my girl is in intensive care

[Reverend]

I came home Saturday night to find a nice green puddle under my bike. It turns out that the gasket had failed. Now, besides not being able to easily get one (I'm in Denver, where KLRs seem rare), I wonder what would cause the gasket to fail? It looks like it sort of pushed out from the side around a bolt and then sprung a leak. Is this a common thing? Is there a way to prevent that, or just keep a gasket handy at all times? That said, dorky me sat down to figure what a gasket will cost me. J The gasket is a $3.xx from the dealer. The bike gets 50mpg. Not riding the bike for a week until a part arrives costs me gas (Volvo gets 25mpg). Basically, I'm paying double in gas while I drive the car, and the fun factor of the bike is lost. Figures I just sold the other bike last night too! *sigh* Reverend - bummed that the bike is parked [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:30:09 -0600 "Reverend" writes:

> I came home Saturday night to find a nice green puddle under my bike. > It > turns out that the gasket had failed. > > > > Now, besides not being able to easily get one (I'm in Denver, where > KLRs > seem rare), I wonder what would cause the gasket to fail? It looks > like it > sort of pushed out from the side around a bolt and then sprung a > leak. > > > > Is this a common thing? Is there a way to prevent that, or just keep > a > gasket handy at all times? > > > > That said, dorky me sat down to figure what a gasket will cost me. > J > > The gasket is a $3.xx from the dealer. The bike gets 50mpg. Not > riding the > bike for a week until a part arrives costs me gas (Volvo gets > 25mpg). > Basically, I'm paying double in gas while I drive the car, and the > fun > factor of the bike is lost. > > > > Figures I just sold the other bike last night too! *sigh* > > > > Reverend - bummed that the bike is parked

<><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><><><><> Reverend, How about making a gasket??? You can buy the appropriate gasket paper at most autoparts stores. Lay it out flat and put the old gasket on the paper. **Trace the outline and then get some scissors. Don't run with them. : ) Then just cut out the new gasket. You can maybe use a bolt as a punch to remove the material in the bolt hole area. Just put the gasket over a piece of wood and then whack the bolt a time or two to punch out the material. Should work well and only take maybe 30 minutes if you take your time. ** Yes I know about making a gasket with a hammer but I don't think that's the most appropriate method for this situation. : ) Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Great pay, great benefits, rewarding. Click for information on a healthcare career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oH0Zf11hNZWE8talCUNNFhAdavGYiTSA83Xvf2HxsBdHl4I/

[David Bell]

Are there any permaseal or similar products that would work in a pinch? db ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Saline To: reverend@... Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:53:25 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] water pump gasket question On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:30:09 -0600 "Reverend" writes:

> I came home Saturday night to find a nice green puddle under my bike. > It > turns out that the gasket had failed. > > > > Now, besides not being able to easily get one (I'm in Denver, where > KLRs > seem rare), I wonder what would cause the gasket to fail? It looks > like it > sort of pushed out from the side around a bolt and then sprung a > leak. > > > > Is this a common thing? Is there a way to prevent that, or just keep > a > gasket handy at all times? > > > > That said, dorky me sat down to figure what a gasket will cost me. > J > > The gasket is a $3.xx from the dealer. The bike gets 50mpg. Not > riding the > bike for a week until a part arrives costs me gas (Volvo gets > 25mpg). > Basically, I'm paying double in gas while I drive the car, and the > fun > factor of the bike is lost. > > > > Figures I just sold the other bike last night too! *sigh* > > > > Reverend - bummed that the bike is parked

<><><><><><> <><><><>< ><><> <><><><><><> <><><><>< ><><> Reverend, How about making a gasket??? You can buy the appropriate gasket paper at most autoparts stores. Lay it out flat and put the old gasket on the paper. **Trace the outline and then get some scissors. Don't run with them. : ) Then just cut out the new gasket. You can maybe use a bolt as a punch to remove the material in the bolt hole area. Just put the gasket over a piece of wood and then whack the bolt a time or two to punch out the material. Should work well and only take maybe 30 minutes if you take your time. ** Yes I know about making a gasket with a hammer but I don't think that's the most appropriate method for this situation. : ) Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads. org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Great pay, great benefits, rewarding. Click for information on a healthcare career. http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/Ioyw6i3oH0Zf1 1hNZWE8talCUNNFh AdavGYiTSA83Xvf2 HxsBdHl4I/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Spike55]

I haven't dug around the right side of a KLR yet but the left side gaskets are paper but covered on both sides with a silver rubberized material. I would assume that one could do a passable DIY job with good gasket paper and some PermaTex, etc material. I plan to do the oil screen cleaning sometime over the winter and will get versed on right side KLR gaskets. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Bell wrote: > > Are there any permaseal or similar products that would work in a pinch? > > db > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jeff Saline > To: reverend@... > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:53:25 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] water pump gasket question > > > On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:30:09 -0600 "Reverend" > writes: > > I came home Saturday night to find a nice green puddle under my bike. > > It > > turns out that the gasket had failed. > > > > > > > > Now, besides not being able to easily get one (I'm in Denver, where > > KLRs > > seem rare), I wonder what would cause the gasket to fail? It looks > > like it > > sort of pushed out from the side around a bolt and then sprung a > > leak. > > > > > > > > Is this a common thing? Is there a way to prevent that, or just keep > > a > > gasket handy at all times? > > > > > > > > That said, dorky me sat down to figure what a gasket will cost me. > > J > > > > The gasket is a $3.xx from the dealer. The bike gets 50mpg. Not > > riding the > > bike for a week until a part arrives costs me gas (Volvo gets > > 25mpg). > > Basically, I'm paying double in gas while I drive the car, and the > > fun > > factor of the bike is lost. > > > > > > > > Figures I just sold the other bike last night too! *sigh* > > > > > > > > Reverend - bummed that the bike is parked > <><><><><><> <><><><>< ><><> > <><><><><><> <><><><>< ><><> > > Reverend, > > How about making a gasket??? You can buy the appropriate gasket paper at > most autoparts stores. Lay it out flat and put the old gasket on the > paper. **Trace the outline and then get some scissors. Don't run with > them. : ) Then just cut out the new gasket. You can maybe use a bolt > as a punch to remove the material in the bolt hole area. Just put the > gasket over a piece of wood and then whack the bolt a time or two to > punch out the material. > > Should work well and only take maybe 30 minutes if you take your time. > > ** Yes I know about making a gasket with a hammer but I don't think > that's the most appropriate method for this situation. : ) > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads. org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Great pay, great benefits, rewarding. Click for information on a healthcare career. > http://thirdpartyof fers.juno. com/TGL2141/ fc/Ioyw6i3oH0Zf1 1hNZWE8talCUNNFh AdavGYiTSA83Xvf2 HxsBdHl4I/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[mikeypep]

My heartfelt sympathies. I would feel the same way "My baby!!!" Of course the teardown will tell all, but we have to remember that its a mechanical device made by man in a world of imperfection and tolerances and as such, subject to failure. This is precious little solace in your time of waiting but lets hope for the best. The KLR bottom end is ball bearing or roller bearing, I think ball, and is very stout. The balancer system and cam chain seem to be subject to wear and failure as with any large single. I'm hoping for you. Keep me posted.

> > He should have it opened up sometime today. If it is a main bearing, > has anyone heard of something like this? Any history of an > aftermarket doo-hickey failing? Oil pump failure? It starts right up. > This is my baby! I'm really bummed about this. > > Thanks for any input! > > Gordon > Animal Magnetizm > Bainbridge Island, WA > http://animalmagnetizm.com/ >

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:43:10 -0700 (PDT) David Bell writes:

> Are there any permaseal or similar products that would work in a > pinch? > > db

<><><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><><> David, I suppose since you're asking about fixing the gasket in a pinch you could try a multitude of products. Ones that come to mind immediately are Permatex Form A Gasket 2 which is non hardening and I think Permatex Ultra Grey would also work well in this application but might be a bit tougher to remove upon clean up for a new gasket. I pulled out my spare coolant pump cover gasket and measured it's thickness. It measured at 0.020" at a few points so it was a pretty consistent thickness. A 1/16" is 0.0625" so 1/32" is 0.3125". I'm sure you can get gasket paper in 1/32" thickness. I don't know that you can easily get it thinner but I'm gonna guess here that the 1/32" would work ok for the coolant pump cover gasket. It would at least work ok for a temporary fix. I'd probably try to not use any sealant in this application if I could get it to seal without help. Anything you use to help seal should be done in very thin amounts. If you use RTV which would probably also work with a gasket you should probably let it cure at least 12 hours before testing it and 24 hours would be preferred for best results. But a thin coating along with a used gasket could probably be put into service immediately upon assembly if you were on the trail and just had to get moving again. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Save for the future with great IRA Funds. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nIaE64oKYThN6BRgipCOoiKck1mF8CAX69JEpj9MFZTnira/