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[Sandy]

SNIP --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its damn un-American.

SNIP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! On my stars! The dreaded UN-AMERICAN insult! Hmmmph.... Sandy

[Chris]

WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> Holy shit! -- they rip us dorks off equally so .... Ted Nugent is the answer? And charity organization are "rip offs" that somehow cater to PhD politicians? And you seem to infer that war is inevitable and that we should just accept it as part of our economy? Finally, all people who need subsidy for housing are unwilling to work? > > You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its damn un-American.

Most charities are rip-offs, yes. Not PhD politicians, PhD's in general. The sort with degrees that require big government to generate nonsensical programs to issue grant monies so they can make a living. A rather huge proportion of them suck off government programs. This is where the 'liberals' do their stealing. They create programs under the guise of helping people, to line their own pockets with the resulting grant money. I work for a welfare system and see this waste daily. People who should not have jobs heading programs that shouldn't exist for those who won't work. Most people who receive subsidies in the US are unwilling to work, yes. I see them daily while I'm at work. It is a skill within this subculture to learn how to max out the benefit money and stay on the teat of the system. The whole system is corrupt. It should make it as uncomfortable as possible to receive benefits, rather than make it simpler as we do now. People want free housing, fine, put them in literal cement bunker conditions with little more than the bare protection from weather and the bare essentials for hygiene. Don't put them up in nice condos or simply hand out a check to be spent on whatever they chose. People want food, fine, give them peanut butter, bread and oatmeal...all they can eat. Don't coddle them so it's possible to go multiple generations on the system as it is now. It should be as uncomfortable and undignified as possible to be living for free, it would cut down massively on the whole burden. Don't even get me started on mandatory sterilization either...NOBODY should be able to have even a single child if they can't pay for it all themselves. Instead we have entire family trees paid for by us working slobs. We're breeding our own downfall, though it will take a century or so for the real mess to unfold. The 'free money' comes from those who work, at the current rate we are breeding those who won't faster than those who will. It's simple math, eventually there will be more people taking than contributing. As for un-American. This shambles we have now is a mere shadow of the free republic as it was originally intended. This was not ever meant to be a socialist dream society. Capitalism ain't pretty, but it's why we're here, people forget that all too often.

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Please dont forget to mention that this "big Government" has built and maintained the greatest nation on earth to date. Has provided help across the globe, has provided for it's own people the most comfortable living ever, feeds the poor etc. I realize this is all secondary to those nasty wealthy people, but should be mentioned... Most of the people complaining about corporate "greed" simply dont own, or have stake in corporations. Our economy is AMerica. Our economy is to be protected just as our people are, it is how we built this great nation. Nothing evil about that, just reality. Take away the economy, and you leave us open to attack. Are there nations out there who would like to attack us? Um yeah. --- Chris wrote:

> WILLAM GILMORE wrote: > > Holy shit! -- they rip us dorks off equally so > .... Ted Nugent is the answer? And charity > organization are "rip offs" that somehow cater to > PhD politicians? And you seem to infer that war is > inevitable and that we should just accept it as part > of our economy? Finally, all people who need subsidy > for housing are unwilling to work? > > > > You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its > damn un-American. > > Most charities are rip-offs, yes. > > Not PhD politicians, PhD's in general. The sort > with degrees that > require big government to generate nonsensical > programs to issue grant > monies so they can make a living. A rather huge > proportion of them suck > off government programs. This is where the > 'liberals' do their > stealing. They create programs under the guise of > helping people, to > line their own pockets with the resulting grant > money. I work for a > welfare system and see this waste daily. People who > should not have > jobs heading programs that shouldn't exist for those > who won't work. > > Most people who receive subsidies in the US are > unwilling to work, yes. > I see them daily while I'm at work. It is a skill > within this > subculture to learn how to max out the benefit money > and stay on the > teat of the system. The whole system is corrupt. > It should make it as > uncomfortable as possible to receive benefits, > rather than make it > simpler as we do now. > > People want free housing, fine, put them in literal > cement bunker > conditions with little more than the bare protection > from weather and > the bare essentials for hygiene. Don't put them up > in nice condos or > simply hand out a check to be spent on whatever they > chose. People want > food, fine, give them peanut butter, bread and > oatmeal...all they can > eat. Don't coddle them so it's possible to go > multiple generations on > the system as it is now. It should be as > uncomfortable and undignified > as possible to be living for free, it would cut down > massively on the > whole burden. Don't even get me started on > mandatory sterilization > either...NOBODY should be able to have even a single > child if they can't > pay for it all themselves. Instead we have entire > family trees paid for > by us working slobs. We're breeding our own > downfall, though it will > take a century or so for the real mess to unfold. > The 'free money' > comes from those who work, at the current rate we > are breeding those who > won't faster than those who will. It's simple math, > eventually there > will be more people taking than contributing. > > As for un-American. This shambles we have now is a > mere shadow of the > free republic as it was originally intended. This > was not ever meant to > be a socialist dream society. Capitalism ain't > pretty, but it's why > we're here, people forget that all too often. > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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[WILLAM GILMORE]

Glad you got it -- it was meant to be dry humor Sandy wrote:SNIP --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its damn un-American.

SNIP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! On my stars! The dreaded UN-AMERICAN insult! Hmmmph.... Sandy List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Russell Scott]

Chris is a man after my own heart. Socialism is slavery, pure and simple. Your are doomed to a life of dependency and mediocrity. R -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:kingsqueak@...] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:23 AM To: KLR 650 LIST Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Wake-up call on riding safely! WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> Holy shit! -- they rip us dorks off equally so .... Ted Nugent is the

answer? And charity organization are "rip offs" that somehow cater to PhD politicians? And you seem to infer that war is inevitable and that we should just accept it as part of our economy? Finally, all people who need subsidy for housing are unwilling to work?

> > You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its damn un-American.

Most charities are rip-offs, yes. Not PhD politicians, PhD's in general. The sort with degrees that require big government to generate nonsensical programs to issue grant monies so they can make a living. A rather huge proportion of them suck off government programs. This is where the 'liberals' do their stealing. They create programs under the guise of helping people, to line their own pockets with the resulting grant money. I work for a welfare system and see this waste daily. People who should not have jobs heading programs that shouldn't exist for those who won't work. Most people who receive subsidies in the US are unwilling to work, yes. I see them daily while I'm at work. It is a skill within this subculture to learn how to max out the benefit money and stay on the teat of the system. The whole system is corrupt. It should make it as uncomfortable as possible to receive benefits, rather than make it simpler as we do now. People want free housing, fine, put them in literal cement bunker conditions with little more than the bare protection from weather and the bare essentials for hygiene. Don't put them up in nice condos or simply hand out a check to be spent on whatever they chose. People want food, fine, give them peanut butter, bread and oatmeal...all they can eat. Don't coddle them so it's possible to go multiple generations on the system as it is now. It should be as uncomfortable and undignified as possible to be living for free, it would cut down massively on the whole burden. Don't even get me started on mandatory sterilization either...NOBODY should be able to have even a single child if they can't pay for it all themselves. Instead we have entire family trees paid for by us working slobs. We're breeding our own downfall, though it will take a century or so for the real mess to unfold. The 'free money' comes from those who work, at the current rate we are breeding those who won't faster than those who will. It's simple math, eventually there will be more people taking than contributing. As for un-American. This shambles we have now is a mere shadow of the free republic as it was originally intended. This was not ever meant to be a socialist dream society. Capitalism ain't pretty, but it's why we're here, people forget that all too often. List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Funny how the topic of riding safeley can turn into, wellelection year banter I guess. While I too am a staunch conservative, with liberal tendancies, when they fit, and I am dead against paying people who can work to not work, though I personally did ride the unemployment pony for a full year after 32 years on the job (sorry man, I wanted the break. I did wood working in my garage with the dogs and the kids, so put me in prison if you must.) But, at the same time, there any many many Americans who are hurt or disabled, or are raising children who are hurt or disabled, and so on, who need help. How cool is it that we live in a Nation so wealthy, that these people can find help when it is needed. Let us always be there for those in NEED, here and across the globe. We can afford it, but we must cull the herd of the money sucking lazy good for nothing parasite lookin worthless shifty four flushin nasty booger eatin drug lovin boozin' "why the hell should I have to work to survie" sayin, scum suckin people who just dont want to work. You know what, I don't want to work. I want to ride, make love, tie one on, take one off, and fish like theres no tommorow, but my wife is calling me, I have to go kill a spider before I go to work. Spock out.... A-18. The color of blood on asphalt, so ride safe, as is the reason for this thread. --- Russell Scott wrote:

> > Chris is a man after my own heart. Socialism is > slavery, pure and simple. > Your are doomed to a life of dependency and > mediocrity. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:kingsqueak@...] > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:23 AM > To: KLR 650 LIST > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Wake-up call on > riding safely! > > > WILLAM GILMORE wrote: > > Holy shit! -- they rip us dorks off equally so > .... Ted Nugent is the > answer? And charity organization are "rip offs" that > somehow cater to PhD > politicians? And you seem to infer that war is > inevitable and that we should > just accept it as part of our economy? Finally, all > people who need subsidy > for housing are unwilling to work? > > > > You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its > damn un-American. > > Most charities are rip-offs, yes. > > Not PhD politicians, PhD's in general. The sort > with degrees that > require big government to generate nonsensical > programs to issue grant > monies so they can make a living. A rather huge > proportion of them suck > off government programs. This is where the > 'liberals' do their > stealing. They create programs under the guise of > helping people, to > line their own pockets with the resulting grant > money. I work for a > welfare system and see this waste daily. People who > should not have > jobs heading programs that shouldn't exist for those > who won't work. > > Most people who receive subsidies in the US are > unwilling to work, yes. > I see them daily while I'm at work. It is a skill > within this > subculture to learn how to max out the benefit money > and stay on the > teat of the system. The whole system is corrupt. > It should make it as > uncomfortable as possible to receive benefits, > rather than make it > simpler as we do now. > > People want free housing, fine, put them in literal > cement bunker > conditions with little more than the bare protection > from weather and > the bare essentials for hygiene. Don't put them up > in nice condos or > simply hand out a check to be spent on whatever they > chose. People want > food, fine, give them peanut butter, bread and > oatmeal...all they can > eat. Don't coddle them so it's possible to go > multiple generations on > the system as it is now. It should be as > uncomfortable and undignified > as possible to be living for free, it would cut down > massively on the > whole burden. Don't even get me started on > mandatory sterilization > either...NOBODY should be able to have even a single > child if they can't > pay for it all themselves. Instead we have entire > family trees paid for > by us working slobs. We're breeding our own > downfall, though it will > take a century or so for the real mess to unfold. > The 'free money' > comes from those who work, at the current rate we > are breeding those who > won't faster than those who will. It's simple math, > eventually there > will be more people taking than contributing. > > As for un-American. This shambles we have now is a > mere shadow of the > free republic as it was originally intended. This > was not ever meant to > be a socialist dream society. Capitalism ain't > pretty, but it's why > we're here, people forget that all too often. > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

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[WILLAM GILMORE]

Russ -- Just a few things I've learned while teaching a course in American Families at the University of Wisconsin - Madison. 1. The average welfare recipiant stays on the program for just less than 6 months. It's a forced reaction to one of many life's delemna's 2. The average welfare recipiant is forced on subsidies because of a drastic change in a life circumstance -- notably divorce, death in the family, loss of job and major illness. Many recieve foodstamps but also work full time - but in near minimum wage jobs. 3. Given these circumstances the average welfare recipiant is you, your wife, you're sister, your mother etc. Most middle class Americans are only a few paychecks away from poverty. 4. When you assign a recipiant to a "concrete bunker" you are putting their children in one as well. What fault is it of thier's that they popped out of the womb of someone who had to rely on welfare to feed them at one point in their lives. 5. Long termed welfare recipiants ( more than 6 months) aren't dependent upon it because of something they did or didn't do in most cases. Explain this: The majority of children who come from middle class home will not be long-termed welfare recipiants while the majority of females from families living below the poverty are much more likely to be. 6. The real welfare recipiant is you. It's obvious from reading this post your not only not doing your job in the system that employs you -- i.e. pays your mortage, feeds your family, pays for your motorcycle maintenence, but you don't even know who the people are you're being paid to help. Your comments are that of a fraud and a coward for getting paid to help people you feel nothing but contempt for. It is people like you who are the kings of our welfare system and more important, the reason it stays entrenched in a blaming the victim mentality. It is you who our hard earned private sector dollars is being wasted on. 7. People living in Boston who are on welfare don't go to Tanzania to spend what money they're provided it with. They use it to buy milk, bread, cheese and donuts from a local grocery. They pay rent to a local landlord and they either ride public transportation or buy gasoline form someone in the neighborhood. So who's benefitting most from the "system"? Which brings me to the next important point: Russ - If you have a moral and ethical bone in your body you should either quit your job or work to change whatever it is about the system that is not helping put people attain unsubisdized jobs that can provide for a families basic needs. If that's not your goals then you should quite taking our welfare dollars. Russell Scott wrote: Chris is a man after my own heart. Socialism is slavery, pure and simple. Your are doomed to a life of dependency and mediocrity. R -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:kingsqueak@...] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:23 AM To: KLR 650 LIST Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Wake-up call on riding safely! WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> Holy shit! -- they rip us dorks off equally so .... Ted Nugent is the

answer? And charity organization are "rip offs" that somehow cater to PhD politicians? And you seem to infer that war is inevitable and that we should just accept it as part of our economy? Finally, all people who need subsidy for housing are unwilling to work?

> > You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its damn un-American.

Most charities are rip-offs, yes. Not PhD politicians, PhD's in general. The sort with degrees that require big government to generate nonsensical programs to issue grant monies so they can make a living. A rather huge proportion of them suck off government programs. This is where the 'liberals' do their stealing. They create programs under the guise of helping people, to line their own pockets with the resulting grant money. I work for a welfare system and see this waste daily. People who should not have jobs heading programs that shouldn't exist for those who won't work. Most people who receive subsidies in the US are unwilling to work, yes. I see them daily while I'm at work. It is a skill within this subculture to learn how to max out the benefit money and stay on the teat of the system. The whole system is corrupt. It should make it as uncomfortable as possible to receive benefits, rather than make it simpler as we do now. People want free housing, fine, put them in literal cement bunker conditions with little more than the bare protection from weather and the bare essentials for hygiene. Don't put them up in nice condos or simply hand out a check to be spent on whatever they chose. People want food, fine, give them peanut butter, bread and oatmeal...all they can eat. Don't coddle them so it's possible to go multiple generations on the system as it is now. It should be as uncomfortable and undignified as possible to be living for free, it would cut down massively on the whole burden. Don't even get me started on mandatory sterilization either...NOBODY should be able to have even a single child if they can't pay for it all themselves. Instead we have entire family trees paid for by us working slobs. We're breeding our own downfall, though it will take a century or so for the real mess to unfold. The 'free money' comes from those who work, at the current rate we are breeding those who won't faster than those who will. It's simple math, eventually there will be more people taking than contributing. As for un-American. This shambles we have now is a mere shadow of the free republic as it was originally intended. This was not ever meant to be a socialist dream society. Capitalism ain't pretty, but it's why we're here, people forget that all too often. List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Russell Scott]

The University of Wisconsin in Madison. No need to argue or explain. Ground zero for liberal theology in America. I feel for you Will. Black holes are hard to escape from. R -----Original Message----- From: WILLAM GILMORE [mailto:willgilmore@...] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:44 AM To: Russell Scott; KListeRs Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Wake-up call on riding safely! Russ -- Just a few things I've learned while teaching a course in American Families at the University of Wisconsin - Madison. 1. The average welfare recipiant stays on the program for just less than 6 months. It's a forced reaction to one of many life's delemna's 2. The average welfare recipiant is forced on subsidies because of a drastic change in a life circumstance -- notably divorce, death in the family, loss of job and major illness. Many recieve foodstamps but also work full time - but in near minimum wage jobs. 3. Given these circumstances the average welfare recipiant is you, your wife, you're sister, your mother etc. Most middle class Americans are only a few paychecks away from poverty. 4. When you assign a recipiant to a "concrete bunker" you are putting their children in one as well. What fault is it of thier's that they popped out of the womb of someone who had to rely on welfare to feed them at one point in their lives. 5. Long termed welfare recipiants ( more than 6 months) aren't dependent upon it because of something they did or didn't do in most cases. Explain this: The majority of children who come from middle class home will not be long-termed welfare recipiants while the majority of females from families living below the poverty are much more likely to be. 6. The real welfare recipiant is you. It's obvious from reading this post your not only not doing your job in the system that employs you -- i.e. pays your mortage, feeds your family, pays for your motorcycle maintenence, but you don't even know who the people are you're being paid to help. Your comments are that of a fraud and a coward for getting paid to help people you feel nothing but contempt for. It is people like you who are the kings of our welfare system and more important, the reason it stays entrenched in a blaming the victim mentality. It is you who our hard earned private sector dollars is being wasted on. 7. People living in Boston who are on welfare don't go to Tanzania to spend what money they're provided it with. They use it to buy milk, bread, cheese and donuts from a local grocery. They pay rent to a local landlord and they either ride public transportation or buy gasoline form someone in the neighborhood. So who's benefitting most from the "system"? Which brings me to the next important point: Russ - If you have a moral and ethical bone in your body you should either quit your job or work to change whatever it is about the system that is not helping put people attain unsubisdized jobs that can provide for a families basic needs. If that's not your goals then you should quite taking our welfare dollars. Russell Scott wrote: Chris is a man after my own heart. Socialism is slavery, pure and simple. Your are doomed to a life of dependency and mediocrity. R -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:kingsqueak@...] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:23 AM To: KLR 650 LIST Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Wake-up call on riding safely! WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> Holy shit! -- they rip us dorks off equally so .... Ted Nugent is the

answer? And charity organization are "rip offs" that somehow cater to PhD politicians? And you seem to infer that war is inevitable and that we should just accept it as part of our economy? Finally, all people who need subsidy for housing are unwilling to work?

> > You're thinking is not only wrong headed -- its damn un-American.

Most charities are rip-offs, yes. Not PhD politicians, PhD's in general. The sort with degrees that require big government to generate nonsensical programs to issue grant monies so they can make a living. A rather huge proportion of them suck off government programs. This is where the 'liberals' do their stealing. They create programs under the guise of helping people, to line their own pockets with the resulting grant money. I work for a welfare system and see this waste daily. People who should not have jobs heading programs that shouldn't exist for those who won't work. Most people who receive subsidies in the US are unwilling to work, yes. I see them daily while I'm at work. It is a skill within this subculture to learn how to max out the benefit money and stay on the teat of the system. The whole system is corrupt. It should make it as uncomfortable as possible to receive benefits, rather than make it simpler as we do now. People want free housing, fine, put them in literal cement bunker conditions with little more than the bare protection from weather and the bare essentials for hygiene. Don't put them up in nice condos or simply hand out a check to be spent on whatever they chose. People want food, fine, give them peanut butter, bread and oatmeal...all they can eat. Don't coddle them so it's possible to go multiple generations on the system as it is now. It should be as uncomfortable and undignified as possible to be living for free, it would cut down massively on the whole burden. Don't even get me started on mandatory sterilization either...NOBODY should be able to have even a single child if they can't pay for it all themselves. Instead we have entire family trees paid for by us working slobs. We're breeding our own downfall, though it will take a century or so for the real mess to unfold. The 'free money' comes from those who work, at the current rate we are breeding those who won't faster than those who will. It's simple math, eventually there will be more people taking than contributing. As for un-American. This shambles we have now is a mere shadow of the free republic as it was originally intended. This was not ever meant to be a socialist dream society. Capitalism ain't pretty, but it's why we're here, people forget that all too often. List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-09-19 11:08:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lasvegasrider@... writes:

> > Hey John. The coming weekend will be warmer, per the net weather resources. > > If not, I could care less: It is going to be a great ride and a clean and > clear camping event. > > I look forward to joining you at the ESR. > >

If there is any chance of anything but typical late summer weather I'll let people know. The local Reno stations all treat US 395 north as part of their local viewing audience so every morning and evening I get their weather forecast on my local news. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]