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[mark ward]

Doesn't "Scalloping" have to do with air pressure Etc.?? [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thu, February 4, 2010 9:02:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires   I have decided to stick with the TKC 80 on the back, but what's the front?  I don't know.  Right now I have a TKC 80 on the front which is terribly scalloped.  I'm thinking of going back to the stock K750 Dunlop or the Dunlop D606. Got any advice?  Front.  Think Front. Back, for me, is TKC 80.  I love it. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========

On 2/4/2010 11:21 AM, guymanbro wrote:  

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" dooden@... wrote: > > I really like the 606 front, been running the K270 rears. > > Your Opinion is the 760 Trakmaster II much better than the K270 ? > > I know the 270 tends to get flat upon wearing (makes dirt corners fun) > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape Yeah, I absolutely prefer to Trakmaster over the 270s off road. A little rougher on road, and they do wear funny but they are non directional so you can spin them to get more life out of them. It's almost paddle like in the soft stuff but not too squrrely on road. I can't remember for sure now, but I don't think the Trakmaster lasts quite as long as the K270, but I prefer the traction so I make that sacrifice. Just for clarity, I'm not a big fan of the Trakmaster on the front, only out back. da Vermonster

[Guest]

Tim, I put on the D270-17/510, pn k2706($54.95), and it was fine. It's a good affordable choice for general ops and some off road exploration. I swapped to a set of Prelli Rallycross MT21s for the Pine Barrens 300. They made the 180 mile highway trip each way and handled the insane sugar sand and woods related work in the Pine Barrens where the Kenda 270s tires would have not worked out very well. The Kendas are a good general ops choice but don't expect them to the knobbies. Front = Kenda d270-300 pn k2704($38.95) and IRC-80 tube 275/300,100/80($9.95) Rear = Kenda d270-510 pn k2706($54.95) and IRC-62 tube 400/510,110/90($10.95) Christopher D Eckert http://www.ginsucity.com/klr650-general On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:25:31 -0000 "tgornall" writes:

> What size K270 Rear should I get? I see them sized at 4.60 and 5.10. > My current is a 130/80 17. Looking at online conversion charts I > see conflicting info. What size fits best? > Thanks, Tim

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I believe the lower air pressure + a relatively flexible tread base would allow the contact surface to get distrorted under braking. That's a LOT of force on a small area. If the pressure were increased to limit flexing, the tire might be too stiff to work properly and not get the grip you need. So, I'd imagine it's a trade-off.   eddie    

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] nomad59@... [b]To: [/b]robert@... [b]Cc: [/b]DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] 2/5/2010 10:14:28 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires Doesn't "Scalloping" have to do with air pressure Etc.?? [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thu, February 4, 2010 9:02:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires   I have decided to stick with the TKC 80 on the back, but what's the front?  I don't know.  Right now I have a TKC 80 on the front which is terribly scalloped.  I'm thinking of going back to the stock K750 Dunlop or the Dunlop D606. Got any advice?  Front.  Think Front. Back, for me, is TKC 80.  I love it. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== On 2/4/2010 11:21 AM, guymanbro wrote:  

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" dooden@... wrote: > > I really like the 606 front, been running the K270 rears. > > Your Opinion is the 760 Trakmaster II much better than the K270 ? > > I know the 270 tends to get flat upon wearing (makes dirt corners fun) > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape Yeah, I absolutely prefer to Trakmaster over the 270s off road. A little rougher on road, and they do wear funny but they are non directional so you can spin them to get more life out of them. It's almost paddle like in the soft stuff but not too squrrely on road. I can't remember for sure now, but I don't think the Trakmaster lasts quite as long as the K270, but I prefer the traction so I make that sacrifice. Just for clarity, I'm not a big fan of the Trakmaster on the front, only out back. da Vermonster

[guymanbro]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote:

> > I have decided to stick with the TKC 80 on the back, but what's the > front? I don't know. Right now I have a TKC 80 on the front which is > terribly scalloped. I'm thinking of going back to the stock K750 Dunlop > or the Dunlop D606. > > Got any advice? Front. Think Front. > > Back, for me, is TKC 80. I love it. > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068

Of those two choices, I'd go with the 606 for sure. The 606 front is remarkably well behaved on the pavement and miles above the stocker in anything else. da Vermonster

[Greg May]

  Speaking from personal experience only, I ran 34 psi front and rear on the last set of Kenda 761's and replaced the front and rear at the same time with I believe 11000 kms on them, the rear because it was worn out and the front because it was badly scalloped. The set installed to replace those is an other set of 761's that were running at 36 psi front and rear with no traction issues, but I think I'll take a pound or 2 out of the back as the ride seems to have suffered a surprizing amount. I've run Dunlops, Michelins and currently Bridgestones on my street bikes and have had some degree of scalloping on all of the fronts. I believe it is mostly because I have always been hard on the front brake so while I agree that low pressure will make scalloping much worse riding style and road surface can play a large role as well......Have a great day.....Greg

--- On [b]Fri, 2/5/10, mark ward [i][/i][/b] wrote:

From: mark ward Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires To: "RobertWichert" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:13 AM   Doesn't "Scalloping" have to do with air pressure Etc.?? [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thu, February 4, 2010 9:02:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires   I have decided to stick with the TKC 80 on the back, but what's the front?  I don't know.  Right now I have a TKC 80 on the front which is terribly scalloped.  I'm thinking of going back to the stock K750 Dunlop or the Dunlop D606. Got any advice?  Front.  Think Front. Back, for me, is TKC 80.  I love it. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== On 2/4/2010 11:21 AM, guymanbro wrote:   --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > I really like the 606 front, been running the K270 rears. > > Your Opinion is the 760 Trakmaster II much better than the K270 ? > > I know the 270 tends to get flat upon wearing (makes dirt corners fun) > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape Yeah, I absolutely prefer to Trakmaster over the 270s off road. A little rougher on road, and they do wear funny but they are non directional so you can spin them to get more life out of them. It's almost paddle like in the soft stuff but not too squrrely on road. I can't remember for sure now, but I don't think the Trakmaster lasts quite as long as the K270, but I prefer the traction so I make that sacrifice. Just for clarity, I'm not a big fan of the Trakmaster on the front, only out back. da Vermonster Looking for the perfect gift?[b] Give the gift of Flickr![/b]

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-120569025 p {margin:0;}761s are supposed to be run at 32 PSI Max (cold) -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg May" To: "RobertWichert" , "mark ward" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 1:14:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires     Speaking from personal experience only, I ran 34 psi front and rear on the last set of Kenda 761's and replaced the front and rear at the same time with I believe 11000 kms on them, the rear because it was worn out and the front because it was badly scalloped. The set installed to replace those is an other set of 761's that were running at 36 psi front and rear with no traction issues, but I think I'll take a pound or 2 out of the back as the ride seems to have suffered a surprizing amount. I've run Dunlops, Michelins and currently Bridgestones on my street bikes and have had some degree of scalloping on all of the fronts. I believe it is mostly because I have always been hard on the front brake so while I agree that low pressure will make scalloping much worse riding style and road surface can play a large role as well......Have a great day.....Greg --- On [b]Fri, 2/5/10, mark ward [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: mark ward Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires To: "RobertWichert" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:13 AM   Doesn't "Scalloping" have to do with air pressure Etc.?? [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thu, February 4, 2010 9:02:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires   I have decided to stick with the TKC 80 on the back, but what's the front?  I don't know.  Right now I have a TKC 80 on the front which is terribly scalloped.  I'm thinking of going back to the stock K750 Dunlop or the Dunlop D606. Got any advice?  Front.  Think Front. Back, for me, is TKC 80.  I love it. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== On 2/4/2010 11:21 AM, guymanbro wrote: [quote]  --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > I really like the 606 front, been running the K270 rears. > > Your Opinion is the 760 Trakmaster II much better than the K270 ? > > I know the 270 tends to get flat upon wearing (makes dirt corners fun) > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape Yeah, I absolutely prefer to Trakmaster over the 270s off road. A little rougher on road, and they do wear funny but they are non directional so you can spin them to get more life out of them. It's almost paddle like in the soft stuff but not too squrrely on road. I can't remember for sure now, but I don't think the Trakmaster lasts quite as long as the K270, but I prefer the traction so I make that sacrifice. Just for clarity, I'm not a big fan of the Trakmaster on the front, only out back. da Vermonster

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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "tgornall" wrote:

> > What size K270 Rear should I get? I see them sized at 4.60 and 5.10. My current is a 130/80 17. Looking at online conversion charts I see conflicting info. What size fits best? > Thanks, Tim >

~~~Sorry I'm a little late getting in on this thread but was skimming around, saw your post and thought I'd comment about the two new Kenda 270's I installed a few weeks ago Perusing posts over on KLRWorld forum I decided to go with the 4.60" rear 270 and the 3.25" front. If I had it all over to do again, which I will when this rear wears more=:-), I'll go with the 5.10, primarily as the 4.60 is a smaller circumference than the 5.10 and I'm losing approx 500 RPM's at 5 K RPM's...which means I'm losing on fuel mileage On and off road the 4.60 rear Kenda 270 is a good tire. No problems mounting it with the stock tube but due to it being smaller than the 5.10, go with the 5.10, they're about the same price and cionsidering the gearing effect, run the larger tire Now about the 3.25 270 front, it's a rather square shaped tire. fine for off road, makes turning on pavement tougher vs. a rounded profile tire. Again, the square shoulder makes this front tire reluctant to turn on pavement. Might be off putting for some. After you get used to it, no problem. I'm not sure if I would buy this front tire again. It does beat the hell out of the scalloped front oem tire that was on there before it though=:-) Jake Reddick Fla. The heights by great men reached and kept Were not attained by sudden flight, But they, while their companions slept, Were toiling upward in the night. -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Silver Duck wrote: > > > > Plus one with Dooden... the 606 front and K 270 rear are THE way to go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dooden > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 12:33:23 AM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tires, tires, and more tires > > > > > > I really like the 606 front, been running the K270 rears. > > > > Your Opinion is the 760 Trakmaster II much better than the K270 ? > > > > I know the 270 tends to get flat upon wearing (makes dirt corners fun) > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "guymanbro" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > > > > I was hoping for a little more "good on gravel/dirt" . I don't want > > > > instantaneous wash-out off road. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the Dunlop 606 tip, though. Would you put the 606s better or > > > > worse than the K750s? > > > > > > > > > The D606s are miles above the K750s off road, and while not as smooth on road, they grip just about as well. The best set up I've found for off road worthiness while maintaining some semblance of road manners is the D606 up front and the Kenda K760 Trakmaster II on the rear. > > > > > > Mind you, I like to do some pretty hairy off road stuff including mud, sand, gravel, trees, rocks, etc. You may not need as much off-road traction as the above mentioned set up. Or for more off road traction, without the DOT rating, try a Michelin S12 up front with the Trakmaster out back. Stellar! > > > > > > The 606's front and rear provide superb off road performance, and more on road performance than you'd expect from such an agressive DOT knobby. > > > > > > da Vermonster (currently preparing to test the limits of studded tires in the Rocky Mountains) > > > > > > p.s. I like oil in my bikes. > > > > > >

[RobertWichert]

Thanks for the info! Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 2/5/2010 12:52 PM, guymanbro wrote:   --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert robert@... wrote: > > I have decided to stick with the TKC 80 on the back, but what's the > front? I don't know. Right now I have a TKC 80 on the front which is > terribly scalloped. I'm thinking of going back to the stock K750 Dunlop > or the Dunlop D606. > > Got any advice? Front. Think Front. > > Back, for me, is TKC 80. I love it. > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 Of those two choices, I'd go with the 606 for sure. The 606 front is remarkably well behaved on the pavement and miles above the stocker in anything else. da Vermonster

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sh8knj8kster" wrote:

> > > Now about the 3.25 270 front, it's a rather square shaped tire. fine for off road, makes turning on pavement tougher vs. a rounded profile tire. Again, the square shoulder makes this front tire reluctant to turn on pavement. Might be off putting for some. After you get used to it, no problem. I'm not sure if I would buy this front tire again. It does beat the hell out of the scalloped front oem tire that was on there before it though=:-) > > > > Jake

Jake, Now that is an interesting observation that give credence to one of my own observations w/ counter steering. Most (of my) earliest remembered counter-steers required a small amount of push or pull on just one handlebar (at least to my .cough. fine-tuned seat of the pants experience--from long, long ago. smile. Experience obtained--all before they made me fly big uglies and send me to foreign places. No time for m/c then, not even much time to think about them. Then, suddenly, after some years of m/c neglect (76-03) KLR's discovered me, and I went over to the dual sport side...consisting mostly K270's for the past 40K KLR miles. I have noticed that when I ride the K270 3.25, I observed that same reluctance you mentioned, cured by usually, AGGRESSIVELY and EQUALLY PUSH on one handle bar and PULL on the other. shrug. I refer that to that as brute-force-and-awkwardness principle vs finesse. Since the only other tire I had ridden other than the K270 was the stock OEM, I thought that aggressive push/pull was required for all applications....then I installed a set of D607's on a spare set of wheels. WOW. Don't push/pull with that same aggression! it will skid your shorts.... and I don't think I need to draw you a picture, or suggest you smell that rose. revmaaatin. oh but I love those 607's.

[Daniel]

Hi all, I just replaced the battery in my bike and I have a question about the diagnosis. It threw me, and the job took longer than it should have. Symptoms: - With ignition on, the lights seemed fully bright and the engine turned over strongly when I hit the starter - That said, the engine just wouldn't catch and keep on going by itself without the start button pressed. Choke position didn't matter. - With the spark plug out, connected to the lead, and grounded to the engine, it showed a spark when the engine was being started - Battery read as high as 12.3V at one point, but eventually maxed out at 11.8V and wouldn't go higher - Liquid level in the battery was in the right range Eventual solution: - New battery. Starts up just fine. If the battery was dead, why didn't the lights stay off and the engine not crank over with the start button? If the battery had enough juice in it to generate a spark and power the lights and starter, I would have expected the engine turning over to provide enough energy to charge the coil and keep it going. I don't get it and I'd like to, so I'd appreciate your help. On a related note, do I have to plug or remove the black rubber tube for the acid overflow now that I've switched to AGM? By the way, I bought the Deka ETX15L from Tri-state for $66.95 shipped: http://www.tristatebattery.com/product_info.php?products_id=977 Thanks, Daniel Daniel Pifko Greatest Road Software Greatest Road iPhone/iPod touch app for motorcyclists - find the best roads based on recommendations from other bikers Check it out at http://greatestroad.com