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[nakedwaterskier]

or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? Jeffrey

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

LiPo definitely not. The charging method and voltages are very different. 3.7 volts per cell charged. Besides, LiPo have a nasty habit of exploding or catching fire. Ask the guys who fly R/C airplanes about that. Nimh voltages are still different, and I charging is different also. May be possible. Jeff A20 In a message dated 3/26/2009 4:16:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nakedwaterskier@... writes: or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? Jeffrey **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219799606x1201361003/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153745%3B34689725%3Bo) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Donald Dickerson]

Lithium-Ion, yes, but I doubt you'd find a usable battery. LiPo's? No way. I fly R/C copters, they use LiPo's, and while they are great batteries, they do indeed have a habit of catching on fire or exploding while being charged. Not something you want between your legs! NiMH? With the right voltage pack, maybe, but I do believe some charging system mods would be in order. Stick with lead-acid, it's what the bike was designed for. Gel cels and AGM offer the best deals and can withstand a bit of abuse as well as not needing their fluid levels checked. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure." -- Helen Keller

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, jokerloco9@... wrote: From: jokerloco9@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? To: nakedwaterskier@..., DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:54 PM LiPo definitely not. The charging method and voltages are very different. 3.7 volts per cell charged. Besides, LiPo have a nasty habit of exploding or catching fire. Ask the guys who fly R/C airplanes about that. Nimh voltages are still different, and I charging is different also. May be possible. Jeff A20 In a message dated 3/26/2009 4:16:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nakedwaterskier@ yahoo.com writes: or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? Jeffrey ************ **Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x121979 9606x1201361003/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fad.doub leclick.net% 2Fclk%3B21315374 5%3B34689725% 3Bo) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "nakedwaterskier" wrote:

> or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system?

Decidedly *not* compatible with the KLR charging system, which is about as sophisticated as a stone axe. Lithium batteries need a very specialized charging circuitry (I won't bore you with the details, I know too much from experience as a design engineer with that subject), and while NiMH batteries aren't quite as specialized, their cells are a completely different voltage from lead-acid cells (1.2v vs. 2.1v) and furthermore are incapable of providing the high starting current needed by the starter in a form factor as small as the KLR's battery box. The Toyota Prius, which uses NiMH batteries, has a high-voltage alternator and a lot of cells for a multi-hundred-volt battery pack and its "starter" is a 300 volt electric motor supplied from those cells, and it produces 12 volts for the accessories using power supply like you might see inside a computer (i.e., regulates the high voltage from its battery pack down to 12 volts that your GPS can use when you plug your GPS into the accessory socket). In short: Don't even think about it . For the KLR's purposes, the good ole' lead-acid battery, preferably in its sealed AGM (Absorbed Glass Matt) form, is the best choice. High current capacity for starting (lead-acid batteries have the highest cranking amps density of any kind of battery), easy charging circuitry, what more could you want?

[Mike Frey]

+1 on all that. My experience with AGM batteries is that they put the "standard" lead acid batteries way behind in technology. After 6 months of sitting, the AGM battery is still at 100% (or close) fully charged. Probably longer, but I haven't gone longer than 6 months between rides on a bike with an AGM battery in it. Lay the bike on it's side, or even upside down, and the AGM battery does not care. Nothing will leak out of it. The 5 year old battery in my ZRX behaves as if it is brand new. The 2 year old battery in my west coast KLR is the one that sits for long periods of time. Turn key, start bike, ride. I'm a convert. AGM all the way, from now on. I know AGM batteries won't last forever, but they are lasting longer than my rechargeable camera batteries. Mike E.L. Green wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "nakedwaterskier" > wrote: > > or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? > > Decidedly *not* compatible with the KLR charging system, which is > about as sophisticated as a stone axe. Lithium batteries need a very > specialized charging circuitry (I won't bore you with the details, I > know too much from experience as a design engineer with that subject), > and while NiMH batteries aren't quite as specialized, their cells are > a completely different voltage from lead-acid cells (1.2v vs. 2.1v) > and furthermore are incapable of providing the high starting current > needed by the starter in a form factor as small as the KLR's battery > box. The Toyota Prius, which uses NiMH batteries, has a high-voltage > alternator and a lot of cells for a multi-hundred-volt battery pack > and its "starter" is a 300 volt electric motor supplied from those > cells, and it produces 12 volts for the accessories using power supply > like you might see inside a computer (i.e., regulates the high voltage > from its battery pack down to 12 volts that your GPS can use when you > plug your GPS into the accessory socket). > > In short: Don't even think about it . For the KLR's purposes, the > good ole' lead-acid battery, preferably in its sealed AGM (Absorbed > Glass Matt) form, is the best choice. High current capacity for > starting (lead-acid batteries have the highest cranking amps density > of any kind of battery), easy charging circuitry, what more could you > want? > >

[Rick McCauley]

My 2003 KLR eats battery fluid, and has from day one. I have to add distilled water two to three times in one riding season. Will the same happen if I start using the AGM battery? If so what do I add? Rick A17

--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mike Frey wrote: From: Mike Frey Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:19 AM +1 on all that. My experience with AGM batteries is that they put the "standard" lead acid batteries way behind in technology. After 6 months of sitting, the AGM battery is still at 100% (or close) fully charged. Probably longer, but I haven't gone longer than 6 months between rides on a bike with an AGM battery in it. Lay the bike on it's side, or even upside down, and the AGM battery does not care. Nothing will leak out of it. The 5 year old battery in my ZRX behaves as if it is brand new. The 2 year old battery in my west coast KLR is the one that sits for long periods of time. Turn key, start bike, ride. I'm a convert. AGM all the way, from now on. I know AGM batteries won't last forever, but they are lasting longer than my rechargeable camera batteries. Mike E.L. Green wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > , "nakedwaterskier" > wrote: > > or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? > > Decidedly *not* compatible with the KLR charging system, which is > about as sophisticated as a stone axe. Lithium batteries need a very > specialized charging circuitry (I won't bore you with the details, I > know too much from experience as a design engineer with that subject), > and while NiMH batteries aren't quite as specialized, their cells are > a completely different voltage from lead-acid cells (1.2v vs. 2.1v) > and furthermore are incapable of providing the high starting current > needed by the starter in a form factor as small as the KLR's battery > box. The Toyota Prius, which uses NiMH batteries, has a high-voltage > alternator and a lot of cells for a multi-hundred- volt battery pack > and its "starter" is a 300 volt electric motor supplied from those > cells, and it produces 12 volts for the accessories using power supply > like you might see inside a computer (i.e., regulates the high voltage > from its battery pack down to 12 volts that your GPS can use when you > plug your GPS into the accessory socket). > > In short: Don't even think about it . For the KLR's purposes, the > good ole' lead-acid battery, preferably in its sealed AGM (Absorbed > Glass Matt) form, is the best choice. High current capacity for > starting (lead-acid batteries have the highest cranking amps density > of any kind of battery), easy charging circuitry, what more could you > want? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

Great. That will make life easier. Thanks John Rick A17

--- On Fri, 3/27/09, John Biccum wrote: From: John Biccum Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? To: ramachm12@... Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:38 AM No it is sealed, Just add miles J. Shop around and you can get the PC545 Odyssey (NOT the more expensive PC545MJ) for about $80. The MJ= metal jacket, needed for heat deflection on big twin Harleys and NOT needed on the KLR. From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick McCauley Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 09:27 To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? My 2003 KLR eats battery fluid, and has from day one. I have to add distilled water two to three times in one riding season. Will the same happen if I start using the AGM battery? If so what do I add? Rick A17 --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mike Frey wrote: From: Mike Frey Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:19 AM +1 on all that. My experience with AGM batteries is that they put the "standard" lead acid batteries way behind in technology. After 6 months of sitting, the AGM battery is still at 100% (or close) fully charged. Probably longer, but I haven't gone longer than 6 months between rides on a bike with an AGM battery in it. Lay the bike on it's side, or even upside down, and the AGM battery does not care. Nothing will leak out of it. The 5 year old battery in my ZRX behaves as if it is brand new. The 2 year old battery in my west coast KLR is the one that sits for long periods of time. Turn key, start bike, ride. I'm a convert. AGM all the way, from now on. I know AGM batteries won't last forever, but they are lasting longer than my rechargeable camera batteries. Mike E.L. Green wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > , "nakedwaterskier" > wrote: > > or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? > > Decidedly *not* compatible with the KLR charging system, which is > about as sophisticated as a stone axe. Lithium batteries need a very > specialized charging circuitry (I won't bore you with the details, I > know too much from experience as a design engineer with that subject), > and while NiMH batteries aren't quite as specialized, their cells are > a completely different voltage from lead-acid cells (1.2v vs. 2.1v) > and furthermore are incapable of providing the high starting current > needed by the starter in a form factor as small as the KLR's battery > box. The Toyota Prius, which uses NiMH batteries, has a high-voltage > alternator and a lot of cells for a multi-hundred- volt battery pack > and its "starter" is a 300 volt electric motor supplied from those > cells, and it produces 12 volts for the accessories using power supply > like you might see inside a computer (i.e., regulates the high voltage > from its battery pack down to 12 volts that your GPS can use when you > plug your GPS into the accessory socket). > > In short: Don't even think about it . For the KLR's purposes, the > good ole' lead-acid battery, preferably in its sealed AGM (Absorbed > Glass Matt) form, is the best choice. High current capacity for > starting (lead-acid batteries have the highest cranking amps density > of any kind of battery), easy charging circuitry, what more could you > want? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

Just looked the PC545 up on internet. Says it is 16A. Won't that be to big? Rick A17

--- On Fri, 3/27/09, John Biccum wrote: From: John Biccum Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? To: ramachm12@... Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:38 AM No it is sealed, Just add miles J. Shop around and you can get the PC545 Odyssey (NOT the more expensive PC545MJ) for about $80. The MJ= metal jacket, needed for heat deflection on big twin Harleys and NOT needed on the KLR. From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick McCauley Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 09:27 To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? My 2003 KLR eats battery fluid, and has from day one. I have to add distilled water two to three times in one riding season. Will the same happen if I start using the AGM battery? If so what do I add? Rick A17 --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mike Frey wrote: From: Mike Frey Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:19 AM +1 on all that. My experience with AGM batteries is that they put the "standard" lead acid batteries way behind in technology. After 6 months of sitting, the AGM battery is still at 100% (or close) fully charged. Probably longer, but I haven't gone longer than 6 months between rides on a bike with an AGM battery in it. Lay the bike on it's side, or even upside down, and the AGM battery does not care. Nothing will leak out of it. The 5 year old battery in my ZRX behaves as if it is brand new. The 2 year old battery in my west coast KLR is the one that sits for long periods of time. Turn key, start bike, ride. I'm a convert. AGM all the way, from now on. I know AGM batteries won't last forever, but they are lasting longer than my rechargeable camera batteries. Mike E.L. Green wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > , "nakedwaterskier" > wrote: > > or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? > > Decidedly *not* compatible with the KLR charging system, which is > about as sophisticated as a stone axe. Lithium batteries need a very > specialized charging circuitry (I won't bore you with the details, I > know too much from experience as a design engineer with that subject), > and while NiMH batteries aren't quite as specialized, their cells are > a completely different voltage from lead-acid cells (1.2v vs. 2.1v) > and furthermore are incapable of providing the high starting current > needed by the starter in a form factor as small as the KLR's battery > box. The Toyota Prius, which uses NiMH batteries, has a high-voltage > alternator and a lot of cells for a multi-hundred- volt battery pack > and its "starter" is a 300 volt electric motor supplied from those > cells, and it produces 12 volts for the accessories using power supply > like you might see inside a computer (i.e., regulates the high voltage > from its battery pack down to 12 volts that your GPS can use when you > plug your GPS into the accessory socket). > > In short: Don't even think about it . For the KLR's purposes, the > good ole' lead-acid battery, preferably in its sealed AGM (Absorbed > Glass Matt) form, is the best choice. High current capacity for > starting (lead-acid batteries have the highest cranking amps density > of any kind of battery), easy charging circuitry, what more could you > want? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote:

> My 2003 KLR eats battery fluid, and has from day one. I have to add distilled water two to three times in one riding season. Will the same happen if I start using the AGM battery? If so what do I add?

AGM batteries are completely sealed and will not "boil out" the way wet batteries do. They have oxygen recombiners at their terminals to re-combine the hydrogen and oxygen "cracked" out of the battery fluid via overvoltage back into water. Nothing ever needs to be added. My last AGM battery lasted five years before it started having trouble reliably cranking the bike, and if you know KLR's, that's a long life for a KLR battery (which gets beat upon badly via vibration, heat, and neglect). I replaced it with another AGM battery and all is well.

[dooden]

Nothing.. Its sealed. Install and ride. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > My 2003 KLR eats battery fluid, and has from day one. I have to add distilled water two to three times in one riding season. Will the same happen if I start using the AGM battery? If so what do I add? > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Mike Frey wrote: > > From: Mike Frey > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Lipo or Nimh batteries be used in motorcycles? > To: "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 11:19 AM > > > > > > > +1 on all that. > > My experience with AGM batteries is that they put the > "standard" lead acid batteries way behind in technology. > > After 6 months of sitting, the AGM battery is still at 100% (or close) > fully charged. Probably longer, but I haven't gone longer than 6 months > between rides on a bike with an AGM battery in it. > > Lay the bike on it's side, or even upside down, and the AGM battery > does not care. Nothing will leak out of it. > > The 5 year old battery in my ZRX behaves as if it is brand new. > The 2 year old battery in my west coast KLR is the one that sits for > long periods of time. Turn key, start bike, ride. > > I'm a convert. AGM all the way, from now on. I know AGM batteries > won't last forever, but they are lasting longer than my rechargeable > camera batteries. > > Mike > > E.L. Green wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > , "nakedwaterskier" > > wrote: > > > or they wouldn't be compatible with the KLR charging system? > > > > Decidedly *not* compatible with the KLR charging system, which is > > about as sophisticated as a stone axe. Lithium batteries need a very > > specialized charging circuitry (I won't bore you with the details, I > > know too much from experience as a design engineer with that subject), > > and while NiMH batteries aren't quite as specialized, their cells are > > a completely different voltage from lead-acid cells (1.2v vs. 2.1v) > > and furthermore are incapable of providing the high starting current > > needed by the starter in a form factor as small as the KLR's battery > > box. The Toyota Prius, which uses NiMH batteries, has a high-voltage > > alternator and a lot of cells for a multi-hundred- volt battery pack > > and its "starter" is a 300 volt electric motor supplied from those > > cells, and it produces 12 volts for the accessories using power supply > > like you might see inside a computer (i.e., regulates the high voltage > > from its battery pack down to 12 volts that your GPS can use when you > > plug your GPS into the accessory socket). > > > > In short: Don't even think about it . For the KLR's purposes, the > > good ole' lead-acid battery, preferably in its sealed AGM (Absorbed > > Glass Matt) form, is the best choice. High current capacity for > > starting (lead-acid batteries have the highest cranking amps density > > of any kind of battery), easy charging circuitry, what more could you > > want? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >