hd tirade

[Don S]

Hi Steve. Thank you for your input/advice. I've provided my answers and comments below: Q: What sort of injustice did HD inflict on you to deserve your incessant vitriol? A: Builds mediocre machines that turn many normal purchasers into self indulgent, egotistical, delusional a-holes that I, and many others unfortunately have to put up with. Q: Did your mama's HD-riding boyfriend whip you with his studded belt or what? A: That's a little personal wouldn't you say? Lashing out are we? A lesser person would be offended. Maybe it would be better for us all if you chanted your HD-bashing to yourself in the mirror every morning. I'll take that under advisement, but, not likely. If you require constant affirmation or just need to hear the sound of your own voice, record your tirades on your Radio Shack cassette player and listen to them at your convenience, but -please- spare the rest of us. We heard you loud and clear the first time. Last time I checked, freedom of speech was still in effect and here's a news flash: Cassettes have been replaced with MP3 players/recorders. I think you're the odd man out. I'd bet that there are more people enjoying this exchange than not. Just out of curiosity, would you be a Harley rider? It appears that the above advice you are so generously providing me might just be your method to prepare yourself for a serious bike polishing session and maybe a grueling two mile long haul to the coffee shop to trade fabricated riding stories with your biker-in-a-can, bad-boy wanna be pals. Regards. Don stevedyer@... wrote: Damn, Don! What sort of injustice did HD inflict on you to deserve your incessant vitriol? Did your mama's HD-riding boyfriend whip you with his studded belt or what? Maybe it would be better for us all if you chanted your HD-bashing to yourself in the mirror every morning. If you require constant affirmation or just need to hear the sound of your own voice, record your tirades on your Radio Shack cassette player and listen to them at your convenience, but -please- spare the rest of us. We heard you loud and clear the first time. Steve ---- Don S wrote: The words "decent performance" and "Harley" are seldom used in the same sentence. HD isn't about performance. It's all about tinsel, chrome and noise. And of course, separating suckers from large quantities of their money. Surprisingly, they keep coming and continue to empty their bank accounts to purchase these pinnacles of mediocrity. All for the illusion that they have transformed themselves into something they are not and will never be. Except maybe broke. I wonder if that's why HD riders carry the 14 inch long wallets bolted to their asses with a six foot dog chain. Just to remind themselves how much money they blew on their tinsel noise maker. Or, maybe the wallet's so big to carry all the money they will need to fix it and the chains come in handy for a tow home? fasteddiecopeman wrote: Last year on a ride over several days with some buddies (most on Harls), one swapped with me for an hour to try on my KLR, but before we traded, he asked what size my helmet (Shoei) was. I told him that I WOULDN'T ride his Harley with his crap helmet, so he could ride the KLR with it! BTW, a KLR WILL beat a Screaming Eagle ($50K Canadian) in a 5th gear roll-on!!! Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > Maybe you didn't adorn yourself with ass-less chaps, finger-less gloves, $45.00 dew rag and sawed off beanie to get yourself into the HD karma zone. Notice even the flaky riding gear has something missing? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[stevedyer@cox.net]

Don, You took my bait, I've no interest in yours. The point was to get the unproductive anti-HD posturing/envy/whatever off the list. Meaningful discussion/comparison regarding different marques is informative and interesting, but the ranting was getting onerous and someone had to throw themselves on the grenade for the good of the List. I'll respond to your mail off-list. I have no illusions about changing your perspective, but if you really need to vent then I'm willing to help you out. Steve ---- Don S wrote: Hi Steve. Thank you for your input/advice. I've provided my answers and comments below: .

[Mike Frey]

I'm late to the party. I'll defend H-D even though I will likely never own one - I simply don't like them (yes, I have ridden them). I don't like cruisers in general. ...Not my kind of bike. (My kind of bike is the KLR and the modern "retro" styled bikes - ZRX, FZ, Bandit - and almost all dirt bikes) The newer Harleys are better built, reliable, don't leak oil, and are low maintenance. However, with those air cooled V-Twins, the trailing cylinder normally runs much hotter than the one in front and is often the first to wear out. Although the build quality is way better now than it was 20 years ago, the basic design hasn't changed much. By 50,000 miles, many Harleys are ready for a rebuild. By 50,000 miles, many KLRs are also ready for a rebuild - but you have to consider that the piston in the KLR has seen more than double the engine revolutions than most H-D engines have. (Qualifier to above - KLRs that are ridden off road a lot usually won't make it to 50,000 miles) I'd give the advantage to the KLR, but won't knock the Harley. I'll readily poke fun at the tassles, chrome, doo rags, wallet chains, assless chaps, etc. That's a mystique that I will never understand.

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[Ronald Criswell]

You know guys ...... I like motorcycles, just about every frigging one of them. They all serve different purposes and functions and ...... lifestyles. I rode a long time nothing but dirt. Then I got into dual sport and sport touring and love that kind of stuff. And heck, I like watching the Discovery channel and watching the Orange County guys (and others) make what I call Art bikes. Loved the crazy ride on the seat doing the iron cross thing .... the late Indian Larry. Evil Kinevel to me ranks right up there with all my other heros like Malcom Smith, Bud Ekins, Kenny Roberts, and Carmicheal. I watched Travis Pastrana the other day doing the X games and I was like most normal humans, absolutely stunned to see what he does on 2 wheels. The guys at say Confederate Motorcycles rank right up there to me with John Britten and newer guys like Eric Buell. They think different and choose different new paths to 2 wheels. But they are all 2 wheels and everyone I ever rode on has given me a thrill including the Flathead Harley K when I was 14 and the Vespa I totally destroyed at the same age. But I didn't think much of my first 2 wheel motor vehicle, a piece of crap Cushman Highlander. It is embarrassing that a country that put a man on the moon would produce such a piece of junk. Cushman knew when all those Honda 90's and 160's invaded their game was over. Now that just about all bikes are really good, can't we all just get along. Criswell

On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:36 PM, wrote: > > Damn, Don! > > What sort of injustice did HD inflict on you to deserve your > incessant vitriol? Did your mama's HD-riding boyfriend whip you > with his studded belt or what? Maybe it would be better for us all > if you chanted your HD-bashing to yourself in the mirror every > morning. If you require constant affirmation or just need to hear > the sound of your own voice, record your tirades on your Radio > Shack cassette player and listen to them at your convenience, but - > please- spare the rest of us. We heard you loud and clear the first > time. > > Steve > > ---- Don S wrote: > The words "decent performance" and "Harley" are seldom used in the > same sentence. HD isn't about performance. It's all about tinsel, > chrome and noise. And of course, separating suckers from large > quantities of their money. Surprisingly, they keep coming and > continue to empty their bank accounts to purchase these pinnacles > of mediocrity. All for the illusion that they have transformed > themselves into something they are not and will never be. Except > maybe broke. I wonder if that's why HD riders carry the 14 inch > long wallets bolted to their asses with a six foot dog chain. Just > to remind themselves how much money they blew on their tinsel noise > maker. Or, maybe the wallet's so big to carry all the money they > will need to fix it and the chains come in handy for a tow home? > > fasteddiecopeman wrote: > Last year on a ride over several days with some buddies (most on > Harls), one swapped with > me for an hour to try on my KLR, but before we traded, he asked > what size my helmet > (Shoei) was. I told him that I WOULDN'T ride his Harley with his > crap helmet, so he could > ride the KLR with it! > BTW, a KLR WILL beat a Screaming Eagle ($50K Canadian) in a 5th > gear roll-on!!! > Ed > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > > > Maybe you didn't adorn yourself with ass-less chaps, finger-less > gloves, $45.00 dew rag > and sawed off beanie to get yourself into the HD karma zone. Notice > even the flaky riding > gear has something missing? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Archive Quicksearch at:http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ > klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ronald Criswell]

I'm with you, I have always liked the looks of a Sporty and since I put a lot of miles on my bikes, who cares about resale. Now that they finally mounted the engine in rubber, bigger tank, and put the pegs on the frame, they are an attractive alternative to the overly plastic bikes we have today. Something that looks and sounds nice without too much maintenance with 60's look and feel. It is a pain to pull the plastic on my Concourse to get at the valves. Something you don't have to do on a Sporty. And I won't be going the 135 - 140 the Concourse will do after the costs of my last speeding ticket. Criswell

On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:25 PM, E.L. Green wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > > > The words "decent performance" and "Harley" are seldom used in the > same sentence. HD isn't about performance. It's all about tinsel, > chrome and noise. And of course, separating suckers from large > quantities of their money. Surprisingly, they keep coming and > > You might want to price the Harley Sportster. It is surprisingly > affordable. It won't win any drag races with Japanese sportbikes, but > it does a great job of keeping ahead of cars. The drive belt and > hydraulic lifters means it's a very low-maintenance platform, and it > gets 60+mpg. Of course, the "real" Harley guys look down on it, but I > wouldn't mind having one. It's the KLR of cruisers, really. > > _E > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ktatum]

And a double ditto here too whats this guys fasination with assless chaps?? anyway in all his rants he keeps talking about harley guys asses??? This is a motorcycle group right??

----- Original Message ----- From: Arden Kysely To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Buell Ulysses? NKLR Ditto. It's time to move on and let folks ride what they want, wear what the want, and live like they want. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > Damn, Don! > > What sort of injustice did HD inflict on you to deserve your incessant vitriol? Did your mama's HD-riding boyfriend whip you with his studded belt or what? Maybe it would be better for us all if you chanted your HD-bashing to yourself in the mirror every morning. If you require constant affirmation or just need to hear the sound of your own voice, record your tirades on your Radio Shack cassette player and listen to them at your convenience, but -please- spare the rest of us. We heard you loud and clear the first time. > > Steve > > > ---- Don S wrote: > The words "decent performance" and "Harley" are seldom used in the same sentence. HD isn't about performance. It's all about tinsel, chrome and noise. And of course, separating suckers from large quantities of their money. Surprisingly, they keep coming and continue to empty their bank accounts to purchase these pinnacles of mediocrity. All for the illusion that they have transformed themselves into something they are not and will never be. Except maybe broke. I wonder if that's why HD riders carry the 14 inch long wallets bolted to their asses with a six foot dog chain. Just to remind themselves how much money they blew on their tinsel noise maker. Or, maybe the wallet's so big to carry all the money they will need to fix it and the chains come in handy for a tow home? > > fasteddiecopeman wrote: > Last year on a ride over several days with some buddies (most on Harls), one swapped with > me for an hour to try on my KLR, but before we traded, he asked what size my helmet > (Shoei) was. I told him that I WOULDN'T ride his Harley with his crap helmet, so he could > ride the KLR with it! > BTW, a KLR WILL beat a Screaming Eagle ($50K Canadian) in a 5th gear roll-on!!! > Ed > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > > > Maybe you didn't adorn yourself with ass-less chaps, finger-less gloves, $45.00 dew rag > and sawed off beanie to get yourself into the HD karma zone. Notice even the flaky riding > gear has something missing? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Don S]

Thanks for the offer Steve, but no thanks. Save it for the coffee shop. I'm certain your slate will be full unscrambling the feeble minds of other HD (Hopelessly Delusional) riders. Check for gills! Regards. Don stevedyer@... wrote: Don, You took my bait, I've no interest in yours. The point was to get the unproductive anti-HD posturing/envy/whatever off the list. Meaningful discussion/comparison regarding different marques is informative and interesting, but the ranting was getting onerous and someone had to throw themselves on the grenade for the good of the List. I'll respond to your mail off-list. I have no illusions about changing your perspective, but if you really need to vent then I'm willing to help you out. Steve ---- Don S wrote: Hi Steve. Thank you for your input/advice. I've provided my answers and comments below: . --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Critchley]

Strangely enough, I have been trying to figure out this problem too, I do keep coming up with the same answer, but I don't like it. Could this fellow be a rancher trying to sell more leather to the chaps industry? I hope so. To put the problem in Shakespearean terms; " Methinks the lady doth protest too much!" DC ktatum wrote:

>And a double ditto here too whats this guys fasination with assless chaps?? anyway in all his rants he keeps talking about harley guys asses??? This is a motorcycle group right?? > ----- Original Message ----- > > >

[riverman051955]

-- Maybe he's trying to decide "to be or not to be" :0 -ma In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Critchley wrote:

> > Strangely enough, I have been trying to figure out this problem

too, I

> do keep coming up with the same answer, but I don't like it. Could

this

> fellow be a rancher trying to sell more leather to the chaps

industry? I

> hope so. To put the problem in Shakespearean terms; " Methinks the

lady

> doth protest too much!" > DC > > ktatum wrote: > > >And a double ditto here too whats this guys fasination with

assless chaps?? anyway in all his rants he keeps talking about harley guys asses??? This is a motorcycle group right??

> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >

[Samuel Hudson]

I don't care who you are, assless chaps are funny --sam hudson, san antonio tx.