2 baja police agents among those slain

[hansenj32]

About a year ago I installed the subject kit with a fresh set of the green Galpher pads and followed the break-in procedure as well as I could. Initially, I was very underwhelmed at the braking power - virtually no improvement over stock & maybe a little less. But I perservered assuming things would improve w/ miles and they did. Lots of stopping power now if you need it. But, as you are coming to stop the last few feet w/ light lever force, there's a very annoying pulse of sorts. You don't feel it in the lever, but it acts like you're squeezing the lever on and off which makes for jerky stops. I examined both sides of the rotor and can see nothing out of the ordinary, the entire surface looks the same. I've cleaned the rotor w/ denatured alcohol and really didn't get anything on the cloth nor did it improve thingd. I've not put a dial indicator on it, but I would think lateral run-out would be leaving some marks on the surface. Is the rotor supposed to float? Mine doesn't budge when I push on it. Any siggestions would be appreciated. Jake

[RM]

If you look at the rotor's braking surface, is there an area where you can see an outline of the brake pad "stamped" into the rotor (and it won't clean off)? RM On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:01:05 -0000, "hansenj32" said:

> About a year ago I installed the subject kit with a fresh set of the > green Galpher pads and followed the break-in procedure as well as I > could. Initially, I was very underwhelmed at the braking power - > virtually no improvement over stock & maybe a little less. But I > perservered assuming things would improve w/ miles and they did. Lots > of stopping power now if you need it. But, as you are coming to stop > the last few feet w/ light lever force, there's a very annoying pulse > of sorts. You don't feel it in the lever, but it acts like you're > squeezing the lever on and off which makes for jerky stops. I examined > both sides of the rotor and can see nothing out of the ordinary, the > entire surface looks the same. I've cleaned the rotor w/ denatured > alcohol and really didn't get anything on the cloth nor did it improve > thingd. I've not put a dial indicator on it, but I would think lateral > run-out would be leaving some marks on the surface. Is the rotor > supposed to float? Mine doesn't budge when I push on it. Any > siggestions would be appreciated.

[David Bell]

I have the rotor and the galfer green pads. I recommend it as providing much more brake feel and stopping power. I was recently told by someone who knows that a stainless brake line makes even more difference. db ________________________________ From: Rodney Enriquez To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 9:53:07 AM Subject: Fw: Re: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Rodney Enriquez wrote: From: Rodney Enriquez Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem To: "hansenj32" Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:52 AM It sounds to me like you have a warped rotor. And yes the rotor if a floating rotor. It;s not one solid pc. Right? Replace the rotor and pads. This should end your problem. I was considering this upgrade. You said it wasn't that much better? I'm not that disapointed with the stock. Yes you have to pull hard, but I think it stops fine. Would you reccomend this upgrade? --- On Thu, 11/6/08, hansenj32 wrote: From: hansenj32 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem To: Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:01 AM About a year ago I installed the subject kit with a fresh set of the green Galpher pads and followed the break-in procedure as well as I could. Initially, I was very underwhelmed at the braking power - virtually no improvement over stock & maybe a little less. But I perservered assuming things would improve w/ miles and they did. Lots of stopping power now if you need it. But, as you are coming to stop the last few feet w/ light lever force, there's a very annoying pulse of sorts. You don't feel it in the lever, but it acts like you're squeezing the lever on and off which makes for jerky stops. I examined both sides of the rotor and can see nothing out of the ordinary, the entire surface looks the same. I've cleaned the rotor w/ denatured alcohol and really didn't get anything on the cloth nor did it improve thingd. I've not put a dial indicator on it, but I would think lateral run-out would be leaving some marks on the surface. Is the rotor supposed to float? Mine doesn't budge when I push on it. Any siggestions would be appreciated. Jake [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Harry Seifert]

With the Galfer SS brakeline, two finger front wheel lock-ups are routine. My street '99 with a sticky front tire, 230mm rotor with glafer greens and SS brke line will consistently out brake most of the crotch-rocketeers that try Banner Grade outside my back door. Buddy

> [Original Message] > From: David Bell > To: ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/6/2008 10:48:43 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem > > I have the rotor and the galfer green pads. I recommend it as providing

much more brake feel and stopping power. I was recently told by someone who knows that a stainless brake line makes even more difference.

> > db > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rodney Enriquez > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 9:53:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Re: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Rodney Enriquez wrote: > > From: Rodney Enriquez > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem > To: "hansenj32" > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:52 AM > > It sounds to me like you have a warped rotor. And yes the rotor if a

floating rotor. It;s not one solid pc. Right? Replace the rotor and pads. This should end your problem. I was considering this upgrade. You said it wasn't that much better? I'm not that disapointed with the stock. Yes you have to pull hard, but I think it stops fine. Would you reccomend this upgrade?

> > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, hansenj32 wrote: > > From: hansenj32 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] EBC 230 mm Rotor Conversion Problem > To: > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:01 AM > > About a year ago I installed the subject kit with a fresh set of the > green Galpher pads and followed the break-in procedure as well as I > could. Initially, I was very underwhelmed at the braking power - > virtually no improvement over stock & maybe a little less. But I > perservered assuming things would improve w/ miles and they did. Lots > of stopping power now if you need it. But, as you are coming to stop > the last few feet w/ light lever force, there's a very annoying pulse > of sorts. You don't feel it in the lever, but it acts like you're > squeezing the lever on and off which makes for jerky stops. I examined > both sides of the rotor and can see nothing out of the ordinary, the > entire surface looks the same. I've cleaned the rotor w/ denatured > alcohol and really didn't get anything on the cloth nor did it improve > thingd. I've not put a dial indicator on it, but I would think lateral > run-out would be leaving some marks on the surface. Is the rotor > supposed to float? Mine doesn't budge when I push on it. Any > siggestions would be appreciated. > > Jake > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[nakedwaterskier]

Mine works great after taking it apart 3 times and grinding the caliper relocation bracket that was hitting the heads of the allens that bolt on the rotor.

[Chad]

You didn't mention the condition of the caliper. As you may know the piston get cruddy and corroded over time which prevents it from fully seating or retracting when you let off the brakes. It's part of a rebuild to renew fresh seal and clean that piston up along with fresh fluid. What happens is the piston sticks and pressure remains on the pads, this can give u re uneven feeling just before stopping. As for improved stopping I installed a 320mm rotor as well as stainless steel line and new pads. Stopping did improve but when you start out at extremely lame you end up and kinds crappy no big deal in the back woods or on some trail on your way to a resort but commuting everyday in NYC is a whole other world. KLRs brakes are really sad even with upgrades. Probably time to stop bitchin' and retire the old Kawalski to the country roads and trails upstate and get something with real brakes that can handle the crappy roads here in the big apple.

[Don Montgomery]

Top post Check that the head bearing is tight, when loose a slight feel of pulsing (perhaps from acceptable runout) can get amplified to the point you think something is warped badly. My experience, YRMV Don M

> If you look at the rotor's braking surface, is there an area where you > can see an outline of the brake pad "stamped" into the rotor (and it > won't clean off)? > > RM > > > On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:01:05 -0000, "hansenj32" > said: >> About a year ago I installed the subject kit with a fresh set of the >> green Galpher pads and followed the break-in procedure as well as I >> could. Initially, I was very underwhelmed at the braking power - >> virtually no improvement over stock & maybe a little less. But I >> perservered assuming things would improve w/ miles and they did. Lots >> of stopping power now if you need it. But, as you are coming to stop >> the last few feet w/ light lever force, there's a very annoying pulse >> of sorts. You don't feel it in the lever, but it acts like you're >> squeezing the lever on and off which makes for jerky stops. I examined >> both sides of the rotor and can see nothing out of the ordinary, the >> entire surface looks the same. I've cleaned the rotor w/ denatured >> alcohol and really didn't get anything on the cloth nor did it improve >> thingd. I've not put a dial indicator on it, but I would think lateral >> run-out would be leaving some marks on the surface. Is the rotor >> supposed to float? Mine doesn't budge when I push on it. Any >> siggestions would be appreciated. > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[martin glazer]

14 more die in day of raging violence 2 Baja police agents among those slain By Sandra Dibble UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER November 6, 2008 TIJUANA Police across Tijuana were on high alert as the region's continuing violence claimed 14 lives yesterday, including two state police agents, two victims who were decapitated and four apparently shot while walking. The first Baja California state agent, Marco C rdenas Carrasco, was killed about 8:30 a.m. yesterday while driving near the intersection of two major boulevards in eastern Tijuana. Shortly after 3 p.m., Roberto Elizalde, a veteran agent who oversaw an office in the eastern Mariano Matamoros section, was ambushed on a major thoroughfare as he left his shift. Yesterday's decapitated victims, both men, were discovered about 6 a.m. near the Otay Mesa border crossing, their bodies inside large plastic barrels, and their heads placed on the lids. They were not identified, but a handwritten message was left: This is what will happen to those that hang out with the filthy Arellano F lix. It was signed la ma a, a term for mafia. About 6:30 a.m., four unidentified male victims were found in Mariano Matamoros, on the side of a dirt road near a community clinic attended by dental students. They were between 20 and 25 years old. Shortly after 5 p.m., two dead men were found inside a vehicle in a neighborhood west of downtown. At 7 p.m., in the eastern area of Los Alamos, assailants shot four men, apparently while they were walking, the Attorney General's Office reported. Law enforcement officials say most killings in recent weeks have been the result of battles among criminal groups seeking control of drug trafficking in the region The blare of sirens sounded through the Rio Zone yesterday evening as police searched for a suspect. But for a moment, a hush fell over a main artery, Paseo de Los Heroes: Dozens of colorfully garbed cyclists pedaled through silently, persisting in their routine. Find this article at: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081106-9999-1m6tjdead3.html