loud pipes save lives - headlight modulators

[keithrstone]

I can't think of a single one.... reason to make it louder. Keith --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, COURTNEY DEPAULA wrote:

> > wondered if anyone might suggest a good muffler for my 2006 klr

650 to make it louder

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[kestrelfal]

How about a water-cooled pipe. Very quiet. http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/index.html JUST KIDDING!!! Fred,,,,,those freewheeling college days......................

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "keithrstone" wrote: > > I can't think of a single one.... reason to make it louder. > > Keith > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, COURTNEY DEPAULA > wrote: > > > > wondered if anyone might suggest a good muffler for my 2006 klr > 650 to make it louder > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

[Donald Dickerson]

If you use that pipe it won't be loud, but you don't need to be riding your bike afterward...might need flaps, though... Don --- kestrelfal wrote:

> How about a water-cooled pipe. Very quiet. > > http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/index.html > > JUST KIDDING!!! > > Fred,,,,,those freewheeling college days...................... > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "keithrstone" > wrote: > > > > I can't think of a single one.... reason to make it louder. > > > > Keith > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, COURTNEY DEPAULA > > wrote: > > > > > > wondered if anyone might suggest a good muffler for my 2006 klr > > 650 to make it louder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >

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[Norm Keller]

>How about a water-cooled pipe. Very quiet. >http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/index.html >JUST KIDDING!!! >Fred,,,,,those freewheeling college days......................

Fred, are you meaning a "water cooled pipe" or a "cool water pipe"? Inquiring minds....... (EBG) Norm (Even Bigger Grin) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jeepaviation]

Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown upon our "riding freedom". Let me tell you, if you are in a large city the BEST THING you can have is a LOUD RIDE!!!! But seriously now...I run a KLR with a Big Gun exhaust. I have to wear earplugs to keep from hurting my ears. In addition, do you really think our little KLR 650 cc is even comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes (AKA - any Harley). Let me tell you, It's not even close. With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on makeup, listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and talking on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage.I have avoided being squashed like a bug several times because of my "excessive noise". I can tell you from experience. If you run a quiet bike you are less protected.The car drivers don't look for you and can't hear you.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Maxwell" wrote: > > Anybody have any thoughts on the sound of the Anti-Tweet Conversion > > http://multisurfacemotorcycling.com/products/klrprod.htm > > I threw out a Supertrapp because it was WAY to loud. > > Jim > > On 8/14/06, Doug Herr wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, COURTNEY DEPAULA wrote: > > > > > wondered if anyone might suggest a good muffler for my 2006 klr 650 to make it louder > > > > > > Please don't. > > > > We get a bad rap already. Don't make it worse by annoying the > > public even more by making your bike louder. > > > > > > -- > > Doug Herr > > doug@... > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[CB]

I have a different take on this. Just my thoughts, not trying to convert anyone. It's interesting to me to see this post here. The "loud pipes save lives" crowd tends to be more involved with cruisers, generally. They often claim the loud pipes make them safer. These seem to also be the same folks that wear a t-shirt, jeans and skid lid for protection. To me, their claim of being safety focused is worn thin by their other habits. A few observations below:

On Aug 15, 2006, at 9:05 PM, jeepaviation wrote: > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown > upon our "riding freedom". It does. People almost universally dislike loud motorcycles. > .. do you really think our little KLR 650 cc is even > comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes (AKA - any Harley). > Let me tell you, It's not even close. The V-Twins are a problem, so it's okay for us to make it worse? Huh? > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on makeup, > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and talking > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage. There have been reputable studies done that show this is simply not true in almost any situation. The pipes don't direct the sound where you need it -- in front of you. Unless of course you've turned the pipes around to they point in front of the motorcycle. (in which case they may work great and probably scare the heck out of a lot of people.) The exception to this seems to be when you're riding next to someone and they attempt to come over into your lane. This situation is easily avoided though just by riding defensively. Planning ahead, practicing emergency maneuvers and riding defensively are much better options for keeping oneself healthy. And, it won't piss off everyone within a hundred yards. LIke I said, just my 2 cents.. Ride safe and enjoy. Clark

[Jim]

I'd like to toss out a few opinions here. Keep in mind that I have a stock exhaust, because I'd rather not be half deaf after a 500+ mile day. I don't think riders who like to hear the sound of a good exhaust should need to feel embarassed that they are doing something wrong. Wherever we go on the street there are loud noises that bother us. What is bothersome depends on the individual, so unless there is absolute quiet in the world, there will always be someone complaining about noise. Personally, I would rather hear the sound of a nice bike exhaust over thumping rap music coming from a rolling speaker. Or an annoying amateur band at a free outdoor concert on the town common. Or screaming kids. Or their mother screaming at them. When I go to work I am bothered by the hard-rock stations other employees listen to. When I walk down the street I hear cars honking, sirens, people yelling profanity. I want to shop in peace, and I have to listen to loud store announcements and the crappy music they play over the store speakers. At home I have to listen to the neighbor's kids screaming at each other while I'm trying to have a quiet cookout. Most of these things will never stop, and would be impossible to stop. They are the sounds of people going about their daily lives, whether I want to hear it or not. Until all of that stops, I'm not going to worry about the sound of my bike's exhaust. When it comes to trail use, there is even less argument for having a quiet bike. We ride out in the wilderness with nobody around to complain. Don't bother trying to use the "poor wild animal" excuse, because I can't count how many times I have stopped on the trail with my old ZRT800 snowmobile (800cc, 2-stroke, aftermarket exhaust which absolutely SCREAMED) running, and watched deer feeding not far from the trail, paying absolutely no attention to me. A couple years ago 2 of us had to wait for 10 minutes for a moose to finally decide to walk off the trail before we could go by. I could tell by how slowly she walked down the trail that she was terrified of my loud exhaust. Jim

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, CB wrote: > > I have a different take on this. Just my thoughts, not trying to > convert anyone. > > It's interesting to me to see this post here. The "loud pipes save > lives" crowd tends to be more involved with cruisers, generally. > They often claim the loud pipes make them safer. These seem to also > be the same folks that wear a t-shirt, jeans and skid lid for > protection. To me, their claim of being safety focused is worn thin > by their other habits. > > A few observations below: > On Aug 15, 2006, at 9:05 PM, jeepaviation wrote: > > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown > > upon our "riding freedom". > It does. People almost universally dislike loud motorcycles. > > > .. do you really think our little KLR 650 cc is even > > comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes (AKA - any Harley). > > Let me tell you, It's not even close. > > The V-Twins are a problem, so it's okay for us to make it worse? Huh? > > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on makeup, > > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and talking > > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage. > There have been reputable studies done that show this is simply not > true in almost any situation. The pipes don't direct the sound where > you need it -- in front of you. Unless of course you've turned the > pipes around to they point in front of the motorcycle. (in which > case they may work great and probably scare the heck out of a lot of > people.) The exception to this seems to be when you're riding next > to someone and they attempt to come over into your lane. This > situation is easily avoided though just by riding defensively. > > Planning ahead, practicing emergency maneuvers and riding defensively > are much better options for keeping oneself healthy. And, it won't > piss off everyone within a hundred yards. > > LIke I said, just my 2 cents.. > > Ride safe and enjoy. > > Clark >

[John Biccum]

Hi Jim Where I live (near Seattle) the biggest barrier to keeping riding areas open for motorcycle use is the noise made by motorcycles running aftermarket exhaust systems. We share the forest roads and trails with hikers, mountain bikers, picnickers, campers etc none of which want to hear a 95db bike scream past. When these other forest users complain to forest managers about motorcycle noise the anti-access people frequently succeed in getting yet another area posted "No motorcycles" . There are many trails in the Snoqualmie National Forest that were created with federal money allocated for "multi-use" trails. That designation includes motorized use. But these trails are closed to motorcycles now, by edict of the local forest manager. The reason cited? Too many complaints from forest users about motorcycle noise. At least in this area, loud pipes lose rights. _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:00 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: help finding a good pipe I'd like to toss out a few opinions here. Keep in mind that I have a stock exhaust, because I'd rather not be half deaf after a 500+ mile day. I don't think riders who like to hear the sound of a good exhaust should need to feel embarassed that they are doing something wrong. Wherever we go on the street there are loud noises that bother us. What is bothersome depends on the individual, so unless there is absolute quiet in the world, there will always be someone complaining about noise. Personally, I would rather hear the sound of a nice bike exhaust over thumping rap music coming from a rolling speaker. Or an annoying amateur band at a free outdoor concert on the town common. Or screaming kids. Or their mother screaming at them. When I go to work I am bothered by the hard-rock stations other employees listen to. When I walk down the street I hear cars honking, sirens, people yelling profanity. I want to shop in peace, and I have to listen to loud store announcements and the crappy music they play over the store speakers. At home I have to listen to the neighbor's kids screaming at each other while I'm trying to have a quiet cookout. Most of these things will never stop, and would be impossible to stop. They are the sounds of people going about their daily lives, whether I want to hear it or not. Until all of that stops, I'm not going to worry about the sound of my bike's exhaust. When it comes to trail use, there is even less argument for having a quiet bike. We ride out in the wilderness with nobody around to complain. Don't bother trying to use the "poor wild animal" excuse, because I can't count how many times I have stopped on the trail with my old ZRT800 snowmobile (800cc, 2-stroke, aftermarket exhaust which absolutely SCREAMED) running, and watched deer feeding not far from the trail, paying absolutely no attention to me. A couple years ago 2 of us had to wait for 10 minutes for a moose to finally decide to walk off the trail before we could go by. I could tell by how slowly she walked down the trail that she was terrified of my loud exhaust. Jim --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, CB wrote:

> > I have a different take on this. Just my thoughts, not trying to > convert anyone. > > It's interesting to me to see this post here. The "loud pipes save > lives" crowd tends to be more involved with cruisers, generally. > They often claim the loud pipes make them safer. These seem to also > be the same folks that wear a t-shirt, jeans and skid lid for > protection. To me, their claim of being safety focused is worn thin > by their other habits. > > A few observations below: > On Aug 15, 2006, at 9:05 PM, jeepaviation wrote: > > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown > > upon our "riding freedom". > It does. People almost universally dislike loud motorcycles. > > > .. do you really think our little KLR 650 cc is even > > comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes (AKA - any Harley). > > Let me tell you, It's not even close. > > The V-Twins are a problem, so it's okay for us to make it worse? Huh? > > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on makeup, > > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and talking > > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage. > There have been reputable studies done that show this is simply not > true in almost any situation. The pipes don't direct the sound where > you need it -- in front of you. Unless of course you've turned the > pipes around to they point in front of the motorcycle. (in which > case they may work great and probably scare the heck out of a lot of > people.) The exception to this seems to be when you're riding next > to someone and they attempt to come over into your lane. This > situation is easily avoided though just by riding defensively. > > Planning ahead, practicing emergency maneuvers and riding defensively > are much better options for keeping oneself healthy. And, it won't > piss off everyone within a hundred yards. > > LIke I said, just my 2 cents.. > > Ride safe and enjoy. > > Clark >

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[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "jeepaviation" wrote:

> > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown > upon our "riding freedom". Let me tell you, if you are in a large city > the BEST THING you can have is a LOUD RIDE!!!! > > But seriously now...I run a KLR with a Big Gun exhaust. I have to wear > earplugs to keep from hurting my ears. In addition, do you really > think our little KLR 650 cc is even comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with > gutted pipes (AKA - any Harley). Let me tell you, It's not even close. > > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on makeup, > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and talking > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage.I have > avoided being squashed like a bug several times because of my > "excessive noise". I can tell you from experience. If you run a quiet > bike you are less protected.The car drivers don't look for you and > can't hear you. >

Bullshit.

[jeepaviation]

In response to all the replies the best one says concisely Bullshit. It is a good way to start my day at work. I must admit it does not take much to offend several in the group. It always brings a good laugh to hear the response I get from this group when I post. Sounds like many of you need to talk to your forest managers etc... to obtain the result that you want. Popular opinion is what closed the trails...popular opinion can open it again. If you disagree than I think the Commissar has won in your state. Welcome to the USSA Perhaps you should think of moving to Nevada where we still live in a free nation. I would like to listen to your further comments about restricting my rights to an un-necessarily loud pipe...But....wait. I just fired up my KLR and can't hear you.