trouble in paradise & john b.

[Jeffrey]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/10/26/2723320/2-on-motorcycle-dead-woman-faces.html It isn't just texters, there are crazy, mean, drunk, high, cagers out there!

[Chris]

It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. Chris

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Jeffrey wrote: > ** > > > > http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/10/26/2723320/2-on-motorcycle-dead-woman-faces.html > > It isn't just texters, there are crazy, mean, drunk, high, cagers out > there! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Holy shit... that's awful. I don't know you, but I'm so sorry for your loss. I've been spending a lot of time down in Charlotte over the past two years. Stories like these definitely raise my level of alertness. I'll be going back down there again in March and/or April. Mark At 4:05 PM -0400 10/26/11, Chris wrote:

>It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and >grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them >head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month >after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. > >Chris

[Jeff Khoury]

Ditto. Terribly sorry to hear about anyone's loss of such magnitude.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" To: "Chris" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:56:43 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] CAREFUL OUT THERE! Holy shit... that's awful. I don't know you, but I'm so sorry for your loss. I've been spending a lot of time down in Charlotte over the past two years. Stories like these definitely raise my level of alertness. I'll be going back down there again in March and/or April. Mark At 4:05 PM -0400 10/26/11, Chris wrote: >It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and >grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them >head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month >after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. > >Chris

[Michael Martin]

Wow, Chris, words can't express how bad that has been to deal with. My condolences to you and your family. Mike Martin, Louisville, KY ________________________________ From: Chris To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] CAREFUL OUT THERE! It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote:

> > It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and > grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them > head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month > after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. > > Chris >

~~~~Keeping you and your family in my prayers Best, Jake Reddick Fla.

> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Jeffrey wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/10/26/2723320/2-on-motorcycle-dead-woman-faces.html > > > > It isn't just texters, there are crazy, mean, drunk, high, cagers out > > there! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solut]

I have long thought that killing someone while drunk driving should solicite a murder charge since the person driving made the choice knowingly to do something that could cause him to kill someone.. It is like pointing a gun at someone and having it go off accidently. You still pointed the gun at them, so you killed them. People in this country need to accept that just because they drink themselves doesnt mean drinking and driving isn't a major crime. The sooner the courts start prosecuting drunk drivers for the criminals they are the sooner we can stop hearing so many tragic stories like this one. Sorry, soap box mode = off now

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote: > > It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and > grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them > head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month > after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. > > Chris > ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************

[Jeff Khoury]

Mine drew the line at 3.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Frey" To: "mark ward" , "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:56:02 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] TROUBLE In paradise & John B. Ohhh... that sounds eerily familiar to my own situation. I'm up to 7 or 8 or 9 (depending on how you count them) bikes and I've received an almost identical speech from my wife. .....the garage floor isn't too bad if you have an air mattress. Mike On 10/26/2011 6:15 PM, mark ward wrote: > > Hey John. > > This is a "Dear JOHN" letter. > > Kay said I can not hang out or talk to you any-more, that you are a > bad influence. > > She pulled into the drive as I was unloading A new bike, Now my 3rd. > in a PACKED Garrage. > > She said if I get even close to 9, I'm Sleeping out there with > them,...........Thats a Threat?? YEE- HA I get to sleep with the bikes. > > >From now on I will be Emailing from the garrage since we have wire-less. > > 2007 KLX250 Original 17miles For SANDY trails, and camping trip with > my son. > > The guy bought it dumped it got SCARED, and parked it at 16.5 miles, > in Grand parenets Garrage, then 3 yr's ago Joined the army and went to > Iraq. (somewhere like that.) > > ME I would feel safer on the bike?? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links

[Chris]

Thanks Chris. Yes, I agree. It should be at least criminal negligence to kill someone with a car/truck. A trial and a guilty/not-guilty verdict are still important -- but it's hard not to think the defendant should not be driving during that time --- for all our safety. Chris On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.) wrote:

> ** > > > I have long thought that killing someone while drunk driving should > solicite a murder charge since the person driving made the choice > knowingly to do something that could cause him to kill someone.. It is > like pointing a gun at someone and having it go off accidently. You > still pointed the gun at them, so you killed them. > > People in this country need to accept that just because they drink > themselves doesnt mean drinking and driving isn't a major crime. The > sooner the courts start prosecuting drunk drivers for the criminals they > are the sooner we can stop hearing so many tragic stories like this one. > > Sorry, soap box mode = off now > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote: > > > > It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and > > grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit > them > > head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A > month > > after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public > roads. > > > > Chris > > > ************************************************************ > This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of > addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged > information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, > disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are > not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return > e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. > ************************************************************ > > >

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[Chris]

Thank you all for your thoughts and condolences. Yes, I'm definitely in a "life sucks" stage. It has affected my driving and riding a lot. The dumptruck hit my daughter's car so hard the car was knocked backwards 87 feet from the point of initial impact. That's an image that stays with you. It's clear too many people don't take driving seriously. I call it the "video game" mentality -- just push Reset and everything's okay. Every month more people die in road wrecks than died in the 9/11 attacks. I hope that at some point, the tide will turn against killing while driving -- like the tide turned against drinking and driving. Drinking used to be an excuse "oh, he was drunk, not his fault" but now it's clearly accepted as the drinker's fault. Regards, Chris

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Chris wrote: > It's a jungle out there. A dump truck driver killed my daughter and > grand-daughter in August, in Charlotte. He came across 2 lanes and hit them > head-on. One of the four excuses he gave was that he blacked out. A month > after that, he still had a valid CDL to drive heavy rigs on public roads. > > Chris > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Jeffrey wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> >> http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/10/26/2723320/2-on-motorcycle-dead-woman-faces.html >> >> It isn't just texters, there are crazy, mean, drunk, high, cagers out >> there! >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]