tubed vs. tubeless tires - pt. ii

[Bob Monahan]

KLR Buffs, I had a short term problem with my KLR yesterday after a 20 mile ride at a steady 65+/- mph. I then exited the paved road I'd been on and rode at about 10mph on a hard packed sand road for about 1 minute and then parked my bike for about 15 minutes while I adjusted my Garmin Rino 530 GPS mount and took a short break. When I got back on the bike it seemed to start normally but when I kicked it down into first gear it quit the moment I let out the clutch. This strange phenomenon repeated itself about 7-8 times until I decided I might be low on gas and switched my fuel petcock to reserve and the problem immediatly went away. I'm not sure the switch to reserve fixed the problem or not since after a minute or two of running at highway speed again I decided to experiment and switched back to "on" with my petcock and the problem didn't re-appear. Anybody have a clue here? If this was a car I'd be guessing vapor lock but frankly I'm at a loss. $bob$

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:09:47 -0000 "Bob Monahan" writes:

> KLR Buffs, > > I had a short term problem with my KLR yesterday

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> When I got back on the bike it seemed to start normally but when I > kicked it down into first gear it quit the moment I let out the > clutch. This strange phenomenon repeated itself about 7-8 times > until I decided I might be low on gas and switched my fuel petcock to > reserve and the problem immediatly went away.

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> $bob$

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> $bob$, That's what happens when the side stand is down if the safety switch is working. If your side stand was up maybe the switch was sticking. After a few moments of fiddling with the petcock maybe the switch crept into the "run" position. The switch is located under the black plastic cover above the side stand and left footpeg. A screwdriver is needed to remove the cover. You can follow the cable to find it. Maybe blow some air around it to help clean it off. I think oiling it would maybe cause problems in a sandy environment. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Greg B]

Bob, I had exactly the same thing happen. Bike was idle for a few weeks. Engine started, 1st gear selected, release clutch and then stalled. Engine revved out in neutral no problem. Definitely electrical so I cleaned all sidestand, clutch switches and tried again. No good. Could not figure it out. So then I clutch started the bike in 2nd gear. Ran perfectly then and ever since. I HAVE NO EXPLANATION. Any theorists out there? Greg B Oz Bob Monahan wrote: KLR Buffs, I had a short term problem with my KLR yesterday after a 20 mile ride at a steady 65+/- mph. I then exited the paved road I'd been on and rode at about 10mph on a hard packed sand road for about 1 minute and then parked my bike for about 15 minutes while I adjusted my Garmin Rino 530 GPS mount and took a short break. When I got back on the bike it seemed to start normally but when I kicked it down into first gear it quit the moment I let out the clutch. This strange phenomenon repeated itself about 7-8 times until I decided I might be low on gas and switched my fuel petcock to reserve and the problem immediatly went away. I'm not sure the switch to reserve fixed the problem or not since after a minute or two of running at highway speed again I decided to experiment and switched back to "on" with my petcock and the problem didn't re-appear. Anybody have a clue here? If this was a car I'd be guessing vapor lock but frankly I'm at a loss. $bob$ --------------------------------- Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[teamster1997]

I don't have any theories as to what it may be, but I do know that one of the very first things I did to my 2006 when I bought it was to disable both the clutch and the kick stand safety switches because I did not want to go somewhere, only to be stranded if one went bad. I've put over 40,000 miles on it with no safety issues. My 2 cents, Tim.......

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Greg B wrote: > > > Bob, > > I had exactly the same thing happen. Bike was idle for a few weeks. Engine started, 1st gear selected, release clutch and then stalled. Engine revved out in neutral no problem. Definitely electrical so I cleaned all sidestand, clutch switches and tried again. No good. Could not figure it out. > > So then I clutch started the bike in 2nd gear. Ran perfectly then and ever since. I HAVE NO EXPLANATION. Any theorists out there? > > Greg B > Oz > > > Bob Monahan wrote: > KLR Buffs, > > I had a short term problem with my KLR yesterday after a 20 mile ride > at a steady 65+/- mph. I then exited the paved road I'd been on and > rode at about 10mph on a hard packed sand road for about 1 minute and > then parked my bike for about 15 minutes while I adjusted my Garmin > Rino 530 GPS mount and took a short break. > > When I got back on the bike it seemed to start normally but when I > kicked it down into first gear it quit the moment I let out the > clutch. This strange phenomenon repeated itself about 7-8 times until > I decided I might be low on gas and switched my fuel petcock to > reserve and the problem immediatly went away. > > I'm not sure the switch to reserve fixed the problem or not since > after a minute or two of running at highway speed again I decided to > experiment and switched back to "on" with my petcock and the problem > didn't re-appear. > > Anybody have a clue here? If this was a car I'd be guessing vapor > lock but frankly I'm at a loss. > > $bob$ > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Chris Norloff]

You wouldn't be stranded, though you would have to defeat the interlock to get going again. That could be a royal pain. I've left both interlocks on my bike. I don't particularly care about the clutch one, and my remove it. I bought a new cable to make the sidestand interlock work better. I like the backup, the safety aspect of the sidestand interlock. Riding off with the sidestand down can easily result in a nasty high-side wreck, and is potentially fatal. I think I've left a sidestand down only once in 22 years, and no harm came. But I like backup. best, Chris -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of teamster1997 Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:18 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Strange Phenomenon KLR Starts But Won't Go I don't have any theories as to what it may be, but I do know that one of the very first things I did to my 2006 when I bought it was to disable both the clutch and the kick stand safety switches because I did not want to go somewhere, only to be stranded if one went bad. I've put over 40,000 miles on it with no safety issues. My 2 cents, Tim.......

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Greg B wrote: > > > Bob, > > I had exactly the same thing happen. Bike was idle for a few weeks. Engine started, 1st gear selected, release clutch and then stalled. Engine revved out in neutral no problem. Definitely electrical so I cleaned all sidestand, clutch switches and tried again. No good. Could not figure it out. > > So then I clutch started the bike in 2nd gear. Ran perfectly then and ever since. I HAVE NO EXPLANATION. Any theorists out there? > > Greg B > Oz > > > Bob Monahan wrote: > KLR Buffs, > > I had a short term problem with my KLR yesterday after a 20 mile ride > at a steady 65+/- mph. I then exited the paved road I'd been on and > rode at about 10mph on a hard packed sand road for about 1 minute and > then parked my bike for about 15 minutes while I adjusted my Garmin > Rino 530 GPS mount and took a short break. > > When I got back on the bike it seemed to start normally but when I > kicked it down into first gear it quit the moment I let out the > clutch. This strange phenomenon repeated itself about 7-8 times until > I decided I might be low on gas and switched my fuel petcock to > reserve and the problem immediatly went away. > > I'm not sure the switch to reserve fixed the problem or not since > after a minute or two of running at highway speed again I decided to > experiment and switched back to "on" with my petcock and the problem > didn't re-appear. > > Anybody have a clue here? If this was a car I'd be guessing vapor lock > but frankly I'm at a loss. > > $bob$ > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Norloff" wrote:

> > You wouldn't be stranded, though you would have to defeat the

interlock to

> get going again. That could be a royal pain. > > I've left both interlocks on my bike. I don't particularly care

about the

> clutch one, and my remove it. I bought a new cable to make the

sidestand

> interlock work better. I like the backup, the safety aspect of the

sidestand

> interlock. Riding off with the sidestand down can easily result in

a nasty

> high-side wreck, and is potentially fatal. I think I've left a

sidestand

> down only once in 22 years, and no harm came. But I like backup. > > best, > Chris

Hi Chris, Staying alive/safe is a matter of having a 'constant', or predictable pattern of doing it the same way every time procedure--it will keep you from driving off with the side stand down. I suggest: 1) Mount the bike 2) Lift/wipe the side stand with the left foot 3) Key on 4) Pull the trigger, etc (some suggest, always clutch in. shrug. ) Never pull the trigger unless you 'wipe' with the left foot first. revmaaatin. no side stand safety, the environment is to dirty to trust the switch. shrug. YMMV

[Greg May]

I haven't disconnected the sideatand safety switch on my bike but don't really see any issues going without it because I find when I set on the bike if the sidestand is down it hits the ground as the suspension settles. That being said I agree with the Rev, the firet thing I do after I mount is put the sidestand up, always.....have a great day.....Greg revmaaatin wrote: --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Norloff" wrote:

> > You wouldn't be stranded, though you would have to defeat the

interlock to

> get going again. That could be a royal pain. > > I've left both interlocks on my bike. I don't particularly care

about the

> clutch one, and my remove it. I bought a new cable to make the

sidestand

> interlock work better. I like the backup, the safety aspect of the

sidestand

> interlock. Riding off with the sidestand down can easily result in

a nasty

> high-side wreck, and is potentially fatal. I think I've left a

sidestand

> down only once in 22 years, and no harm came. But I like backup. > > best, > Chris

Hi Chris, Staying alive/safe is a matter of having a 'constant', or predictable pattern of doing it the same way every time procedure--it will keep you from driving off with the side stand down. I suggest: 1) Mount the bike 2) Lift/wipe the side stand with the left foot 3) Key on 4) Pull the trigger, etc (some suggest, always clutch in. shrug. ) Never pull the trigger unless you 'wipe' with the left foot first. revmaaatin. no side stand safety, the environment is to dirty to trust the switch. shrug. YMMV --------------------------------- Instant message from any web browser! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Norloff]

Sounds like an aviator and a pre-flight plan Good way to go. I do all of that, and I taught all of that when I taught. And I still like backup Chris -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of revmaaatin Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:54 AM Hi Chris, Staying alive/safe is a matter of having a 'constant', or predictable pattern of doing it the same way every time procedure--it will keep you from driving off with the side stand down. I suggest: 1) Mount the bike 2) Lift/wipe the side stand with the left foot 3) Key on 4) Pull the trigger, etc (some suggest, always clutch in. shrug. ) Never pull the trigger unless you 'wipe' with the left foot first. revmaaatin. no side stand safety, the environment is to dirty to trust the switch. shrug. YMMV

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Norloff" wrote:

> > > Sounds like an aviator and a pre-flight plan Good way to go. > > I do all of that, and I taught all of that when I taught. > > And I still like backup > > Chris >

Chris, Did you notice, I said, "It is what your should do"...suggesting, that I don't always get it done...every time. smile. Particularly when tired...which is a good indication it is time to park the beast before it parks on you. I did manage to get an RD35O up to 70+mph with the side stand down, and I 'discovered' it would not go up dragging it on the pavement. It will however, allow you to exit straight-ahead while attempting to make a sweeping right hand turn on I-70 near Kingdom City, MO at 70mph--up into the grass embankment. If I had not the years of HODAKA experience and presence of mind to 'stand up' on the pegs, it could have been ugly. If it had been a guardrail rather than a smooth transition from shoulder to grass embankment, the outcome would have been questionable. Offroading on an RD350 at 70mph is one of the more memorable moments in my life. revmaaatin.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> > Offroading on an RD350 at 70mph is one of the more memorable moments in > my life. >

Switch the D and the R and it's not so bad.