oxtar matrix vs tcx matrix 2 boot comparison nklr

[John Biccum]

My 50K mile Oxtar Matrix boots were getting a bit worn so I picked up a replacement for them, a set of TCX Matrix 2 boots. These latter boots are also sometimes called TCX X-Five boots. Supposedly these TCX boots are essentially the same boots as the Oxtar Matrix, with a different name. But I found substantial differences between the older Oxtars and the later TCX boots. Side by side comparison with pictures can be found here: http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/6753730_Y8DB6#431347857_DX4mx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[LDHunter]

KLRistas, Well... Thanks to all for the excellent responses. I've learned a lot and have gathered some food for thought. I ended up with several different boots but only bought two new pairs. Here's the story. In frustration I had been emailing and calling the motocross boot manufacturers and asking if they made wide boots or knew of someone who did. No luck! I was starting to think that my paddle feet would never see the inside of some very protective motocross boots and then.... A buddy of mine, who is also my motorcycle mechanic called me on an unrelated issue and I started asking him who made a good motocross boot. He races motocross but always got his stuff or at huge discounts and I doubted he'd know. He said that I should call Alpinestars because they'd figure out a way to make me happy or custom make me a pair and that they were very easy to talk to and very friendly. With my hat in my hand I dialed the number and talked to what sounded like a very pleasant and pretty young woman on the phone and when I told her my problem she asked me to hold and I did... and I held... and I held... and I held some more. Then a young man that sounded like he knew what he was about picked up and asked if he could help me. I explained my dilemma in detail and he waited patiently. Then he informed me that Alpinestars didn't make motocross boots in "widths" but started asking me what I wanted the boots for and he asked a lot of good questions. When I was done he said that he might have an answer for me. He told me that the Tech 3 All Terrain boot has all the protection that I would likely ever need for my application and that it had a hiking boot type sole on it that might be good for my application. He said that it was well priced and had leather in the right places that would easily stretch (in time) to accommodate my wide foot. He asked my exact size and when I said 10.5 EEEE he suggested that a size 11 might be just right. http://www.alpinestars.com/Tech_3_All_Terrain_Boot/pd/np/112/p/201317.html He also recommended the Tech 7 but said that it wasn't available with the "All Terrain" sole and would probably be "overkill" for my application and it's a hundred bucks more than the Tech 3. http://www.alpinestars.com/Tech_7_Boot_/pd/np/112/p/201207.html I thanked him for his time and excellent advice and wished him a great Christmas and then called www.newenough.com http://www.newenough.com/> and ordered a black pair of Tech 3 Size 11 Motocross All Terrain boots and while I was at it I couldn't help but grab some Teknic Sturgis "short work style motorcycle boots" (on clearance for $35.00 and only available in size 11) for that quick and dirty short ride that might make me reluctant to strap on the BIG HONKIN' MOTOCROSS BOOTS. OH... I also went to my hunting boot stash and came up with a nice pair of 16" tall waterproof Gore Tex and leather, snake boots for really wet days where I'll be playing in mud puddles and crossing creeks and I found a pair of Carolina Boot Company GEN-YEW-WINE very tall, extra heavy duty logger boots with steel shanks and heavily reinforced toes and deep lug soles for rides in really tough terrain and for when I want to impress the locals. Yes I was a logger in Colorado in a previous life. I suggest that if you have read all this from beginning to end then you are anal retentive like I am about gear or you have WAAAY to much time on your hands. If I remember to and have time I'll write another, probably even more boring and even longer, review when the boots get here and I've had them out for a ride or two. Anyway... Happy Holidays. $bob$ (who is happily dreaming of his new, cooler than cool, motocross boots that look waaaay rad!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Bell]

Those look really great. What is the difference between all terrain boots and motocross boots? db ________________________________ From: LDHunter To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 3:09:21 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Dual Sport Boots... What I bought.. KLRistas, Well... Thanks to all for the excellent responses. I've learned a lot and have gathered some food for thought. I ended up with several different boots but only bought two new pairs. Here's the story. In frustration I had been emailing and calling the motocross boot manufacturers and asking if they made wide boots or knew of someone who did. No luck! I was starting to think that my paddle feet would never see the inside of some very protective motocross boots and then.... A buddy of mine, who is also my motorcycle mechanic called me on an unrelated issue and I started asking him who made a good motocross boot. He races motocross but always got his stuff or at huge discounts and I doubted he'd know. He said that I should call Alpinestars because they'd figure out a way to make me happy or custom make me a pair and that they were very easy to talk to and very friendly. With my hat in my hand I dialed the number and talked to what sounded like a very pleasant and pretty young woman on the phone and when I told her my problem she asked me to hold and I did... and I held... and I held... and I held some more. Then a young man that sounded like he knew what he was about picked up and asked if he could help me. I explained my dilemma in detail and he waited patiently. Then he informed me that Alpinestars didn't make motocross boots in "widths" but started asking me what I wanted the boots for and he asked a lot of good questions. When I was done he said that he might have an answer for me. He told me that the Tech 3 All Terrain boot has all the protection that I would likely ever need for my application and that it had a hiking boot type sole on it that might be good for my application. He said that it was well priced and had leather in the right places that would easily stretch (in time) to accommodate my wide foot. He asked my exact size and when I said 10.5 EEEE he suggested that a size 11 might be just right. http://www.alpinest ars.com/Tech_ 3_All_Terrain_ Boot/pd/np/ 112/p/201317. html He also recommended the Tech 7 but said that it wasn't available with the "All Terrain" sole and would probably be "overkill" for my application and it's a hundred bucks more than the Tech 3. http://www.alpinest ars.com/Tech_ 7_Boot_/pd/ np/112/p/ 201207.html I thanked him for his time and excellent advice and wished him a great Christmas and then called www.newenough. com http://www.newenoug h.com/> and ordered a black pair of Tech 3 Size 11 Motocross All Terrain boots and while I was at it I couldn't help but grab some Teknic Sturgis "short work style motorcycle boots" (on clearance for $35.00 and only available in size 11) for that quick and dirty short ride that might make me reluctant to strap on the BIG HONKIN' MOTOCROSS BOOTS. OH... I also went to my hunting boot stash and came up with a nice pair of 16" tall waterproof Gore Tex and leather, snake boots for really wet days where I'll be playing in mud puddles and crossing creeks and I found a pair of Carolina Boot Company GEN-YEW-WINE very tall, extra heavy duty logger boots with steel shanks and heavily reinforced toes and deep lug soles for rides in really tough terrain and for when I want to impress the locals. Yes I was a logger in Colorado in a previous life. I suggest that if you have read all this from beginning to end then you are anal retentive like I am about gear or you have WAAAY to much time on your hands. If I remember to and have time I'll write another, probably even more boring and even longer, review when the boots get here and I've had them out for a ride or two. Anyway... Happy Holidays. $bob$ (who is happily dreaming of his new, cooler than cool, motocross boots that look waaaay rad!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]