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dooden
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Post by dooden » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:50 am

Spoken like a true LEO ..... ;-) But on the other side, if there were no Police I could just shoot them crackheads and thiefs.... Things that make you go... Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm Just pointing to the other side of the coin, and wondering why somebody would be going 53 in a 35, or did you see that speed limit sign in your mirror ? I have thanked the State Troopers and Sheriff deputies when they pull people over in front of my house, 35 MPH posted, but folks go by at highway speeds.. one deputy told me if I want to video tape them and send it in they might even ticket based off the video. Dooden A15 Green Ape
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Me wrote: > > And if it weren't for the cops ... you wouldn't be able to > ride your KLR or drive your 4Runner .... they would have > been stolen and some crack head would be riding/driving > them. > > It's funny how cops don't hassel those who obey the law. > > --- Keith Saltzer wrote: > > > So I ride the KLR all week long to work and back, did a > > few errands, > > and constantly reminded myself to "keep it cool" as I did > > so. No > > problem. > > > > I get home Friday night, change, and hop into my 84 > > 4Runner to go get > > some beer and pizza rolls at the local supermarket > > and............and..........I don't even get 2 BLOCKS > > away from my > > house and a CHP pulls me over and gives me a ticket!!!! > > sigh I guess > > I am never going to stop getting tickets. It must be > > part of my > > genetic makeup. > > > > The good news is that after saying "I have a class A > > license, so > > please be nice", he wrote me up for 44 in a > > 35..................he > > clocked me doing 53. :-) > > > > MrMoose > > A14 (4 awhile)

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Post by Keith Saltzer » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:59 pm

> Just pointing to the other side of the coin, and wondering why > somebody would be going 53 in a 35, or did you see that speed limit > sign in your mirror ? > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape
Well Dooden, there were quite a few other "little" details that I left out in my original post because I just didn't feel like typing it all out for everyone. But now that I've seen quite a few responses, and after all, you did ask: To start with, I live right on and next to this 1/4 mile stretch of 35 mph posted roadway. If I pull out and turn right, I only roll about 200 feet and it goes up to 45 mph, then 2 miles later it's 55 mph. I go this way 99% of the time. If I turn left (as I did this time) it stays 35 mph for only 1/2 mile and then goes to 50 mph for a short distance, then 55 mph. In either direction, most cars do 45-55 the whole way. It's just the way most people drive this road. I have lived here and driven it for 7 years and always pass CHP and Sheriffs doing 5-7 mph over and I never get pulled over for that. They WILL give you that. They have even told me that personally. I usually stay right at 5 mph over. Not slow enough to have a mile long line of cars behind me, and not fast enough to even worry about a ticket. I had not driven my 4Runner in a solid week and the windsheild was pretty dirty so I cleaned it with the squirts and wipers while waiting for it to warm up a bit. It looked clean to me sitting there in the driveway, but it appearently still had some funk on it. I don't know what it was. It was dark outside. I pulled out onto the road and my "still cold and carburated" old Toyota started to stumble a bit. This happened in front of a few cars coming up behind me at the speed most people travel at on this road...........about 45. So naturally I gave it more gas to get moving up to the same speed. Doing this probably put me a little over the 35 mph posted limit now, but that shouldn't have been a big deal. I was now on a short bridge which then heads into an easy left hand bend in the road, and I remember letting off the throttle as soon as I got close to the speed of traffic, and just maintained it across the bridge. As I am coming to the end of the bridge, a vehicle was coming to a stop on my right, facing me directly, with his lights full on in my face and lighting up my windshield. (this is where I get distracted for the next 500 ft, and right past the cop, who's sitting in front of a 50 mph speed limit sign) The road that that vehicle is on is extremely steep, and facing the direction that I am going, and it causes his lowbeams to look like they are "high" beams and it really lights up my windshield. I have a hard time looking through the muck still on my windshield and so I try to clean it off some more with my squirts and wipers. As I am doing that, I pass another road entrance on my right, that is just like the other one, except it is facing the same direction as me and there's no one there. Since I know I am getting close to a major bump up in the posted speed limit, as I am still cleaning my windshield, I subconciously speed up and get moving. There's no more roads on my right, no driveways, no major intersections, nobody in front of me, and I'm heading into a 50 mph section. That's where mister wonderful was sitting. I didn't even know it was a cop as I came up behind him. I couldn't see details. I saw a vehicle sitting on the side of the road, and I let off the throttle because I was still dealing with my windshield and although I could see that the vehicle wasn't moving, I couldn't tell if there were people beside that vehicle, on the road, or what was going on for sure. It was just a safety reaction on my part, also subconciously. When the cop pulled me over and told me he clocked me at 53, (and noticed that I slowed down as soon as I saw him) I was shocked and I let him know that. That just seemed too high. Then I remembered that my bigger tires have the speedo reading slower than I am going. I don't know how slow, but I forgot about it completely cause I hadn't driven the truck in a full week. I drive many different vehicles during the week, and I just forgot to remind myself of that particular detail in the first 2 blocks of driving it that night. I would have remembered it in a mile or so after passing the cop, after my windshield was clean, and after I was settled down into the vehicle again. So that's why I'm a bit pissed about it. That's also why I put "I know I'm guilty" in my post heading. (Warning, rant follows) I know that I was guilty, but come on!! I was guilty of speeding because I chose to do the more important thing and concentrate on making sure that I could see where I was going!! Still getting used to the trucks controls again and cleaning the windshield off better, I was going a little faster than some peice of metal sticking up out of the ground says I can go. Shut the f^#$ up. Tell you what, next time I'll say screw the dirty window, and I'll make damn sure that I'm only doing 35 mph, as I drive by that cop again and plow into him and kill him as I can't see him standing right next to the road there. Oooops. Sorry bout that. But aren't you glad that I was doing only 35 mph when I killed your husband ma'am?? Yea right. The cop was sitting only 100-200 ft away from a 50 mph sign. This is not the first time that I have been pulled over this way. I got it reduced last time, and just did online traffic school. He could see that I had windshield fluid all over my window. He could tell that my motor wasn't even warmed up. He could see that I am a 40 year old class A driver with every endorsment that one can get, plus a motorcycle endorsement. He could see that I live right there! He could see that my license is clean. He could see that I had insurance, the truck registration was current. He could see that I was very polite and cordial. He could see that I was white. (hehehe just a little joke guys, don't freak)But no, he had to give me a ticket anyway, all the while saying, "boy, I might as well go home now. I'm just not doing my job here giving you a break and all. The judge is gonna see this and say "what? only 9 miles over?" OH brother. Was this guy for real? The speed limit signs do not have a brain and cannot take into account weather, road conditions, traffic, vehicle condition, and how much experiance and control and brains the driver has. The cop can! He chose not to use his brain. He just wanted to write another ticket. Of course I'm going to fight it. I'll let you all know what happens. MrMoose A14 (4 awhile)

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Post by Dail » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:58 pm

----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Saltzer" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR I know I was guilty.......... | Well Dooden, there were quite a few other "little" details that I | left out in my original post because I just didn't feel like typing | it all out for everyone. But now that I've seen quite a few | responses, and after all, you did ask: | | >Big Snip< I have lived here and driven | it for 7 years ----------------------- If you've driven it this way 7 years, and gotten away with it, count yourself lucky, pay the ticket & slow down

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Post by Jud Jones » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:39 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dail" wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Saltzer" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:51 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR I know I was guilty.......... > | Well Dooden, there were quite a few other "little" details that I > | left out in my original post because I just didn't feel like typing > | it all out for everyone. But now that I've seen quite a few > | responses, and after all, you did ask: > | > | >Big Snip< > I have lived here and driven > | it for 7 years > ----------------------- > If you've driven it this way 7 years, and gotten away with it, > count yourself lucky, pay the ticket & slow down
No, don't just pay it. Fight it. Fight 'em all. Speed law enforcement is a scam, and you know it. 53 in a 35? That ain't speeding. 83 in a 35, that's speeding.

dooden
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Post by dooden » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:45 am

Not me throwing stones, cause I have glass windows in my house. Just pointing out the obvious.. and not so obvious 53 in a 35 (playing) Typically I do not speed if the sign says 55 my speedo says 55~59 on the highway, in town I might give it a few extra numbers if open and nothing around. Just the way I drive, always have been driving since 1980 or so, to date I have zero tickets, except ummmm 2 parking tickets, one when I was 16 (parking meter expired when in line waiting to pay insurance) and the other was on a military base cause I parked in the back of a lot (reserved for higher paygrades) in the middle of the night my first night on the base when I reported for duty and just wanted a couple of hours sleep before checking in. Get me on a gravel/dirt road on the KLR and well not so... have hit in excess of lets say umm 75 mph on some of these roads sliding from the inside of the corners to the tree line on the other side. Stupid hey.. Let us know how fighting it went... Good Luck Dooden A15 Green Ape
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Saltzer" wrote: > > > Just pointing to the other side of the coin, and wondering why > > somebody would be going 53 in a 35, or did you see that speed limit > > sign in your mirror ? > > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > > Well Dooden, there were quite a few other "little" details that I > left out in my original post because I just didn't feel like typing > it all out for everyone. But now that I've seen quite a few > responses, and after all, you did ask: > > To start with, I live right on and next to this 1/4 mile stretch of > 35 mph posted roadway. If I pull out and turn right, I only roll > about 200 feet and it goes up to 45 mph, then 2 miles later it's 55 > mph. I go this way 99% of the time. > > If I turn left (as I did this time) it stays 35 mph for only 1/2 > mile and then goes to 50 mph for a short distance, then 55 mph. > > In either direction, most cars do 45-55 the whole way. It's just > the way most people drive this road. I have lived here and driven > it for 7 years and always pass CHP and Sheriffs doing 5-7 mph over > and I never get pulled over for that. They WILL give you that. > They have even told me that personally. I usually stay right at 5 > mph over. Not slow enough to have a mile long line of cars behind > me, and not fast enough to even worry about a ticket. >>>>>>>>>>> > Of course I'm going to fight it. I'll let you all know what happens. > > MrMoose > A14 (4 awhile) >

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Post by Moose » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:22 am

__No, don't just pay it. Fight it. Fight 'em all. Speed law enforcement is a scam, and you know it. 53 in a 35? That ain't speeding. 83 in a 35, that's speeding. ,_._,___ Unfortunately that is the general attitude that is the biggest problem with speeders. That and, the speed limit doesn't apply to me because i'm a better then average driver. Speed limits were put in place not just because of the safe speed and handling of the vehicles, but also for the reactions of the drivers. Do some research and see what happened in the US when there were no speed limits or traffic enforcement, it was pretty brutal. A 35 MPH zone is more then likely a 2 lane road in a residential neighborhood. Try setting some cones out, hot 53 MPH and see if you can stop in a reasonable distance. That extra 18 MPH will add enough distance to make a difference. 5 mph over isn't speeding, it's fast. Once you get over 10 mph, that's speeding. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by Mike Brodhead » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:09 pm

On Nov 17, 2006, at 5:14 AM, Moose wrote:
> That and, the speed limit doesn't apply to me because i'm a better > then average driver. Speed limits were put in place not just > because of the safe speed and handling of the vehicles, but also > for the reactions of the drivers.
One of my favorite statistics is that most drivers regard their own driving as above average. That said, there are still places where the speed limits are poorly chosen or chosen for revenue reasons. Furthermore, speed limits are (usually) static and don't reflect current conditions. The posted speed limit on the San Francisco Bay Bridge is 50, but in a major downpour with high crosswinds, 50 is unsafe. Splitting when traffic is nearly stopped, I might not break 30. On a clear day with very light traffic and no wind, 70 is perfectly reasonable. --mkb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by Arden Kysely » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:01 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Brodhead wrote:
>snipp... Furthermore, speed limits are > (usually) static and don't reflect current conditions. The posted > speed limit on the San Francisco Bay Bridge is 50, but in a major > downpour with high crosswinds, 50 is unsafe. Splitting when > traffic is nearly stopped, I might not break 30. On a clear day
with very light traffic and no wind, 70 is perfectly reasonable.
> > --mkb >
That's why California has the Basic Speed Law, basically "Thou shalt not drive faster than is reasonable & prudent for conditions, and never so fast as to endanger people or property." I would think any speed could endanger people & property, but we'll leave that one to the lawyers. __Arden

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Post by revmaaatin » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:05 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:
> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dail" wrote: > > ----------------------- > > If you've driven it this way 7 years, and gotten away with it, > > count yourself lucky, pay the ticket & slow down > > > No, don't just pay it. Fight it. Fight 'em all. Speed law
enforcement is a scam, and you
> know it. 53 in a 35? That ain't speeding. 83 in a 35, that's
speeding.
>
Judd your suggestion goes-to a YES/NO survey given on TV last night from an A&E crime fighter/bad cop episode: Q. Should a police officer's testimony have more validity than a 'civilian'. vote: YES/NO. Most magistrates (in my experience) will say, Q. what did the radar gun say? A. 53 mph. and there you have it. GUILTY.--NEXXT! And we are ALL supposed to believe that the radar gun is reset, and you are not being shown, the previous guy/gal speed. Some of the newer technology is HUD (heads up display) of the radar feed into the LEO camera. If that is the case, your car, and your speed, is all on the tape (at least that is the way I understand it). As for fighting it, perhaps you can suggest to us how, without engaging a lawyer, which is always equally, or more so, spendy, what is a person to do? Who is the magistrate going to believe? It seems it is all about intimidation, doesn't it. I can't think of anything worse than a bully with a badged-uniformed- authority, and yes, that includes 'bad' priests and pastors, only more so. The misuse of authority should be called what it is, and placed a special category of treason. revmaaatin.

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Post by Moose » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:00 pm

Almost every state has a law like that, not just California. Just most of them fall under the Careless and Reckless section. Usually it's worder like this "Without due caution and cicrumspection and at a speed or in a manner as to endanger persons and property, to wit:" A lot of people call it a catch all, or article 32 in the military, but it works Arden Kysely wrote:
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Brodhead wrote: >snipp... Furthermore, speed limits are > (usually) static and don't reflect current conditions. The posted > speed limit on the San Francisco Bay Bridge is 50, but in a major > downpour with high crosswinds, 50 is unsafe. Splitting when > traffic is nearly stopped, I might not break 30. On a clear day with very light traffic and no wind, 70 is perfectly reasonable. > > --mkb > That's why California has the Basic Speed Law, basically "Thou shalt not drive faster than is reasonable & prudent for conditions, and never so fast as to endanger people or property." I would think any speed could endanger people & property, but we'll leave that one to the lawyers. __Arden --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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