stolen design, scumbags!!! nklr? (2nd reply)

[yclinkenbeard]

Im about 40 miles away from my 500 mile break-in. Im curious about what documentation or records I should keep to satisfy warranty ? Im going to do the 500 mile services myself. I had considered having the dealer do this, but they want $129.00 So if anybody has any info I would appreciate it Thanks Yclinkenbeard

[karim khaldi]

$129 ? that's cheap. my dealer wanted over $400. he said there is about 4 hours of labor. he also said that they don't charge for the valve shims, as they exchange them. whaa, what a great deal ) I would have agreed to pay if I had been able to go and work together with the mechanic, to learn the bike's specific (kinda training). but the dealer said "no no, we can't do that !". weird insurance policies in this country .. so, i also decided to make it myself. there is not much to do, basically valve adjust, oil change and control cables and torque. i rode 700+ miles before the service. the valves were all in spec, except one exhaust which was 0.08 mm too closed. peanuts. beside sharing that experience, i have the same question : which docu for the warranty ? -k-

On 11/15/05, yclinkenbeard wrote: > > Im about 40 miles away from my 500 mile break-in. Im curious about > what documentation or records I should keep to satisfy warranty ? Im > going to do the 500 mile services myself. I had considered having the > dealer do this, but they want $129.00 So if anybody has any info I > would appreciate > it > > > Thanks Yclinkenbeard > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.comhttp://www.dualsportnews.com> > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.htmlhttp://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html> > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[thumbtrap43]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, karim khaldi wrote:

> > $129 ? > that's cheap. > my dealer wanted over $400. > he said there is about 4 hours of labor.

It was $110 for mine, but you always wonder how much of it they actually do. I bet nothing more than an oil change, chain lube & tension check (if that) - stuff you're supposed to be doing yourself anyway.

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I can't believe that it is possoble to get a competant job adjusting the valves along with the other items listed on the 500 mile check for only $110. I'm sure that IF they actually tear the bike down and pull the valve cover that they will check the clearance and if it is within clearance, just put it back together. By that I mean if the intakes are at .04" and the exhaust is at .06", well, that is in spec, so put the bike back together. Forget about them taking it apart and setting the clearance to the maximum. For what it is worth, I have begun my 500 mile valve check, actually it is at 1189 miles. (oops, I'm a little late). All valves were at the minimum of the spec (fortunately). I am pretty slow, taking time and checking out the bike without damaging it, and I have about 3 hours into it, at this point waiting for new shims to put it back together. I figure I will have 5 hours into it. I suspect a fast person could do it in 1-2 hours, but from what I can see, you have to be really careful not to get dirt in the motor as you do it, as it can get a little tight. I definately do not want some 20 year old monkey at a shop doing the job. Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: thumbtrap43 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:54:32 -0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 500mile break-in

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, karim khaldi wrote: > > $129 ? > that's cheap. > my dealer wanted over $400. > he said there is about 4 hours of labor. It was $110 for mine, but you always wonder how much of it they actually do. I bet nothing more than an oil change, chain lube & tension check (if that) - stuff you're supposed to be doing yourself anyway. Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[April Neave & Norm Keller]

Someone posted:

> I would have agreed to pay if I had been able to go >and work together

with the mechanic, to learn the bike's >specific (kinda training). but the dealer said "no no, we >can't do that !". weird insurance policies in this

>country ..

IMO the citing of insurance requirements as a justification for keeping customers out of the shop is probably not completely accurate. However unless someone can come up with a more plausible excuse to keep them out, insurance will have to do. Seriously, techs who are trying to produce top quality work in reasonable time frames will not find it easy to do so with a customer standing over them asking questions. Most would quit if this were allowed. Just the facts, 'mam. Norm

[karim khaldi]

Norm, I understand what you mean. In fact, I was specifically asking for a "training", and i was ready to pay for it. I do train people as a profession, and I know it requires an extra effort. If I would be a dealer, I would offer such service, maybe with a different price model. The bottomline is that I had to do the 500miles check-up on my own, so the dealer actually lost money on that deal. I bought the manuals and spares from him, and collected advices and tips while discussing with the tech's. It all went very fine, I learned the basic maintenance. regards, -- karim

On 11/16/05, April Neave & Norm Keller wrote: > > Someone posted: > > I would have agreed to pay if I had been able to go >and work together > with the mechanic, to learn the bike's >specific (kinda training). but the > dealer said "no no, we >can't do that !". weird insurance policies in this > >country .. > > > IMO the citing of insurance requirements as a justification for keeping > customers out of the shop is probably not completely accurate. However > unless someone can come up with a more plausible excuse to keep them out, > insurance will have to do. > > Seriously, techs who are trying to produce top quality work in reasonable > time frames will not find it easy to do so with a customer standing over > them asking questions. > Most would quit if this were allowed. > > Just the facts, 'mam. > > Norm > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.comhttp://www.dualsportnews.com> > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.htmlhttp://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html> > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[April Neave & Norm Keller]

VBG = Very Big Grin LOL= Laughing Out Loud I also like "Running for cover". (VBG) Since most techs have no training or experience in training or demonstrating this role requires a philosophical shift which takes most far out of their comfort zone. Many also see educating customers as a threat to their job security since it really does reduce the amount of work coming in to the shop. Another issue is that many techs are quite jaded by the fouled up work which comes in to their shops. IN many cases, customers will royally screw something up and then bring the machine in for the tech to sort out. This is a real "land mine" for the tech because many things may be done which are out of the ordinary but the tech must ray to ensure that all bases are covered because they will be responsible for the quality of the job. The often are faced with having to justify to an irate customer why the cost of the repair greatly exceeds the cost originally quoted before the customer tried to do the job. It stretches credibility to try to convey the kinds of screw-ups I've seen come into shops and since these kinds of jobs are a no win for the tech, they tend not to be very pleased with customers doing their own work in general. To be fair one should look at these issues from both sides. Just my $0.02. Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Conall]

I once had a sheepskin pad but sold it 'cause I didn't want to condone taking the propietary by design sheeps' wool. Conall

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Anyone want to talk about pit bulls? Jennifer maybe? I like using pitt > bull skin for a seat pad better than sheep skin. > > Criswell > On Thursday, November 17, 2005, at 02:44 PM, Glenn wrote: > > > Conall, please don't try to "con all" of us who have read your > > replies. On your page you specifically thank the guy who runs that > > place by saying: > > "I wish to Thank Steve at KLR650.com for the support (tires) I have > > received." > > And following the thanks you have a big banner ad right below it. > > > > Actions speak louder than words my friend, if you truely meant what > > you are saying those banners would be gone, the links would all but > > disappear. No, in truth you support that company and what they are > > doing. > > > > Actions... not excuses. Just for the record, even though you already > > know this, you were banned from my site because you promote that > > company so much. I will not allow any connection to them on my site > > and you were linking people from my site to your site, which has big > > banner ads leading right to them. You are welcome to sign up on my > > website (truely) as long as you don't advertise for them. > > > > If you really want a better way to advertise for them, have them pay > > you 5 or 10 thousand to have their name tattoo'd on you. Though > > you'll be in trouble when they change their business name in 6 months > > to a year. (juuuuust joking) > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Conall" wrote: > >> > >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote: > >>> > >>> KLR650.COM: What is the owners name and business address, and > > what is > >>> your relationship to it? > >> > >> (HI) > >> I sold the domain klr650.com to them. Why that would bother some > >> people I don't know, but I can say that it does. Big deal, I was the > >> first person to get the name and I sold it. I mean there is still > >> klr650.net which Glenn uses. > >> I forget the names of the ownwers as I have no contact with them,I > >> email sales if I have any questions. they are located in Wash. > > state. > >> I get my MEFO Sport Exporer tires from them, and I have created a > >> webpage reviewing the tires. > >> > >> http://www.angelfire.com/co/klr650/rearaxle4.html > >> > >>> > >>> Personally, I don't buy from businesses that don't list an > > address up > >>> front. > >>> > >>> Jim A17 > >> > >> Seriously?You've never bought something on Ebay? Wow you are missing > >> out on some great deals. > >> All depends on your comfort level I guess, but I'm never afraid to > > ask > >> questions before I buy. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Conall > >> http://www.klr650.cc > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >