stalling problem.

[Greg May]

Used to have the same experiences on my KDX200, lots of guys would say why did you buy such a small displacement bike, then they would bring their larger displacement motocrossers out with me in the woods to find themselves seeing a lot of the back of a KDX200 as they tried to control all the extra power that was meant for a track, then to add insult to injury quite often on a real long straight fireroad they would find the little KDX was as fast or faster top end. Of course turn around is fair play as I can remember getting passed, more then once by a buddy on an XR200 in the really mucky going as all he had to do was hold the throttle wide open, they never did make enough power to spit you off.....Greg

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR riding areas was: Re: big gun exhaust for klr To: "revmaaatin" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Received: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 3:36 PM Gutless 250 is kind of amusing rev, when I remember all the 250's and 360's I used to pass on the trail with my 100 cc Hodaka. Or the time I was showing new riders around our old riding area. One was on a KX 250 and one was on a KX 500. Both were ...... spirited 2 strokes to say the least. I had to stop and keep waiting for them to catch up on my old IT Yamaha 175. They let me ride their brand new bikes. Sure did like that 500 KX. Yee hah! Horse power is not everything on a tight trail but it sure is fun to have.l Criswell On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:58 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "roncriswell@ " > wrote: > > > Anyone have the Kawasaki KLX street legal 250? I have been eying > > > those for quite a while. The Cycle World bike show was in Dallas > > > yesterday. I got in debt a number of times (in my dreams) > yesterday. > > > > I've been watching the threads on advrider about the KLX 250. The > folks who have them > > seem to like them, except they complain it's pretty gutless. Big- > bore kits to turn it into a > > KLX 300 and uncork it seem to be a popular item there. > > Hello Eric- > > It always amuses me when 'reports' of a gutless bike, like a 250. > Gutless compared to what? > Its a 250, not a 400, not a 650, or 900, or 950. A plain two fifty. > > I suppose they complained that it weighed 150#s less then a 650 as > well! Most likely the owner/rider does not understand the bikes own > power curve, etc. > > I 'herd' a pack of little bikes through an ORV park, and the kids > look at the places we wanted to ride with skepticism-- until I get off > the KLX300, and put my nearly 200# ATGATT on a XR100R or XR70 and > ride the trail or climb the hill on their bike. Makes them a > believer. Not necessarily a hill-climber, but they know the bike is > at least capable. > > A gutless 250--there is no such thing--only riders who > are 'incapable' of riding a bike at ITS potential, not at the > expectation of something it is not. > > IF they want 'more' guts, buy more HP. Their complaining is an > indication of their bad judgement, not the bikes lack of heart or > guts. > > > Oh, Rev - regarding Texans shooting at people -- the problem is > that a) it's your word > > against the rancher's and if he didn't hit you, you have no > evidence that he shot at you, > > and b) even if he did hit you, heck, even if he *killed* you, you'd > be tried by a jury of his > > neighbors and they'd probably decide you needed killin' and not do > anything to him. There > > was one old gent who shot a couple of Mexicans in the back as they > walked down a public > > road after they'd stopped at his house and asked for a drink of > water and his only > > response was "Honey, get the gun" at which point the Mexicans of > course left and started > > walking down the public road again until the old gent chased them > down in his pickup > > truck and shot them in the back, the jury of this fellow's > neighbors deliberated a while and > > decided that the old gent had to be punished for this heinous crime > of shooting a couple > > of Mexicans in the back so they issued him a $5,000 fine. That's > Texas. That's why when I > > lived in Texas, I decided I wasn't going to take up kayaking after > all . > > > > -E > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

Yeah obviously when you are talking drag racing or flat out Baja type stuff, high rpm horse power rules, but tight turns, steep uphills, give me a light torquey machine any day. I used to be a big believer in the snappy two strokes but with the success of modern 4 bangers who seem to have both bottom end power and top end, Yehaw. The new WR based Yamaha dual sport 250 sure had my interest but at about $6500 .... that is a lot for a 250. Maybe they shoulda based it on the WR 450 and also the KLX 250 shoulda been on the 450. But 6 or 7 grand on a all around dirt bike ..... well I may be getting old. Time to go get me a cruiser and air brush it I guess. Criswell

On Nov 16, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Greg May wrote: > Used to have the same experiences on my KDX200, lots of guys > would say why did you buy such a small displacement bike, then they > would bring their larger displacement motocrossers out with me in > the woods to find themselves seeing a lot of the back of a KDX200 > as they tried to control all the extra power that was meant for a > track, then to add insult to injury quite often on a real long > straight fireroad they would find the little KDX was as fast or > faster top end. Of course turn around is fair play as I can > remember getting passed, more then once by a buddy on an XR200 in > the really mucky going as all he had to do was hold the throttle > wide open, they never did make enough power to spit you off.....Greg > > --- On Sun, 11/16/08, roncriswell@... > wrote: > > From: roncriswell@... > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR riding areas was: Re: big gun > exhaust for klr > To: "revmaaatin" > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Received: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 3:36 PM > > Gutless 250 is kind of amusing rev, when I remember all the 250's and > 360's I used to pass on the trail with my 100 cc Hodaka. Or the time > I was showing new riders around our old riding area. One was on a KX > 250 and one was on a KX 500. Both were ...... spirited 2 strokes to > say the least. I had to stop and keep waiting for them to catch up on > my old IT Yamaha 175. They let me ride their brand new bikes. Sure > did like that 500 KX. Yee hah! Horse power is not everything on a > tight trail but it sure is fun to have.l > > Criswell > On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:58 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "roncriswell@ " > > > wrote: > > > > Anyone have the Kawasaki KLX street legal 250? I have been eying > > > > those for quite a while. The Cycle World bike show was in Dallas > > > > yesterday. I got in debt a number of times (in my dreams) > > yesterday. > > > > > > I've been watching the threads on advrider about the KLX 250. The > > folks who have them > > > seem to like them, except they complain it's pretty gutless. Big- > > bore kits to turn it into a > > > KLX 300 and uncork it seem to be a popular item there. > > > > Hello Eric- > > > > It always amuses me when 'reports' of a gutless bike, like a 250. > > Gutless compared to what? > > Its a 250, not a 400, not a 650, or 900, or 950. A plain two fifty. > > > > I suppose they complained that it weighed 150#s less then a 650 as > > well! Most likely the owner/rider does not understand the bikes own > > power curve, etc. > > > > I 'herd' a pack of little bikes through an ORV park, and the kids > > look at the places we wanted to ride with skepticism-- until I > get off > > the KLX300, and put my nearly 200# ATGATT on a XR100R or XR70 and > > ride the trail or climb the hill on their bike. Makes them a > > believer. Not necessarily a hill-climber, but they know the bike is > > at least capable. > > > > A gutless 250--there is no such thing--only riders who > > are 'incapable' of riding a bike at ITS potential, not at the > > expectation of something it is not. > > > > IF they want 'more' guts, buy more HP. Their complaining is an > > indication of their bad judgement, not the bikes lack of heart or > > guts. > > > > > Oh, Rev - regarding Texans shooting at people -- the problem is > > that a) it's your word > > > against the rancher's and if he didn't hit you, you have no > > evidence that he shot at you, > > > and b) even if he did hit you, heck, even if he *killed* you, > you'd > > be tried by a jury of his > > > neighbors and they'd probably decide you needed killin' and not do > > anything to him. There > > > was one old gent who shot a couple of Mexicans in the back as they > > walked down a public > > > road after they'd stopped at his house and asked for a drink of > > water and his only > > > response was "Honey, get the gun" at which point the Mexicans of > > course left and started > > > walking down the public road again until the old gent chased them > > down in his pickup > > > truck and shot them in the back, the jury of this fellow's > > neighbors deliberated a while and > > > decided that the old gent had to be punished for this heinous > crime > > of shooting a couple > > > of Mexicans in the back so they issued him a $5,000 fine. That's > > Texas. That's why when I > > > lived in Texas, I decided I wasn't going to take up kayaking after > > all . > > > > > > -E > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________________ > Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new > Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

Rev, Good point on the 'gutless' assessment. "Compared to what?" is the question that's rarely answered in statements like that. I've put a few hundred miles on the Yamaha XT250 (a punched out XT225), the Honda CRF230L and the KLX250S back-to-back; the Kawi was head and shoulders above the others in both power and handling. Haven't ridden the FI Yamaha, but it's $1000 more than the KLX, so it better be a rocket. For a street legal 250, the KLX is a nice little package. Several of my friends rode the same trio of bikes and the general feeling was that the KLX was the only one that felt like a real motorcycle. One guy did find it gutless, but he'd just stepped off his HP2 so at least we know what he was comparing it to. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@" > wrote: > > > Anyone have the Kawasaki KLX street legal 250? I have been eying > > > those for quite a while. The Cycle World bike show was in Dallas > > > yesterday. I got in debt a number of times (in my dreams) > yesterday. > > > > I've been watching the threads on advrider about the KLX 250. The > folks who have them > > seem to like them, except they complain it's pretty gutless. Big- > bore kits to turn it into a > > KLX 300 and uncork it seem to be a popular item there. > > > Hello Eric- > > It always amuses me when 'reports' of a gutless bike, like a 250. > Gutless compared to what? > Its a 250, not a 400, not a 650, or 900, or 950. A plain two fifty. > > I suppose they complained that it weighed 150#s less then a 650 as > well! Most likely the owner/rider does not understand the bikes own > power curve, etc. > > I 'herd' a pack of little bikes through an ORV park, and the kids > look at the places we wanted to ride with skepticism--until I get off > the KLX300, and put my nearly 200# ATGATT on a XR100R or XR70 and > ride the trail or climb the hill on their bike. Makes them a > believer. Not necessarily a hill-climber, but they know the bike is > at least capable. > > A gutless 250--there is no such thing--only riders who > are 'incapable' of riding a bike at ITS potential, not at the > expectation of something it is not. > > IF they want 'more' guts, buy more HP. Their complaining is an > indication of their bad judgement, not the bikes lack of heart or > guts. > > > > > > > > Oh, Rev - regarding Texans shooting at people -- the problem is > that a) it's your word > > against the rancher's and if he didn't hit you, you have no > evidence that he shot at you, > > and b) even if he did hit you, heck, even if he *killed* you, you'd > be tried by a jury of his > > neighbors and they'd probably decide you needed killin' and not do > anything to him. There > > was one old gent who shot a couple of Mexicans in the back as they > walked down a public > > road after they'd stopped at his house and asked for a drink of > water and his only > > response was "Honey, get the gun" at which point the Mexicans of > course left and started > > walking down the public road again until the old gent chased them > down in his pickup > > truck and shot them in the back, the jury of this fellow's > neighbors deliberated a while and > > decided that the old gent had to be punished for this heinous crime > of shooting a couple > > of Mexicans in the back so they issued him a $5,000 fine. That's > Texas. That's why when I > > lived in Texas, I decided I wasn't going to take up kayaking after > all . > > > > -E > > >

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I have a friend that had one and said it was a great bike for the money. He is no light weight MC guy. He also rides a Ducati (forget which one), has a Paris Dakar Beemer, a Kawasaki Ninga 250 for his wife (another great cheap bike) and makes his living building and repairing bikes and has for many years. He normally like twins preferably German or Italian. He also had a Kawsaski Super Sherpa 250 and said he couldn't figure out why they no longer sell that bike. Reliability, torque, light weight, suspension mean more to me. The WR based street legal Yamaha 250 is certainly the one to have in the 200 - 250 range ... but last time I checked, they were about $6500. $1000 more or so gets you the XR450F like Fred rides. If you are rich like Fred, that's the setup. Criswell

On Nov 17, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Arden Kysely wrote: > Rev, > > Good point on the 'gutless' assessment. "Compared to what?" is the > question that's rarely answered in statements like that. I've put a > few hundred miles on the Yamaha XT250 (a punched out XT225), the > Honda CRF230L and the KLX250S back-to-back; the Kawi was head and > shoulders above the others in both power and handling. Haven't ridden > the FI Yamaha, but it's $1000 more than the KLX, so it better be a > rocket. For a street legal 250, the KLX is a nice little package. > Several of my friends rode the same trio of bikes and the general > feeling was that the KLX was the only one that felt like a real > motorcycle. One guy did find it gutless, but he'd just stepped off > his HP2 so at least we know what he was comparing it to. > > __Arden > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@" > > wrote: > > > > Anyone have the Kawasaki KLX street legal 250? I have been > eying > > > > those for quite a while. The Cycle World bike show was in > Dallas > > > > yesterday. I got in debt a number of times (in my dreams) > > yesterday. > > > > > > I've been watching the threads on advrider about the KLX 250. The > > folks who have them > > > seem to like them, except they complain it's pretty gutless. Big- > > bore kits to turn it into a > > > KLX 300 and uncork it seem to be a popular item there. > > > > > > Hello Eric- > > > > It always amuses me when 'reports' of a gutless bike, like a 250. > > Gutless compared to what? > > Its a 250, not a 400, not a 650, or 900, or 950. A plain two > fifty. > > > > I suppose they complained that it weighed 150#s less then a 650 as > > well! Most likely the owner/rider does not understand the bikes > own > > power curve, etc. > > > > I 'herd' a pack of little bikes through an ORV park, and the kids > > look at the places we wanted to ride with skepticism--until I get > off > > the KLX300, and put my nearly 200# ATGATT on a XR100R or XR70 and > > ride the trail or climb the hill on their bike. Makes them a > > believer. Not necessarily a hill-climber, but they know the bike > is > > at least capable. > > > > A gutless 250--there is no such thing--only riders who > > are 'incapable' of riding a bike at ITS potential, not at the > > expectation of something it is not. > > > > IF they want 'more' guts, buy more HP. Their complaining is an > > indication of their bad judgement, not the bikes lack of heart or > > guts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, Rev - regarding Texans shooting at people -- the problem is > > that a) it's your word > > > against the rancher's and if he didn't hit you, you have no > > evidence that he shot at you, > > > and b) even if he did hit you, heck, even if he *killed* you, > you'd > > be tried by a jury of his > > > neighbors and they'd probably decide you needed killin' and not > do > > anything to him. There > > > was one old gent who shot a couple of Mexicans in the back as > they > > walked down a public > > > road after they'd stopped at his house and asked for a drink of > > water and his only > > > response was "Honey, get the gun" at which point the Mexicans of > > course left and started > > > walking down the public road again until the old gent chased them > > down in his pickup > > > truck and shot them in the back, the jury of this fellow's > > neighbors deliberated a while and > > > decided that the old gent had to be punished for this heinous > crime > > of shooting a couple > > > of Mexicans in the back so they issued him a $5,000 fine. That's > > Texas. That's why when I > > > lived in Texas, I decided I wasn't going to take up kayaking > after > > all . > > > > > > -E > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bogdan Swider]

On 11/17/08 8:12 AM, "Arden Kysely" wrote:

> > > > Rev, > > Good point on the 'gutless' assessment. "Compared to what?" is the

question that's rarely answered in statements like that. Remember the old Borsht Belt comedian, Henny Youngman ? When some on would ask him..... How s your wife ? He d answer... Compared to what ? Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Frey]

I have spent time in the saddle of the KLX-250 and Yamaha XT-225 but not the Honda or the Yamaha WR. I also have a Super Sherpa, so I have something to compare as the "benchmark". The KLX is clearly superior all around, especially off road. I'd have that one instead, but my wife rides the Sherpa and she does not want a 37" seat height. The Yamaha WR is likely the fastest of the bikes in this discussion and is also very likely good off road as well. The Super Sherpa is no slouch, it will almost keep up to the KLR-650 in a drag race, and in stock form, both the Sherpa and KLX are about the same, power wise. ...Until you install a 300cc kit in the KLX. At that point, it can outrun a KLR on the road up to about 55 mph, off road it will eat the KLR for lunch. Mike Arden Kysely wrote:

> > Rev, > > Good point on the 'gutless' assessment. "Compared to what?" is the > question that's rarely answered in statements like that. I've put a > few hundred miles on the Yamaha XT250 (a punched out XT225), the > Honda CRF230L and the KLX250S back-to-back; the Kawi was head and > shoulders above the others in both power and handling. Haven't ridden > the FI Yamaha, but it's $1000 more than the KLX, so it better be a > rocket. For a street legal 250, the KLX is a nice little package. > Several of my friends rode the same trio of bikes and the general > feeling was that the KLX was the only one that felt like a real > motorcycle. One guy did find it gutless, but he'd just stepped off > his HP2 so at least we know what he was comparing it to. > > __Arden > >

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> > > > > On 11/17/08 8:12 AM, "Arden Kysely" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rev, > > > > Good point on the 'gutless' assessment. "Compared to what?" is the > question that's rarely answered in statements like that. > > Remember the old Borsht Belt comedian, Henny Youngman ? When some on would > ask him..... How s your wife ? He d answer... Compared to what ? >

And what if Henny Youngman were Mormon instead of Jewish? "Who were those ladies I saw you with last night?....."

[kl650a@verizon.net]

If it is idling below 1200 RPM when it is stalling then yes it could help to raise the idle to between 1200 and 1300 RPM which is where it should be when it is fully warmed up. Should the idle raise well above 1300 RPM after adjustment and at normal operating temperature then lower it back. You may need to leave the enricher partially open a little longer until it warms up more. If that doesn't work follow what Jeff said. Walt

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Tom Zangla wrote: > Since the cold and snow arrived here in SW Pennsylvania the A19 is acting up. It starts fine with the choke on. It runs fine with the choke off for about 1 mile as long as I am giving it some throttle. It is when I stop and let the throttle go back it stalls out. Do you think just adjusting the idle screw will take care of it? Tom SW Pennsylvania [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]