www.superchevyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 http://www.superchevyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46> JP TC2797 ________________________________ From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell.net ] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol.com ; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); acmehumor@yahoo.com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your side here, recommending the same stuff. Fred TC1353 ________________________________ From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo.ca ] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM To: fnitz; joecurto@aol.com ; john.pavone@ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo.com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz fnitz@pacbell.net > To: joecurto@aol.com ; john.pavone@ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo.com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol http://www.aol com. http://www.aol.com http://www.aol.com> > > com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________ Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos http://photos.yahoo.ca http://photos.yahoo.ca> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred]

Hi John, If the gauge is accurate at idle I get 55# cold, 45-50# warm but the engine only has 1300 miles since rebuild. I am presently running 10-30 mineral based oil as I don't think the lifters are seated yet, but would like to get the ZDDP percentage up over .130% by weight. Did you ever sell your steering gear / pitman arm? Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pavone, John (GE, Corporate) Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:57 AM To: fnitz; Rick Waters; joecurto@aol.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL Fred, There no percentages on the package, just the ingredients: sulfonic acids, petroleum calcium salts paraffin oil butene homopolymer Phosphorodithioic acid 0-(2-ethylhexyl) 0-(2-methylpropyl) ester, zinc salt. Yikes!!! How's your oil pressure with the lighter oil? JP TC2797

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John, I'm curious, does the Cam and Lifter Pre-Lube package state the ZDDP percentage? That is the route I am planning to go. I don't think the high zinc Delo (or any diesel oil) will be available all that much longer because all new diesels are built with catalytic converters. Of course, I may not be around all that much longer either:-). I was getting a lot of cold tappet noise with 20W-50 oil too and switched to 10W-30. That helped a lot. Regards, Fred TC1353 ________________________________ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Pavone, John (GE, Corporate) Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:18 AM To: fnitz; Rick Waters; joecurto@aol. com; acmehumor@yahoo. com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good price: http://www.superche http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Se ... asp?Cat=46> vyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 http://www.superche http://www.superchevyperformance.com/Se ... asp?Cat=46> vyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46> JP TC2797 ________________________________ From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell. net ] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol. com ; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your side here, recommending the same stuff. Fred TC1353 ________________________________ From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo. ca ] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM To: fnitz; joecurto@aol. com ; john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the claims of any of these additive makers. -Rick Waters ----- Original Message ---- From: fnitz net > To: joecurto@aol. com ; john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their products and got this reply: Dear Mr. Nitz, Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always appreciate hearing from our consumers. Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times the amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps you. Again, thank you for contacting us. Sincerely, Patti Copper Consumer Response Representative Consumer Services Fred TC1353 _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol. com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are still digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the article said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each Joe ************ ********* ********* ******** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol. http://www.aol. com. http://www.aol. http://www.aol.com.> com. http://www.aol. http://www.aol.com.> com.> > > com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________ Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos http://photos. http://photos.yahoo.ca> yahoo.ca http://photos. http://photos.yahoo.ca> yahoo.ca> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mark]

Just in from servicing my 66 Benelli, which I run with 20-50 Honda G-4 motorcycle oil; I bet that would work well for us, wouldnt it? I think Valvoline makes a 20-50 motorcycle oil as well. Regards Mark TC8126

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)" john.pavone@ge.com> To: "fnitz" fnitz@pacbell.net>; "Rick Waters" rwmgtc@yahoo.ca>; joecurto@aol.com>; acmehumor@yahoo.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not > GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the > initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by > Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. > > I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil > 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have > diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a > good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a > few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to > the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. > > These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good > price: > > http://www.superchevyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 > > JP > > TC2797 > > ________________________________ > > From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell.net] > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM > To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol.com; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); > acmehumor@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM > regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. > > > > John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your > side here, recommending the same stuff. > > Fred TC1353 > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo.ca] > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM > To: fnitz; joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO > that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have > misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the > claims of any of these additive makers. > > > > -Rick Waters > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: fnitz fnitz@pacbell.net> > To: joecurto@aol.com; john.pavone@ge.com; acmehumor@yahoo.com; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > > For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their > products and got this reply: > > Dear Mr. Nitz, > > Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always > appreciate hearing from our consumers. > > Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary > information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times > the > amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil > Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps > you. > > Again, thank you for contacting us. > > Sincerely, > > Patti Copper > > Consumer Response Representative > > Consumer Services > > Fred TC1353 > > _____ > > From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On > Behalf Of > joecurto@aol. com > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM > To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. > com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL > > Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are > still > digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the > article > said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each > > Joe > > ************ ********* ********* ******** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol > http://www.aol com. http://www.aol.com> > com. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos > http://photos.yahoo.ca> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

[Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)]

Mark, Motorcycle oils should have enough zinc but I've heard that some don't have friction modifiers because of their clutches. Motorcycle oils also tend to be a bit pricey. JP TC2787 . ........................................................................ .................... Just in from servicing my 66 Benelli, which I run with 20-50 Honda G-4 motorcycle oil; I bet that would work well for us, wouldnt it? I think Valvoline makes a 20-50 motorcycle oil as well. Regards Mark TC8126

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)" john.pavone@ge.com > To: "fnitz" fnitz@pacbell.net >; "Rick Waters" rwmgtc@yahoo.ca >; joecurto@aol.com >; acmehumor@yahoo.com >; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > I'm actually using GM Camshaft and Lifter Pre-lube #12345501 (4oz), not > GM EOS #1052367 (16oz). The later is recommended to be used just for the > initial running of a newly rebuilt engine. This is the recommendation by > Hot Rod Magazine and the GM motor heads. > > I use it in my old Buick and added some to TC2797, which has Pennzoil > 20W-50 in it. Valve noise, especially when cold, seems to have > diminished a bit but I could just be imagining this. This seems like a > good way to fortify oils which don't have adequate zinc. I still have a > few cases of Pennzoil 20W-50 that I need to use up before switching to > the Delo 400, so the GM stuff is added during oil changes. > > These guys sell both EOS and the GM Camshaft-lifter prelube at a good > price: > > http://www.superchevyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46 http://www.superchevyperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=46> > > JP > > TC2797 > > ________________________________ > > From: fnitz [mailto:fnitz@pacbell.net ] > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:28 PM > To: 'Rick Waters'; joecurto@aol.com ; Pavone, John (GE, Corporate); > acmehumor@yahoo.com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > The data that I am inclined to believe is the product data from GM > regarding their cam lube and break in additive products. > > > > John Pavone, have you figured anything out? Hot Rod Magazine is on your > side here, recommending the same stuff. > > Fred TC1353 > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rick Waters [mailto:rwmgtc@yahoo.ca ] > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:08 PM > To: fnitz; joecurto@aol.com ; john.pavone@ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo.com ; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > I believe Chip Old noted in one of his technical articles in the TSO > that STP (or more accurately Andy Granatelli) were found to have > misrepresented their products at one point in the past. I am wary of the > claims of any of these additive makers. > > > > -Rick Waters > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: fnitz fnitz@pacbell.net > > To: joecurto@aol.com ; john.pavone@ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo.com ; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 9:35:02 AM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] OIL > > > > > For what it's worth, I asked STP about the ZDDP content of some of their > products and got this reply: > > Dear Mr. Nitz, > > Thank you for contacting us about STP Oil Stabilizer DISC. We always > appreciate hearing from our consumers. > > Unfortunately, the amount of zddp used in the product is proprietary > information. However, what I can tell you is that it contains 6 times > the > amount of zddp as what the motor oils use to contain. The STP Oil > Treatment contains 4 times the amount. I hope this information helps > you. > > Again, thank you for contacting us. > > Sincerely, > > Patti Copper > > Consumer Response Representative > > Consumer Services > > Fred TC1353 > > _____ > > From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com ] On > Behalf Of > joecurto@aol. com > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:51 AM > To: john.pavone@ ge.com ; acmehumor@yahoo. > com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] OIL > > Ok I did not know, I have bought the GM EOS and the tappet lube, we are > still > digesting the applications on the bottles, it was not as cheap as the > article > said I had to buy a case of each and retail price was about 12.00 each > > Joe > > ************ ********* ********* ******** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol > http://www.aol com. http://www.aol.com http://www.aol.com> > > com. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos > http://photos.yahoo.ca http://photos.yahoo.ca> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]