Re: learning how to use CADintosh-Page Setup

[Michael Eifert]

I'm having trouble with some basics, scale to begin with. I'm used to
drawing by hand with an architects scale. If I want my drawing to be
printed at the scale of 1 inch = 1 foot, what should I set the
CADintosh drawing scale to (below the entry line), and the unit of the
complete drawing from the Options-Drawing menu?

I'm also unclear on how to select the area for printing. It seems
choosing between "Select print area with page" and "Select print area
with window" gives me 2 different sized prints.

I've done the introduction and read through the Users Guide, but have
not found answers to my difficulties. I don't have a great familiarity
with computer drafting programs so perhaps my questions may seem naive.
Please let me know if this is inappropriate for this form.

Thanks, Michael

[RowlandCarson]

At 2004-10-25 07:10 -0400 Michael Eifert wrote:

>If I want my drawing to be
>printed at the scale of 1 inch = 1 foot, what should I set the
>CADintosh drawing scale to (below the entry line), and the unit of the
>complete drawing from the Options-Drawing menu?

Michael - I'm sorry, I can't help with this part of the question as
all my drawings so far have been 1:1. I hadn't noticed that there
were so many ways to affect the scale. (I assume that the "scale" box
in the dialog that appears when creating a new drawing, or from the
Edit/Drawing Data... menu, is just for documentation and does not
affect the drawing directly.) Perhaps the answer is to experiment
with a few small drawings until you get the effect you desire - that
has been my own (sometimes time-consuming) approach. Some of the
"imperial" scale choices look a bit confusing; but if you choose
"user define" at the bottom of the pop-up menu and enter 0.0833333
there, I guess that should give the effect you want (scale 1:12).

> I'm also unclear on how to select the area for printing. It seems
>choosing between "Select print area with page" and "Select print area
>with window" gives me 2 different sized prints.

Another way to get different sized prints is to check/uncheck the
"full size" box on the initial print dialogue window. To my mind, the
logic of this appears reversed, but this may be only my perception.
If the box is checked, the drawing (or chosen window) is shrunk (or
maybe enlarged? - I haven't tried a drawing much smaller than the
paper) to fit the paper. If the box is unchecked, then the drawing is
printed what I would call "full size" (with 100mm = 100mm in my 1:1
drawings) over as many sheets as needed.

>I don't have a great familiarity
>with computer drafting programs so perhaps my questions may seem naive.
>Please let me know if this is inappropriate for this form.

I hope this is one of the useful ways this (relatively-new) forum can
be utilised. I certainly found it quite difficult to get accustomed
to the way things are done in CADintosh (compared with MacDraw &
ClarisDraw, say) and would have welcomed a place to discuss my
stumbling progress. I am much more comfortable with it now, but, like
you I am not trained in the CAD approach, so I tend to stick to the
things I've found that work well for me. There may be lots of things
in CADintosh that would make life easier for all us novices, if only
we could work out how to use them!

I'm NOT volunteering, but maybe what we need is the CADintosh
equivalent of the how-to-do-it manual for Thorsten's other big
application, GraphicConverter, produced by Hagen Henke and his team
of translators. And speaking of translation, while the user community
uses English on this forum, it is not the first language of Thorsten
or many of the users. So, we need to be patient and careful if
ambiguities or misunderstandings arise because of language
differences (especially between England and USA! ).

regards

Rowland
--

| Wilma & Rowland Carson
| ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...

[Michael Eifert]

Thanks Rowland for the suggestions. I'll keep trying the trial and
error process for resolving the scale problem. I'd love to use metric
measurements, but, in my line of work, cabinetry, even here in Canada,
most people use inches. Another goal, which I'm hoping will be
resolved along with my scaling problem is to display dimensions in
fractions.

A how-to manual would be very welcome. The users guide is handy and
adequate for most of the tool descriptions and uses, but I found it to
be lacking when is comes to areas like scale and dimensions for
example. I guess that it's problem area for me, which I'm sure I can
overcome. It would just be so much less frustrating if it was laid out
for me in simple terms. However, I'll keep at it!

I'll be back, I'm sure, with more questions later...

[Stan]

--Michael, click on options on the menu bar,click on drawing and you
will see a collection of up and down arrows, play around with them and
all will be revealed.

Best of luck,

Stan.

cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com, Michael Eifert wrote:

>
> Thanks Rowland for the suggestions. I'll keep trying the trial and
> error process for resolving the scale problem. I'd love to use

metric

> measurements, but, in my line of work, cabinetry, even here in

Canada,

> most people use inches. Another goal, which I'm hoping will be
> resolved along with my scaling problem is to display dimensions in
> fractions.
>
> A how-to manual would be very welcome. The users guide is handy

and

> adequate for most of the tool descriptions and uses, but I found

it to

> be lacking when is comes to areas like scale and dimensions for
> example. I guess that it's problem area for me, which I'm sure I

can

> overcome. It would just be so much less frustrating if it was laid

out

> for me in simple terms. However, I'll keep at it!
>
> I'll be back, I'm sure, with more questions later...

[RowlandCarson]

At 2004-10-27 06:03 +0000 Stan wrote:

>click on options on the menu bar,click on drawing and you
>will see a collection of up and down arrows, play around with them and
>all will be revealed.

I have always used metric measurements in my drawings so far.
However, I just tried to create an imperial drawing and find what
appears to be a bug. On the "unit of the complete drawing" pop-up
menu I chose "foot" and then from the "scale of layer 1023" pop-up I
chose 1" (expecting that would give me an inch-to-the foot drawing
like Michael wanted), but find that the number appearing in the menu
after choosing that (or any other of the imperial options) is always
0.000; changing to any of the "decimal" scales displays the number as
expected. CADintosh X V5.2b0, OS X 10.2.8.

I tried drawing a few lines and, like Michael, am now totally
confused about how the "imperial" scales are supposed to work. Well,
at least the ones from 1/16" to 2". The ones from 3"=1' to 1"=50'
seem to have straightforward interpretation, but why does 1"=100'
appear between 3"=1' and 1"=10', instead of at the bottom, below
1"=50'?

To answer Michael's original question, it looks like choosing the
"units of drawing" as "foot" and setting a user-defined scale of
0.08333333333333 (lots of 3's are important) will give the desired
effect of a 1:12 scale, as that's what appears in the box at the
bottom of the drawing.

Hope this helps.

regards

Rowland
--

| Wilma & Rowland Carson
| ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...

[Stan]

--- In cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com, Rowland Carson
wrote:

> At 2004-10-27 06:03 +0000 Stan wrote:
>
> >click on options on the menu bar,click on drawing and you
> >will see a collection of up and down arrows, play around with them

and>all will be revealed.

Sorry Michael I only gave you half the story. In addition to the
above, drop down and click on the "Dimension" sub menu, click on the
Creation tab and under Decimal/Fraction, change the "Type box" from
decimal to fraction.Set the appropriate order of precision in the
"Precision Box". You will have to go through this rigmarole each time
you open a new drawing, unless you prepare and save a set of standard
template sheets. I would be happy to describe my method if anyone is
interested.

>
> I have always used metric measurements in my drawings so far.
> However, I just tried to create an imperial drawing and find what
> appears to be a bug. On the "unit of the complete drawing" pop-up
> menu I chose "foot" and then from the "scale of layer 1023" pop-up

I

> chose 1" (expecting that would give me an inch-to-the foot drawing
> like Michael wanted), but find that the number appearing in the

menu

> after choosing that (or any other of the imperial options) is

always

> 0.000; changing to any of the "decimal" scales displays the number

as

> expected. CADintosh X V5.2b0, OS X 10.2.8.
>
> I tried drawing a few lines and, like Michael, am now totally
> confused about how the "imperial" scales are supposed to work.

Well,

> at least the ones from 1/16" to 2". The ones from 3"=1' to 1"=50'
> seem to have straightforward interpretation, but why does 1"=100'
> appear between 3"=1' and 1"=10', instead of at the bottom, below
> 1"=50'?
>
> To answer Michael's original question, it looks like choosing the
> "units of drawing" as "foot" and setting a user-defined scale of
> 0.08333333333333 (lots of 3's are important) will give the desired
> effect of a 1:12 scale, as that's what appears in the box at the
> bottom of the drawing.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
> | Wilma & Rowland Carson
> | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...

Rowland, I think you are right, the scale function seems to have "Gone
Feral" I printed a selection of two inch lines, drawn to various
scales, which bore no resemblance to the scales selected.No doubt
Thorsten will have something to say about this.
CADintosh X V5.2 OS X 10.2.8

Regards,

Stan

[Chuck Rice]

Please do, because I am totally confused by the CADintosh interface.
I want to use it to create gcode files to sent to the CNC controller
called EMC to run a Sherline Mill




Because CADintosh will output DXF files, I can, through a cumbersome
process, do the conversion. I have tested that with simple drawings.
But as my drawing start to to be more than a simple box, I get lost
using CADintosh. Help would be great! -Chuck-





At 10:10 AM +0000 10/28/04, Stan wrote:

>--- In cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com, Rowland Carson
>wrote:
>> At 2004-10-27 06:03 +0000 Stan wrote:
>>
>> >click on options on the menu bar,click on drawing and you
>> >will see a collection of up and down arrows, play around with them
>and>all will be revealed.
>
> Sorry Michael I only gave you half the story. In addition to the
>above, drop down and click on the "Dimension" sub menu, click on the
>Creation tab and under Decimal/Fraction, change the "Type box" from
>decimal to fraction.Set the appropriate order of precision in the
>"Precision Box". You will have to go through this rigmarole each time
>you open a new drawing, unless you prepare and save a set of standard
>template sheets. I would be happy to describe my method if anyone is
>interested.
>
>
>>
>> I have always used metric measurements in my drawings so far.
>> However, I just tried to create an imperial drawing and find what
>> appears to be a bug. On the "unit of the complete drawing" pop-up
>> menu I chose "foot" and then from the "scale of layer 1023" pop-up
>I
>> chose 1" (expecting that would give me an inch-to-the foot drawing
>> like Michael wanted), but find that the number appearing in the
>menu
>> after choosing that (or any other of the imperial options) is
>always
>> 0.000; changing to any of the "decimal" scales displays the number
>as
>> expected. CADintosh X V5.2b0, OS X 10.2.8.
>>
>> I tried drawing a few lines and, like Michael, am now totally
>> confused about how the "imperial" scales are supposed to work.
>Well,
>> at least the ones from 1/16" to 2". The ones from 3"=1' to 1"=50'
>> seem to have straightforward interpretation, but why does 1"=100'
>> appear between 3"=1' and 1"=10', instead of at the bottom, below
>> 1"=50'?
>>
>> To answer Michael's original question, it looks like choosing the
>> "units of drawing" as "foot" and setting a user-defined scale of
>> 0.08333333333333 (lots of 3's are important) will give the desired
>> effect of a 1:12 scale, as that's what appears in the box at the
>> bottom of the drawing.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Rowland
>> --
>>
>> | Wilma & Rowland Carson
>> | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
>
>Rowland, I think you are right, the scale function seems to have "Gone
>Feral" I printed a selection of two inch lines, drawn to various
>scales, which bore no resemblance to the scales selected.No doubt
>Thorsten will have something to say about this.
> CADintosh X V5.2 OS X 10.2.8
>
>Regards,
>
>Stan
>
>
>
>
>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

[Stan]

Chuck,

I am about to depart for my spring break (Retirment is exhausting )Will post setup details on my return in approximately two weeks.

regards,

Stan.

--- In cadintoshmac@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Rice wrote:
>
> Please do, because I am totally confused by the CADintosh
interface.
> I want to use it to create gcode files to sent to the CNC
controller
> called EMC to run a Sherline Mill
>
>
>
>
> Because CADintosh will output DXF files, I can, through a
cumbersome
> process, do the conversion. I have tested that with simple
drawings.
> But as my drawing start to to be more than a simple box, I get lost
> using CADintosh. Help would be great! -Chuck-
>
>
>
>
>
>